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		<title>Public Address | Cafe | Polity: Protesting too much: responses to Labour&#039;s new tertiary policy</title>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/243325 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> I'll just leave this on your desk, I have so much to carry....</a><br />Oh, yeah, so Labour is just going to throw money away, eh?<br /><q>Thursday, 11 February, 2016 &ndash; 12:16<br />The Ministry of Education forked out a whopping $100,000 a day on consultants and contractors last year…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2016 14:40:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> It’s telling kids, often with no training or background in handling money, that it’s perfectly acceptable to make yourself financially insolvent whilst also having no guarantee of eventually being able to pay back the loan.</p><p>It’s a dreadful example to set.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76574076/trading-places-running-nz-like-an-investment-fund" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This informative article</a> that Ian linked  to at TPP…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:47:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<q>And we’re now seeing the children of parents who are still paying off their student loans after twenty years entering the tertiary system. They will graduate with debt, they won’t receive the help that their parents would like to give – both while they study, and when they look ahead…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2016 23:23:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						I'm not sure what everyone else was doing right, but I never got enough of a lump sum via NZ student loans to go to Japan or anywhere else. I basically got enough for fees and incidental expenses and that was it. I still have a bit of a debt…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:40:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>party political broadcasts</q><br /><q>Anything well-argued and authentic, basically.</q></p><p>Well, I for one am glad there is a chance to communicate directly with the likes of Rob and as RB says, anything well argued and authentic. Being constantly fed press releases is not my idea of being informed. That only serves…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:05:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>For example, one of my mates boasted that his student loan funded about $3000 worth of CDs. Others bought cars, overseas holidays, drumkits, and so on.</q></p><p>I sat across the table from Lockwood in 1995 as he fetched postcards from his desk from students who were skiing in Japan and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:49:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Or perhaps a better way of saying it is: If we truly want to see the end of the Me Me Me philosophy, we have to start with ourselves.</q></p><p>It's unfortunate that sometimes, only a major crisis like a bubble burst has to remind certain people of it. There'll always…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 12:31:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						<p><q>Or perhaps a better way of saying it is: If we truly want to see the end of the Me Me Me philosophy, we have to start with ourselves.</q></p><p>Thanks Ben. That's a really succinct, and good, way of looking at it.</p><p>BTW feeling less bitter this morning. Joy for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:35:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Yes, it's not over now. But could it be the beginning of the end? Or at least the end of the beginning?</p><p>Anyway, my sentiment is that we don't beat neoliberalism by buying into it, and I'm sure as hell not going to allow it to beat me down into…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:20:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah, but we can wear that as our war scars. A shitload worse has happened to other generations and goes down (if they survived it) as their genuine contribution to a better world.</p><p>We survived neoliberalism so our children wouldn’t have to.</q></p><p>I'm not sure about that. They're looking it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:53:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<q>I appreciate PA has a political leaning and I’m not going to presume to tell Russell and others what to do, but I was also feeling a few similar concerns before Richard brought them up. Having occasional guest posts from an insider is interesting, but routinely letting the Labour Party…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:52:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Or perhaps a better way of saying it is: If we truly want to see the end of the Me Me Me philosophy, we have to start with ourselves. </p><p>Also, even with our war scars, I think young people are looking at a much harder time than we are economically.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:29:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>My generation was screwed. Bent over a barrel of user pays philosophy while my parent’s generation benefited from lower taxes and invested them in tax free capital gains on rental property.</q></p><p>Yeah, but we can wear that as our war scars. A shitload worse has happened to other generations and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:27:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Re: The Raw Deal Generation. As a founding member myself (1990 was my first tertiary year) I get the bitterness, but I choose to direct it only towards those actually responsible, rather than downwards to my own children. I will never find it in myself to vote for Goff as…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:25:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<q>However, with my (admittedly fortunate) backstory please allow me and my generation some bitterness for being caught at a time when tertiary education wasn’t free and, by the time we got our loans done and dusted, house prices started spiralling out of control. We didn’t have the “job for life”…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:19:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I was interested in what he had to say.</q></p><p>Ditto to that. Rob's kicked off some very interesting stuff here. I would love to see him under his own masthead. The fact that this is NOT a partisan Labour website makes that all the better, because he gets robust disagreement…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:00:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>One of the many problems with user-pays education is that it quickly removed the “public good” perception among students themselves:<br />“I paid (and am still paying) for this, therefore it is mine.”<br />That’s an attitudinal change that will take generations to reverse.</q></p><p>Very much so. I'm currently doing post-grad and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:56:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>that sounds a little like</q></p><p>which is exactly how Farrar and the media outlets who host him describe the relationship. Conveniently leaves out the weekly in-person briefings with the PM and their daily phonecalls during the campaign period.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 07:47:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>    I also get the impression that you’d welcome content from others, if their writing was constructive, insightful, and not nakedly partisan.</p><p>Anything well-argued and authentic, basically.</q></p><p>Hell, you've even had me in the Speaker slot! Twice, IIRC</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:24:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Huh? How does it make it "wrong"? I'm not sure you're getting the part about this being, y'know, my website.</q></p><p>Absolutely. It's that ol' debbil "entitlement" again</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:23:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Rob does data and strategic work. His main client is the Labour Party. </q></p><p>To be fair, that sounds a little like <em> "David Farrar does polling work. His main client is the National Party" </em></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:22:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Here's a sad story...<br /><q>Four former beneficiaries have had their self-esteem boosted after being helped into work.<br />All four were on unemployment benefits and now work as millhands...<br />...<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&amp;objectid=11195892 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Single-father Stephen Longshaw, 42,</a> said he had been "between jobs" and had been on a benefit for about five years. "I…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 19:03:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I have confidence in the Greens to keep coming up with good policy faster than Labour can ever implement it. Good partnership prospects there.</q></p><p>HA! I see what you did there...</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I have confidence in the Greens to keep coming up with good policy faster than Labour can ever implement it. Good partnership prospects there.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>your generation could see this as a way forward for your kids</q></p><p>every generation needs its own hard luck story to impress young people with. :)</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Most blogs are just pissing into the wind unless they have access to the best possible money and connections to amplify their views. </q></p><p>Doesn't always work. Why would any rational advertiser buy space on Snout rather than here?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>A little history<br /><a href="http://www.critic.co.nz/features/article/1925/the-birth-of-student-loans " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> The birth of student loans…</a></p><p><q>In 1989, the Labour Government introduced university tuition fees for all students. At this stage, the average annual fee was only $129. In 1990, students suffered a steep (mountain-goat steep) 969% increase in their fees, which were bumped up to…</q></p>
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						Oh, I can see that it's a policy that is good for future generations and that, yes, interest rates were higher in the past. I'm not saying that my grumpiness has great justification. But I am saying that it is there and that Labour will need to deal with the…
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p>Someone stealing Labour's policy? Ha! Try hanging out with some Greenies for a while. </p><p>Still, I guess it makes a nice change from  Labour's appropriation of the right wing agenda over the last few decades.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>please allow me and my generation some bitterness for being caught at a time when tertiary education wasn’t free </q></p><p>Can we maybe remember your generation could see this as a way forward for your kids and hopefully your grandchildren. Or at least the mortgage rates aren't the 24% my olds…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>it definitely it feels like a shift.</q><br />...at this point in time NZ (and at a micro level PAS) needs a shift from the normal paradigm &ndash; this has been not working for some time &ndash; time to do things differently before we run out of it....</p>
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						You're right and I don't expect a refund. Perhaps it could be that we could still get three years free so if I wanted to extend my education then I'd get that benefit.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Even though I'm unlikely to benefit from the First Three Years policy, I still look forward to the boosting of apprenticeships. In any case, I don't want NZ to devolve into an Idiocracy in the long run. Still, when education is reduced from a public good to a perishable good,…
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				<title>Zach Bagnall</title>
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						You've reason to feel bitter, but no government will ever  issue a refund of the fees  you or I paid.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:09:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						I'm not always so bitter. Most mornings are rainbows and lollipops.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:01:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe I’m just feeling tired and bitter this morning……</q><br />I thought it was just part of being forty(something).</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Attracting an intelligent and diverse audience is much harder. Witness the number of dead-end blogs which litter the net, languishing down dark alleys with little foot traffic and no real relevance.</q></p><p>Hell yes. Most blogs are just pissing into the wind unless they have access to the best  possible money…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						My first year at Uni was the first year that course costs were higher than the cost of books (1990). I managed to get through three years without developing a huge debt, partly from working many hours at McDonalds, partly from living rent-free and fed at home with mum, and…
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>Anyone who’s read Public Address for a while appreciates that it’s a low-noise, robust discussion area with some damn fine contributors.</q></p><p>Yes.  I really enjoy Public Address for this reason, despite not being so frequent a contributor as some others here.</p><p>I appreciate PA has a political leaning and I'm…</p>
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						<p>I'd like to address the issue raised by Christopher and commented on by others; the issue of "my generation" being the one that has to pay for higher education, becoming the meat in the free education sandwich.</p><p>I was fortunate enough to receive a student allowance in my first year…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I also get the impression that you’d welcome content from others, if their writing was constructive, insightful, and not nakedly partisan.</q></p><p>Anything well-argued and authentic, basically.</p>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p><q>Go away, you fool.</q></p><p>Nice manners there. I was merely voicing my opinion and being polite... obviously a bit of debate is a bit much for you.</p>
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				<title>Megan Lloyd-Evans</title>
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						Sounds like we were at Uni at the same time. I wouldn't wish that on my children, though and am hoping something like this will come along before they finish school.
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>It’s not hard to set up a blog, right?</q></p><p>Right! It's a piece of piss these days Richard. All you need is a domain, a hosting account and enough nous to press the "create blog" button using your preferred platform. </p><p>That's the easy bit.</p><p>Attracting an intelligent and diverse audience…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>I also get the impression that you'd welcome content from others, if their writing was constructive, insightful, and not nakedly partisan. </p><p>I really enjoy hearing Rob's thoughts, even though he's on a different 'team' and has different objectives.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Yippie kai eh?</strong><br /><q> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Abbie Hoffman</a></q><br />Abbott Howard Hoffman &ndash; sounds like a frankensteined Aussie politician (and they've already had to put up with Abbott and Costello...)</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Because Russell has long supported that party.</q></p><p>It's not even that, really. It's interesting having access to an insider view. And, whether people agree with Rob or not, he generally provides plenty for people to chew over, as is evidenced by the rest of the discussion here.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Regardless of the merits of whatever Rob says here, he works for Labour. Not exactly non-partisan analysis, is it? If this is a Labour blog, it should be branded as such, or he should blog elsewhere.</q></p><p>Rob does data and strategic work. His main client is the Labour Party. He…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>the sunlight soapbox?</strong><br /><q>I'm aware we all know who he is and what he does... doesn't make giving the guy this space any more right.</q><br />You are sounding a bit narked....<br />Wait and see how it is branded, when we see the new masthead the as yet unknown title* may…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						That would be met by an equally obvious bastard corporate workaround: increasing the number of part-timers so that no ordinary worker would ever meet the criterion. Some sort of bulk equivalence would be needed to get around that: funding x hours of training for every y hours of employee labour…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>So let me see if I have got this: You are having a whinge because somehow, and despite the fact our media is dominated by the voices of reactionary apologists, having a Labour voice is a bridge to far? </p><p>You remind me of the UK Labour Blairites, who managed to…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Why does PA publish a column from a Labour Party spin doctor</q></p><p>Because Russell has long supported that party.</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>you raise a good point about the self-employed, particularly because the values of the modern corporate governance model is effectively a sociopathic renunciation of the social contract in any form, so any levy is likely to be met with increasing the number of "contractors" who are "self employed". </p><p>What if…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>One of the many problems with user-pays education is that it quickly removed the “public good” perception among students themselves: <br />“I paid (and am still paying) for this, therefore it is mine.”<br />That’s an attitudinal change that will take generations to reverse.</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Another part of this policy will have to be addressing the governance changes that the National Government has made to tertiary institutions. Councils have been shrunk, student and staff representation dropped and government appointed (eg conservative white men) members increased. As well, there are the barriers to study for older…
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				<title>linger</title>
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						I’d agree that there does need to be some mechanism in NZ for industry to fund R&D, and HR to fund staff development, to a much larger extent than at present (I see these as parallel problems, whose solutions should be very similar in structure; you could call the combination Work…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						My take on this is the big winners will be polytechs. They already offer exactly the sort of certificate/diploma/degree mix that a lot of adult workers who wish to retrain might be interested in. The big issue is the three year max thing. Personally, I would like to see something…
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						It's been theorised that government budget deficits were just the pretext to massively hike university fees around the world. And that the real reason was because universities were producing the likes of Jane Kelsey, Abbie Hoffman, and other "New Left subversives getting all the wrong ideas from the Frankfurt School…
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>@Russell: People qualify so long as they've had *no* previous post-school education.</q></p><p>StudyRight? I've heard it somewhere before I think?</p><p>NZ's tertiary framework is in need of some significant reconsideration; the oscillation from unregulated fees to regulated fees, the sliding around on funding for private vs public providers and the…</p>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p>No, I saw that bit &ndash; but that doesn't change the fact he's a Labour guy, blogging on an (apparently) non-Labour website. Even branding it with a big red Labour sign on top would still be weird... I was being generous to suggest it should be branded that way.</p><p>Kiwiblog…</p>
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				<title>Jim Cathcart</title>
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						I wonder how well Labour understands how education is changing, particularly within the online space with platforms such as Couresa and Edx. Particularly for continuing education, these platforms are growing in scope, quality content, and endorsement. The idea of returning to university-based education when most people are scratching from month…
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						<p>As things stand, sure these threads in Speaker are partisan: <br />as much so as our current Speaker, so you can’t say the title isn’t apt.</p><p>But clearly you missed the notice that Rob will be getting his own masthead here (presumably with an overt declaration of interest). </p><p>And, you know,…</p>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p>Why does PA publish a column from a Labour Party spin doctor (as Rob was referred to by Bryce Edwards on his usually quite good political round-up)?</p><p>Regardless of the merits of whatever Rob says here, he works for Labour. Not exactly non-partisan analysis, is it? If this is a…</p>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						<p>"And David Farrar intoned darkly about opportunity costs, as if doing something about access to post-school education necessarily rules out doing something for pre-school kids."</p><p>Given we already have student loans that in practice function as a progressive tax on graduates there is no increase in access resulting from this…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p>The tricky thing is how to address it. You could refund the fees component of any outstanding loan &ndash; but then some of those of who paid off their loans early will (quite rightly) feel hard done by.<br />The fact is that sometimes a generation misses out on something because…</p>
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				<title>oga</title>
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						How many MPs in the Labour party themselves received an education before user-pays kicked in? I for one would be content to pay higher taxes for a return to free education and health-care like my parents enjoyed before participating in the user-pays experiment.
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p>Wasn't. Just seriously annoyed that those that enjoyed free tertiary education (Little and Co) think it's ok to offer free tertiary education to cohorts younger than me, *without* addressing the fact that my cohort had to pay for ours, severely constraining our ability to buy homes or get established. </p><p>Any…</p>
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				<title>Bruce Ward</title>
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						<p><q> I wouldn’t begrudge the next generation from receiving assistance that I didn’t.</q></p><p>I fear there will be many who won't be so generous. After all I think the last 30+ years has taught a lot of people that it is OK to think only of themselves.</p>
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				<title>Zach Bagnall</title>
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						<p>I paid 7% while studying and after. But the early 21st century is pretty rough on those starting out so I wouldn't begrudge the next generation from receiving assistance that I didn't.</p><p><q>The outcome could very likely be that future New Zealand Governments end up offering subsequent generations fee free…</q></p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><q>Labour’s ability to deliver a bold social programme relies on broad public acceptance of Labour’s credibility on the economy, on personal security, and so on.</q></p><p>'Personal security'? Sounds like it'll be a fun day on twitter when that policy comes out.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2016 16:56:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t think that’s an argument not to improve things. That’s not how our forebears thought when they established the welfare state.</q></p><p>Certainly, and obviously it’s a minefield of opinion, I’d prefer to await Christopher’s response before questioning his sincerity as his comment is not in isolation from what I’ve…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						I rather hope Christopher was trying for the sarcastic irony thing.
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						Speaking as someone whose cohort drew a few short straws (I now have The Beaten Generation running through my head), I don't think that's an argument not to improve things. That's not how our forebears thought when they established the welfare state.
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						<p><q>Why should MY generation be shafted?</q></p><p>It’s a longstanding and worthy question. If any party had been campaigning something similar when we were studying we’d most likely have been all for it. I’m torn to say the least because who could reasonably wish these borrowed educations on future generations. </p><p>The…</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						I'm not saying it should be gruelling.  I think no fees is a lot better than the current system, and good for those who can benefit from it.  There's been enough ladder-pulling-up in recent years.  It's just at the edges, where it meets the idea that market forces dictate the…
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						Not happy Jan. Having just finished paying off student loans I fully expect a refund. The generation ahead of me (Joyce et al, including my older siblings) all got free tertiary education. I had to pay. And there's no way in hell I'll allow the generation following me free tertiary…
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Some disabled young people are ORS funded and stay at school until they are 21. Then there is often – nothing.  Sometimes there might be a day programme of variable quality staffed by unqualified although hopefully well meaning and enthusiastic people. The disabled person still pays for this through a…
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>Just a word from the publisher: I know I said Rob’s next post would be on his own blog, but I was away for a few days and kinda dropped the ball on getting his masthead made up. Coming real soon now, promise.</q></p><p>No probs. All good things take time,…</p>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						B. Jones, just because you got screwed by the user pays does not mean that tertiary education has to be gruelling and career focussed for everybody else.
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						I'm curious about the impact this will have on very high cost/low job prospect courses like aviation or diving &ndash; I remember an ad for one along the lines of "serious learning! serious fun!"  and I've always had a sense that they prey a little on young people who haven't…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>@Russell: People qualify so long as they’ve had *no* previous post-school education.</q></p><p>Oh. So my three months of part-time study more than 30 years ago would count me out? Hmmm.</p>
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				<title>Ben Ross</title>
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						<p>Joyce shilling about the Tertiary Policy yesterday was as intelligent as dissing the Prime Minister in the media interviews after Key's State of the Nation on tolls.</p><p>That is <br />Key: Luke Warm to Tolls (translated &ndash; it is going to happen)<br />Joyce: Translated: Fat show in hell....</p><p>Hooton picked up…</p>
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				<title>Rob Salmond</title>
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						<p>@Russell: People qualify so long as they've had *no* previous post-school education. </p><p>And yes, ability to properly cost the impact of a clause removing all restrictions on access for people in sunset industries did make it harder to go down that path. If only somewhere like the Treasury has some…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I expect you’ll see real boldness from Labour in those areas. In other areas, I expect you’ll see a bit more caution, though. Labour’s ability to deliver a bold social programme relies on broad public acceptance of Labour’s credibility on the economy, on personal security, and so on.<br /></q></p><p>I think…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Just a word from the publisher: I <em>know</em> I said Rob's next post would be on his own blog, but I was away for a few days and kinda dropped the ball on getting his masthead made up. Coming real soon now, promise.
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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