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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Recommended further listening: <br />the most recent few episodes of BBC Radio 4’s series <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036tbly/episodes/downloads" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <em>The Human Zoo</em></a> cover a range of cognitive biases and their impact on decision-making:<br /><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07ffxsw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> As a matter of fact</a> (14/6/2016) – on the nature of “facts” and their surprisingly tenuous connection to our decision-making…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:15:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Marc C</title>
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						An intelligent discussion, provided by Colin Peacock, and also commentary by a not so convincing Andrea Vance, but better commentary by Mr Bill Fish from Massey University. This tells us what is going on, in regards to conditioning and brainwashing, misinformation and so forth, which helps Nats to stay in…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:32:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kevin McCready</title>
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						Rob you are wrong. A journalist's job is to tell the truth and challenge lies.  Lucy is also wrong thinking this is not possible. I smell the postmodernist fallacy that truth is relative and that bias cannot be handled within a science or journalistic community.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 04:22:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Dennis Frank</title>
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						Well, a politician will only provide moral leadership if there's a societal reward for doing so, right?  Since mainstreamers re-elect Nat/Lab leaders regardless, there's no incentive for the establishment parties to select leaders who tell the truth.  Call it failure of the political market, call it failure of democracy to…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:26:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						Isn’t it just that the lies have changed? It used to be self serving politicians lying about what is best for the country, then it was ssp’s lying about a third way and the centre ground, now it is ssp’s lying to a shrinking middle class about aspirational  maintainance of…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Mash media...</strong><br /><q>...they should have put it on outbrain as “New Zealand sent some sheep to Mecca. You’ll be amazed what happened next.”</q><br />Brilliant scheme! <br />I like it!</p><p>I can see that right next to __"He assured them there were Weapons of Mass Destruction, so they went looking. You won't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 07:41:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>oga</title>
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						Didn't this whole post-truth thing have its genesis in the removal of the fairness doctrine in August 1987? All of the language related to fairness in broadcasting was removed completely from the law in 2011, and ever since, the practice of straight-up lying on the media has spread and spread…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 06:16:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q> none of the MSM have picked up on the fact.</q></p><p>Maybe they should have put it on outbrain as "New Zealand sent some sheep to Mecca. You'll be amazed what happened next."</p><p>t seems though that nowadays no one will report someone elses story, because you know, ego and money.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:11:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Why do we not see headlines of the form:<br />“John Key lied about X”</q></p><p>Where's <strong>"Murray McCully lied and misled parliament"</strong> over the Saudi sheep bribe? </p><p>While Phil Vine's excellent report <a href="http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/thenation/inside-the-saudi-sheep-deal-2016070211#axzz4DD39HrJ5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Inside the Saudi sheep deal</a> on <em>The Nation</em> finally provided proof and exposed McCully's lies, none of the MSM…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:02:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder if some of the attraction of Trump is that he's prepared to stand up and</q></p><p>... lie like a champion? Trump is almost the definitive post-truth politician, at least in the west. We're all used to the Communist menace telling the most unbelievable whoppers while everyone involved pretends…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:44:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>despud</title>
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						One of the things I really liked about having Helen Clark as a PM (at least for the first two terms), was she appeared to tell the truth. It wasn't always shiny, and at times she appeared to get frustrated trying to talk about real-world complexities in short sentences. But…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:45:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						<p>Purple spirit was used in "Banda" copiers. Gestetners used a thick goopy black ink.</p><p>See here: <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-flashback/?p=16763#post16763" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-flashback/?p=16763#post16763</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:00:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Meth – an foetid meme</strong><br /><q>the smell of purple spirit when making handouts*</q><br />or  &ndash; when the spirit mauves you…<br />…there ends the purple reign?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 08:16:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>purple spirit</q></p><p>aah</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:40:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Neither did all those hand cranked Gestetnered flyers we used to print after hours at the local high school, but we did it anyway.</p><p>*remembers the smell of purple spirit when making handouts*</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:25:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>This certainly isn't new, in NZ, or I assume from what I've read, anywhere else.</p><p>Machiavelli didn't write about how things could be, he wrote about how they really were, behind all the lies. Where the powerful serve the interests of the very few who keep them in power at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:56:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						There is a considerable Anglocentricity about posts like this. Now, that is fair enough as far as it goes. We all speak english and we are all, by and large, monolingual. But the thing is, the depth of the rot is largely (but not totally) confined to the Anglosphere. And…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:29:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>A diminished and pressured pool of journos rely on being fed packaged points which only one political wing has been doing reliably. It is faster to do a 'he said, she said' story than to analyse and probe for truth. You can also get away with cheaper, less-experienced staff.</p><p>Blaming…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:03:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p>Hi Rob.</p><p><q>Politicians aren’t punished for lying partly because too often the media chooses not to punish them. The media is the closest credible witness to the statements our leaders make.</q></p><p>I don't know if that's entirely fair.  To use a tired metaphor, modern media is fighting a war on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:28:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>Whatever the motivation, the truth has gone out of fashion.</q><br />WTF! Is truth a fashion accessory now.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:15:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p><q>would it not be better if journalism maintained a healthy neutrality?</q><br />Sure, if that were possible. Since it's not, it would be better if all journalists were honest about their biases.</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						What's unhealthy about the MSM is precisely that they're <em>not</em> "hard arse" about critiquing the government, but rather, lick-arse.
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Not all politicians lie, and they certainly don't all lie to the same degree. Claiming that they are all equally cynical is the way to a) ensure the liars win, and b) deter decent people from standing.</p><p>"They're all as bad as each other" is a lazy line that only…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:48:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I think some (maybe even most) politicians are very honest and ethical and do not lie. They might have a version of the truth that others disagree with but they do not construct a truth just because it is convenient. Trouble is, many of these people do not go far…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:41:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Meyers</title>
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						<p>Here's my take: Politicians lie. They are known liars, being as trust-worthy as real estate agents and car salesmen. Because of this when a lie is exposed, no one cares because they all do it. Or they were misquoted. Or they didn't understand the question. Or they were misinformed.....</p><p>The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 13:31:30 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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