Public Address | Cafe | Polity: Labour and the Greens in a tree... https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Tom Johnson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361879#post361879 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361879#post361879 Yep, the key word here is "suffer". People are suffering.

Who took the hit for the GE?. The poor. There are sizable chunks of the electorate who felt nothing from it's bust up , ironically the classes most associated with the banking programmes that caused the collapse.

What did John…

]]> Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:59:43 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361878#post361878 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361878#post361878 United fact…
gentlemen …. of ego and stagnation.
At least they never get enough party votes to bring more of their ilk into Parliament, it would be good to get rid of both of them, and also to woo the Maori Party away from the Overlords, they can’t see a…

]]> Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:45:40 +1200 Tom Johnson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361876#post361876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361876#post361876 Labour and Greens are natural coalition partners in any reasonable persons eyes except the weird world of a handful of primetime political pundits who love promoting scraps that don't exist in order to look personally dynamic.

New Zealand First carries the potential of taking both major parties over the line…

]]> Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:07:31 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361862#post361862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361862#post361862 Sat, 04 Jun 2016 10:57:52 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361844#post361844 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361844#post361844 How does that happen?

Trotter has a great gift for sonorous puff. A bit like the kind of potboiler stuff that Maurice Shadbolt once turned out for coffee table books, with a dash of Desiderata, so that you're tickled into feeling that you've exercised your fine mind by having read…

]]> Fri, 03 Jun 2016 23:44:42 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361840#post361840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361840#post361840 However, the problem is that he's lodged there as a pustule while silencing real, practical and informed left political commentary.

How does that happen? Is he just good mates with the editors and broadcasters, and someone they know they can get cheaply and easily on short notice about any issue…

]]> Fri, 03 Jun 2016 22:38:19 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361801#post361801 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361801#post361801 Fri, 03 Jun 2016 11:27:41 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361795#post361795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361795#post361795 I suppose what really annoyed me was that he seemed so reasonable in comparison, but in the end has was just "not as bad as other Nats".

With that I would not disagree. My view is that he actually took an active interest in taking responsibility for the portfolio with…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 22:23:32 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361792#post361792 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361792#post361792 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 16:42:24 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361791#post361791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361791#post361791 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 16:20:13 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361775#post361775 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361775#post361775 As much as it is about values of solidarity and equality, it needs to be about pragmatism.

Which reads to me as a great aphorism for despising those outside of the party system as political amateurs. It's Labour's isolation through contempt for that part of the potential electrorate that's driven…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 11:18:52 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361772#post361772 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361772#post361772 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:53:33 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361771#post361771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361771#post361771 Chris Trotter.....Go away.
Congratulations on getting that out without once using the word Chardonnay.

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:50:18 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361770#post361770 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361770#post361770 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:48:37 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361769#post361769 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361769#post361769 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:47:24 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361767#post361767 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361767#post361767 Josie is at least practical...
Practical in the sense of strategically gaming the system to thwart the popular will, in the grand tradition of Michael Bassett and Tony Blair. I'm less than convinced of the "practicality" of, for example, her "get in behind the TPP you ungrateful bastards" schtick.

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:28:58 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361765#post361765 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361765#post361765 But that would have made no difference whatever to the number of Labour or Green MPs, which is entirely determined by the party vote.
http://www.elections.org.nz/voting-system/mmp-voting-system
aaah I see – all the electorate MPs are part of the 'party vote percentage' and the 'List MPs' comprise of any shortfall in electorates…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:20:59 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361764#post361764 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361764#post361764 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:15:02 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361762#post361762 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361762#post361762 Why can't Trotter bother to educate himself about actual red/green coalitions and why does the media keep to running to him as a 'left' political commentator?

Agreed, though isn't it more than a touch ironic to be making that point in the allocated blogpatch of [[http://pundit.co.nz/content/leftie-strategerizing|one of Josie Pagani's most…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:01:48 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361761#post361761 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361761#post361761 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:01:40 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361758#post361758 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361758#post361758 And now it begins. TV3's Paul Henry (what a surprise) brings on failed National Party strategist Michelle Boag and Mr Flakey Loose Wheel "Leftist" Chris Trotter:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/boag-and-trotter-agree-labour-is-probably-doomed-2016060109#axzz4AMnlEk8e

Why can't Trotter bother to educate himself about actual red/green coalitions and why does the media keep to running to him as a…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 09:52:18 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361757#post361757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361757#post361757 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 09:48:49 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361756#post361756 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361756#post361756 [a Green withdrawal] would have gained Chchch Central for [Labour] last election

But that would have made no difference whatever to the number of Labour or Green MPs, which is entirely determined by the party vote.

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 09:45:50 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361755#post361755 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361755#post361755 blusters bumbling Brownlee. ]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 09:45:33 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361751#post361751 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361751#post361751 ..and let's face it National just doesn't give a toss anymore it seems.
They tweeted from the embargoed Budget lock up – 3 and a half hours before it was allowed
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80592318/treasury-to-call-on-national-party-budget-breachers-to-please-explain

Gerry and the Placemakers have shouted down any questions about the last minute changes to the stated 'purpose'…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:58:28 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361748#post361748 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361748#post361748 volcanic pique…
Mt Roskill by-election;
Labour’s Goff (18,637) had 8,000+ votes over National’s candidate (10,546) last election, while the Greens only had 1,682 votes (and John Minto had 300) – the whole Right / Conservative bloc (including NZF) still only totals 12, 357
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/electorate-28.html
As long as Labour picks a…

]]> Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:45:18 +1200 Seriatim https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361746#post361746 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361746#post361746 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 00:51:10 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361745#post361745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361745#post361745 Well, I just read Clare Trevetts piece and that is such a catatonically neoliberal framing that I can only imagine that her head is so far up the arse of the political establishment she spends most of her day wondering why they haven’t privatised tonsils yet.

The idea that the…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 23:05:15 +1200 Ian Pattison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361743#post361743 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361743#post361743 Interesting how nobody's talking about the Mt Roskill by-election; which I presume is where the first round of this MOU is going to play out. Are Labour and the Greens going to coordinate and only going to put forward one left candidate?

Had everybody forgotten about that?

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:41:30 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361742#post361742 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361742#post361742 ...
Threatening
EstablishedOrder
And (hopefully)
Sinking
Incumbent
Neoliberal
Government
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]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:38:43 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361741#post361741 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361741#post361741 Keenly
Indicating
Social
Service
In
New
Government
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]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:31:49 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361740#post361740 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361740#post361740 “Labour and Greens up a tree”….
…
Keenly
Indicating
Social
Service
In
New
Government
?

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 20:41:02 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361739#post361739 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361739#post361739 It’s the shallow end of journalism... Patrick Gower’s brilliant at it...

Sure enough. Paddy's big story tonight was about the "first row" between the two parties. He asked Meteria Turei if the public "would get to see what a joint government would look like before the election?"

She said __"Yes.…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 20:05:39 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361737#post361737 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361737#post361737 up a tree"? Or is that one of those regional difference things? ]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:49:31 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361736#post361736 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361736#post361736 digital apprenticeships policy is a potential deal-maker for me personally, since it could be the one thing that gets me out of the dead-end cycle. So if Labour needs to stand for only one thing, it's extending the "ladder of opportunity" for those who… ]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 18:17:46 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361735#post361735 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361735#post361735 Wed, 01 Jun 2016 17:49:32 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361734#post361734 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361734#post361734 What in particular do you dislike about Nick Smith in Conservation?

Purely based on his responses to personal communications, I got the impression that he was quite unwilling to spend political capital on DoC issues (or maybe he didn't have enough clout to achieve much). There was no way he…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 17:25:24 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361731#post361731 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361731#post361731 he couldn't be much worse than Nick Smith as Minister for conservation

What in particular do you dislike about Nick Smith in Conservation?

I'd much prefer an alternative government, but from the options available and from what I saw of him, Nick Smith actually took a strong interest in it…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 16:27:22 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361726#post361726 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361726#post361726 Everyone knows they’re natural bedfellows anyway...

David Cunliffe admitted as much after losing the 2014 election.

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:43:00 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361723#post361723 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361723#post361723 Jeez, if they committed solidly to something bold (that would be criticised!) like UBI I’d probably join the Labour Party.

If they committed to a UBI I would probably join too. Until then, I'll probably continue to vote Green. We are in the middle of a poverty crisis, and only…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:35:42 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361722#post361722 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361722#post361722 ... and Steffan Browning as minister of science?????

for all that I despise the nonsense that individual spouts, I'm kinda tempted by the view that he couldn't be much worse than Nick Smith as Minister for conservation or Pullya Benefit as Minister of Social Welfare. It might almost be a…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:29:55 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361721#post361721 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361721#post361721 I’m really looking forward to seeing Kevin Hague as a Minister of Health and Julie Anne Genter as a Minister of Transport

... and Steffan Browning as minister of science?????

Sorry but it had to be said.

There are significant issues in this coalition. I agree with the two you…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:21:08 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361718#post361718 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361718#post361718 his redirection of the science budget to multinationals

That isn't true of this budget.

Marsden (pure science) got +12 million per year (added to the current 53 million they have). So that's quite a big step up.

MBIE bidding is influenced by "benefit to NZ" but they have taken a…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:15:55 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361717#post361717 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361717#post361717 And it doesn't mean anything until we see one party concede policy to the other and/or both assert who from either party will speak for portfolios

They have agreed who gets Finance. That should head off some of the wild squawking from righties about not wanting the Greens anywhere near…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:02:10 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361716#post361716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361716#post361716 ...that man makes me so mad.

Is that because of his pompous demeanor, his redirection of the science budget to multinationals and friends of the National party, or the total disregard for democracy he shares with his cabinet colleagues?

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:34:57 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361715#post361715 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361715#post361715 Bachelor analogy (on TV news last night) while not referencing or crediting it
whoops, I got that wrong he does allude to it
– hmm, maybe I'm frothing a wee bit too...
that man makes me so mad.
:- (

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:09:59 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361714#post361714 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361714#post361714 If the Greens/Labour chose to run a single candidate and won a National-held electorate, they’d just get an electorate MP rather than a list one.
You miss my point – by having one Labour candidate and no Green candidate to dilute or spread the vote it might push a Labour…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:06:08 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361713#post361713 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361713#post361713 Soper box rants...
Bloody hell – Barry Soper is almost frothing at the mouth as he tries to pack as much vitriol into his diatribe / column today:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648756
he gets so worked up basic english escapes him:
But Little and Metiria Turei, both lawyers in a previous life, he for…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:31:53 +1200 Fen Tex https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361712#post361712 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361712#post361712 The first is about timing – this is the right time...

I disagree. The time for this was years ago and the bad blood between Labour and the Greens has been an example of Labour incompetence and inability to form a government in the MMP environment.

And it doesn't mean…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:31:05 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361711#post361711 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361711#post361711 One does wonder if there will be Epsom & Ohariu-like candidate ‘withdrawal’ and instructions to voters re MP and Party vote in some areas?

That only works with micro-parties having a single electorate MP (e.g Epsom and Ohariu) where National get extra MPs because Dunne & Seymour don't come off their party…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:23:29 +1200 Sam Bradford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361709#post361709 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361709#post361709 Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:14:19 +1200 Howard Edwards https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361708#post361708 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361708#post361708 +1

Or more correctly

1+(1+(1+(1+ ....)) .....)

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:01:12 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361706#post361706 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361706#post361706 Except that for the last three elections it has always been clear that Labour couldn't govern without The Greens.

Everyone knew this.

Yet despite everyone knowing it was Labour/Green vs National the public still voted National ... Or more accurately the Labour/Green voters chose not to vote leaving the National…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 11:33:10 +1200 Sam Bradford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361705#post361705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361705#post361705 Voters should be pleased with this.

This is how it should work. You cast your vote for Labour or Greens, knowing that they'll have different priorities and your vote will affect the relative weighting of those priorities. But Labour can fuck this up, as they have in the past, by…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 10:59:05 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361704#post361704 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361704#post361704 It’s basically a press release for National.

like i say, auditioning.

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 10:45:30 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361703#post361703 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361703#post361703 And finally, here are my references:

Charles Lees: The Red/Green Coalition in Germany: Politics, Personalities and Power: Manchester: Palgrave: 2000.

Werner Reutter: Germany on the Road to Normalcy: Politics and Policies of the Red/Green Federal Government: 1998-2002Manchester: Palgrave: 2004

Franko Zelko and Caroline Brinkman: Green Parties: Reflections on the First…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 10:35:34 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361702#post361702 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361702#post361702 So, what about factoring in NZF?

What about 'traffic light coalitions' that might conceivably include Labour, the Greens and New Zealand First? These have existed overseas. In particularly, the Czech Republic may offer some interesting insights into how this might unfold. Rather like New Zealand First, the Czech Peoples Party…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 10:33:59 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361701#post361701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361701#post361701 Here's something I wrote back in 2015 about a possible Labour/Green coalition back then before Cunliffe's cockup:

In Germany, Social Democrat Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder led a successful and effective Social Democrat/Green coalition (1998-2005) for two Bundestag terms. In Finland, Social Democrat Prime Minister Paavo Lipponen's government included Cabinet minister representation…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 10:30:48 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361699#post361699 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361699#post361699 like this, you mean? Trevett manages to make it about her pin-up PM. Longest job interview ..

Yes, pretty much. It's the shallow end of journalism which only ever frames politics as sport. Instead of investigating and reporting with substance, it commentates on every single development in terms of strategy,…

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:22:23 +1200 Tom Johnson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361698#post361698 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361698#post361698 Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:08:55 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361697#post361697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361697#post361697 the Greens might also need to take stock
Vote rustlers?

One does wonder if there will be Epsom & Ohariu-like candidate 'withdrawal' and instructions to voters re MP and Party vote in some areas?

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:04:44 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361696#post361696 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361696#post361696 Hepatic cat...
employing a form of divination that us effete liberals would find too offal to contemplate
Entrailer trash...
...or Liver birds?
;- )

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:00:30 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361693#post361693 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361693#post361693 Hear 'em, scare 'em...
meta-commentary about political gamesmanship
...like this, you mean?
It's a bit rich Trevett pointing a mocking finger at "Little's Big Love government" when National is in bed with 3 parties already...

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:47:11 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361692#post361692 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361692#post361692 Is it really the right time, when Labour have with recent changes of position (Auckland housing, dropping CGT, dropping GST exemption for certain foods, ambiguous talk about a UBI, and so forth), and a very unclear policy direction (no clear words on tax reform), and nobody really knowing that well… ]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:40:07 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361691#post361691 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361691#post361691 ongoing meta-commentary about political gamesmanship

like this, you mean? Trevett manages to make it about her pin-up PM. Longest job interview ..

]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:05:35 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361690#post361690 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361690#post361690 Your polling figures declaring that the left is finally on the rise could be taken from anytime with in the last 10 years. Ten years when National have relentlessly thumped the left. I don't think National will be panicking just yet.

I agree. Trying to extrapolate the future based on…

]]> Tue, 31 May 2016 22:58:22 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361689#post361689 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361689#post361689 I doubt many of us would be surprised. Opinions welcome.
For all I know Marc C may be a trained haruspex, employing a form of divination that us effete liberals would find too offal to contemplate.

]]> Tue, 31 May 2016 22:20:00 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361688#post361688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361688#post361688 I see an election outcome few here will expect, where NZ First may rise to be the strong and vocal opposition party, which may gain favour and support from former, disgruntled National voters and former Labour voters rushing to them, and putting it at perhaps 15 or more percent in… ]]> Tue, 31 May 2016 21:39:59 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361687#post361687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361687#post361687 Tue, 31 May 2016 21:06:11 +1200 Art Croft https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361682#post361682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361682#post361682 Your polling figures declaring that the left is finally on the rise could be taken from anytime with in the last 10 years. Ten years when National have relentlessly thumped the left. I don't think National will be panicking just yet.

Plus the MOU isn't worth the paper its printed…

]]> Tue, 31 May 2016 19:10:22 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361677#post361677 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361677#post361677 That research provides evidence that parties who cooperate before an election, rather than campaign completely independently, ultimately are more likely to win government. That’s a pretty good reason to formalize things.

So who in Labour decided to do the opposite before the 2014 election?

]]> Tue, 31 May 2016 18:05:53 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361676#post361676 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-labour-and-the-greens-in-a-tree/?p=361676#post361676 Discussion from blog post.

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