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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						The PM's office will pass it to the most appropriate Minister for you, is all.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2018 23:59:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>that’s what the PM is for :)</q></p><p>I doubt that the PM would have much depth of knowledge of this...though I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.</p><p>There are only seven sitting Government MPs who actually spoke  about this in the House that day;  Dyson, Faafoi, Logie, Lees-Galloway, Wall, Hipkins…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2018 22:53:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						that's what the PM is for :)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:37:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>I doubt the RIS is Curran’s responsibility at all</q></p><p>You could be right....and it is not immediately obvious who/which entity is responsible.</p><p>However....Curran did jump onto this particular instance of nefarious government practise back in 2013, and has scored her 'dream' portfolio of Associate Minister for <a href="http://www.ssc.govt.nz/open-government-partnership-ogp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">State Services(Open Government)....</a></p><p>So,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:05:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I doubt the RIS is Curran's responsibility at all &ndash; more likely Justice. Surely this govt can act quite fast to repeal the most egregious clauses in that Act.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:17:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Ms Curran does have responsibility for 'Open Government', and she did have much to say about the Regulatory Impact Statement....</p><p>We have written to the Ministers of Justice, Health Disability Issues, and I understand others have written to the PM about the Public Health and Disability Amendment Act(2)...what Peter and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:54:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Might be better to write to the PM or a Minister whose portfolio this more closely applies to &ndash; like Justice.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:00:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Evening all.</p><p>Just in case y'all thought this was a forgotten outrage, a vague scar in our memories of the Previous Administration That Wrought This Shit...</p><p>I have written to the New Minister in Charge of Restoring the Voters' Trust in Government, to wit, Clare Curran.</p><p>And I'm publicising the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2018 21:08:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Our unwritten constitution is not worth the paper it's not written on.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 22:35:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<p>It's important to separate the question of whether a particular piece of legislation has an unfairly discriminatory effect from the constitutional issues arising from the manner in which such legislation is enacted.</p><p>Parliamentary sovereignty will generally apply to the former, in that the government may lawfully pass legislation that has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 21:30:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/05/25/national-you-have-a-problem/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">More power-grabbing</a> by National. This time they're taking away Auckland Council's power to set regional transport policy, instead requiring Auckland Transport to be "consistent with" the Government Policy Statement on Land Transport. Following any of the Council's plans is subordinated to the GPSoLT. </p><p>Needless to say the current GPSoLT (the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 18:46:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Round-Up© Bill passed under urgency...</strong><br /><q>...the only change for any public benefit <br />has to be grassroots driven.</q><br />Did I dream I heard Nick Smith say they'll be <br />spraying nationwide with DDT again soon?</p><p>Plateau's Republic starts here...</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 11:00:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Roberts</title>
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						<p>"Constitutional Guillotine. Which means a law removing any purported right of the head of state’s stooge to refuse to assent to legislation (and/or replacing such head of stage and stooge with a president, but that’s strictly speaking unnecessary)."</p><p>I don't think there is such a law. AFIK there exixts a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 10:43:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Coordination is no longer only either top-down or bottom-up, but is essential for change &ndash; and for making sure political parties have good candidates to vote for. Otherwise us grassroots all ending up wanting the same rain but not knowing how to get it.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 10:41:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>hotfrog</title>
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						<p>The problem with 'voting for good people' is the that election machine tends to screen them out along the way.  </p><p>Expecting 'top-down' solutions belongs to the past. Corporate ambition has such a grip on our educational, judicial and legislative mechanisms that the only change for any public benefit has to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 10:25:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I'm interested to know why it isn't a breach of privilege to expect members to vote on material that has been shared with some but not all of them. I guess that it isn't a breach if the majority (and the partisan Speaker) say it isn't.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 15:40:54 +1200</pubDate>
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						Can anyone tell me how common/uncommon the practice of redacting info from an RIS for MPs is? Have there been RISs containing material redacted when published online/for the general public, but not when distributed to MPs? And if the practice is not entirely uncommon, has it been affected by changes…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 15:27:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						The wonderful Jackson Wood has helpfully obtained a partial copy of a document which <a href="http://www.jacksonjwood.com/fuck-you-new-zealand-bill/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">explains some of the Government's thinking</a>.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 13:25:59 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>They’re no longer even trying to feign a semblance of impartiality.</p><p>Perhaps it was apathy, perhaps it was the pretty colours and slick presentation, most likely it was willful ignorance, honestly I’ve no idea why I didn’t reach this point sooner, but I’m boycotting <a href="http://fearfactsexposed.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fairfax</a> henceforth.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 00:14:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						Hate certainlly gets around.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 22:56:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						The DomPost apparently thinks it is OK to feature disability hate speech on its letters page today. The writer not only denigrates a named person, but is using that same argument against disabled people that is often used by racists  &ndash; that one about Maori (in this case disabled people)…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 08:44:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p><q>You are right that the constitution is unwritten, but to overturn the principle of parliamentary sovereignty would violate the most fundamental principle of that constitution.</q></p><p>Hmm, it’s a tricky one. I feel I can’t quite get my expression of my point on this right, possibly because I have no technical…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 00:50:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p><q>    <em>Does anyone know why the redacted parts couldn’t be got by an OIA request? </em></p><p>You can try, but they will likely withhold it as legal advice. That withholding ground is one of the stronger ones, and it would take an exceptionally strong public interest, ...</q></p><p>And isn't that exactly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 23:53:28 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>In defence of disability NGOs, many have been forming themselves into 'peak bodies' in the last few years in an effort to make themselves collectively more effective. </q></p><p>True, that is an example of acting smarter.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 20:43:45 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Change leadership happens withing an enterprise</q></p><p>Successful social change movements would disagree.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 20:43:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						In defence of disability NGOs, many have been forming themselves into 'peak bodies' in the last few years in an effort to make themselves collectively more effective. Several disabled people's organisations make up the Convention Coalition which has government funding to undertake research to monitor the UN Convention. A large…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 20:34:50 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Q.  How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb?<br />A.  One. But the lightbulb has to really want to change.</p><p>It doesn't matter how smart the leadership is if the politicians refuse to engage. In each electorate, we're a tiny minority and an invisible one because of factors…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 17:55:18 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>their constituency is least capable of supplying the background energy and financing that successful campaigns require</q></p><p>Totally agree &ndash; which is why it's even more important that change leadership be smart. It isn't.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 16:55:47 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>They can only get change that politicians have been willing to grant them</q></p><p>Getting change involves more than meek begging.</p>
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						<p><q>Disability NGOs seem far less effective than their brethren in other fields in achieving meaningful change.</q></p><p>They can only get change that politicians have been willing to grant them, no matter how well they lobby. Disability NGOs suffer from the handicap (excuse the anachronistic pun) that their constituency is least…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>contrasts our govt’s visionless and nasty response with what’s happening over the Tasman.</q></p><p>When Australia is ahead of us on any social policy, something is wrong with what we're doing. Once upon a time that was an article of faith.</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10885234" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Brian Rudman offers</a> a concise and accurate account of the family carers case, and contrasts our govt's visionless and nasty response with what's happening over the Tasman.</p><p><q>Funded by all taxpayers through the Medicare health insurance scheme, DisabilityCare, when in full operation, will provide "long-term, high-quality support for around 410,000 people…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 14:35:51 +1200</pubDate>
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						Disability NGOs seem far less effective than their brethren in other fields in achieving meaningful change. That's based on a close-up view over a decade. Unimpressive. People deserve better.
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						Which NGO's are you talking about? Volunteer numbers are down, funding is short and dealing with government is a tool to gain primary objectives for most NGOs, not their reason for existence.
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				<title>Roger Lacey</title>
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						<p><q>Can we copy this to send it to our local MPs? </q><br />Sure, be my guest. <br />If our back bench MPs are aware that they are under scrutiny by their electorate, they might actually start to read legislation before they vote on it and may ask their leaders why the buggery…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 14:06:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Chch ppl … have a right to self-determination.</q></p><p>Your name has been noted, citizen. Your corporatist overlords will be sending re-education specialists to your location momentarily, to address your disturbing display of unwillingness to bow before the paternalist puppet-masters who have hold of your city’s strings.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 14:05:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Doesn't excuse NGOs being so weak at playing their role. The sheer lack of nous is striking.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:59:41 +1200</pubDate>
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						People like Farrar and Slater have worked hard over years to tribalise NZ politics along the US lines. And "the Left" let them get away with it because it all seemed so trivial. Now, we have people voting along party lines more than ever and the opposing party is demonised…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:50:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Demand competent representation, and support only people and organisations who offer it. Beyond political parties too.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:25:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						Can we copy this to send it to our local MPs? Serious question. I started writing something along the same lines to Amy Adams, but it got too ... emotional.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:06:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>beaverusiv</title>
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						So what do we do? Other than get incensed with other people who get incensed, how do we instigate change?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:56:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>I can't see Queen Elizabeth getting her head chopped off (or the GG for that matter). The worst that might happen is that Key might resign and call a snap election, assuming he was willing to push his luck.</q></p><p><em>Constitutional</em> Guillotine. Which means a law removing any purported right of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:44:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger Lacey</title>
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						<p>I sent this to my local MP, Simon O'Connor:<br /><q>As you are my electorate MP, I was wondering if you would be able to answer a few questions I have about the passing of recent legislation regarding payment to family members of disabled people.<br />1) I understand that funding was…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:13:22 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>... or a casino? or an events centre? or a stadium?<br />helluva priority set they have ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:37:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> 'Do you want the nice-to-haves?' " he said.</q><br />are those decent schools? good hospitals? public transport?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:01:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						Well stated comment there on Stuff Lilith, you got my up-vote.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 00:44:23 +1200</pubDate>
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						<q> This article caused me to shout at my computer today</q>I was so incensed I couldn't post without intemperance so I shut down the computer. Key and Joyce really, really want to stick it to the People's Republic of Christchurch, and they see the rebuild as dealing to  it once and…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:16:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>alison scott</title>
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						You got it.  You rock.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 21:56:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>What does it take to get them properly riled up?</q><br />Wait til Lianne is mayor? Hoping ....  :)<br /><q>A bit puzzling that I have seen no support for the Government actions. Why not?</q><br />This is especially indefensible? <br />Love to know what Graeme E makes of Geddis' arguments. It's a fair…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Highly relevant. I still can't believe the opposition are so pathetically ineffective on that ongoing power-grab. What does it take to get them properly riled up?
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				<title>Ianmac</title>
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						A bit puzzling that I have seen no support for the Government actions. Why not?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 21:11:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>I have a hope that Key and cronies’ ‘Anchor Projects’ in Chchch (amongst other equally egregious decisions) will eventually deep six them next election…<br />Something’s got to give!</q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/8697670/PM-urges-council-to-sell-assets" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This article</a> caused me to shout at my computer today. Yes, the big expensive civic projects CERA is insisting we must have…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 20:41:43 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Anchor Projects</q></p><p>Maaaate. What's not to love about a rugby stadium? Sponsors and construction companies agree with me.</p>
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						<p><q>the hard fact is this policy goes way back</q></p><p>It does. Cabinet had to support changes for them to happen &ndash; just like this current result is not purely on Ryall but also English, Joyce, Collins and their fellow humanitarians. </p><p>And on us citizens. I really am grateful for the…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>Before judging her, I would like to hear what Ruth has to say about the family carer issue from her time as minister.</q><br />I reckon Ruth was a very good minister. In 2000 I was working on Chch based Inside/Out programmes, and she'd drop past, interested in what the issues…</p>
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						<p><q>the continued and unchanging policy of not paying relatives to care for their disabled family members</q></p><p>..unless they qualify for ACC, where family funding arrangements have worked just fine for years.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Actually this constant abuse of urgency and process as a way of doing business seems even a little more ominous and totalitarian.</q><br />Especially the cynical passing of legislation that has nothing to do with the budget and everything to do with the erosion of democracy, and paving the way for…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>I wasn't aware of the issue of paying family carers in the time of the Labour government. What I was aware of was:</p><p>-the development of the 2001 NZ Disability Strategy by disabled people, and the establishment of an Office for Disability Issues to monitor it<br />&ndash; disability made a…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>the continued and unchanging policy of not paying relatives to care for their disabled family members was a direct implementation of Labour Party policy.</q><br />Yes. Labour are hardly the white knights on the shining charger. Labour also had the same shabby, cheap policy- and on one level, pretty stupid policy,…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>... based on the more reality-aligned view...</q></p><p>You could suggest the continued and unchanging policy of not paying relatives to care for their disabled family members was a direct implementation of Labour Party policy.</p>
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						Actually this constant abuse of urgency and process as a way of doing business seems even a little more ominous and totalitarian. Something of a prelude perhaps. Hopefully not, but is Labour really the saviour here? Thinking about when the GCSB spied on kiwis, Zaoui etc etc.
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						so this reminds me of the 90s when crazy crazy shit was happening (Alamein Kopu etc etc etc) and until I stumbled onto Hard News I couldn't believe that no one was getting called on it. I thought either I was crazy or all the paper and tv news outlets…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>we are kind of busy with practical day to day stuff – adapting clothing, appointment with therapists, doctors, researching…and so on.  So time to be politically active is more limited</q></p><p>Lazy...<br />;-)</p><p>Nah, joking aside I see this as the biggest reason that society as a whole has a responsibility…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<q>This whole thing just makes me so impotently furious. And the impotence just makes me more furious. Seriously, what can be done? Pretty much fucking nothing, as best I can tell, because these fuckers sure don’t give a fuck about public opinion. And I’m quite certain that nowhere near enough…</q>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p><q>The raiders election in 2008 has simply legitimised the disloyal behavior of those people….</q></p><p>Rather than blame "disloyal public servants" for being secretly National supporters while Labour was in government, you could make the same argument based on the more reality-aligned view that the cause was growing tendencies to corporate…</p>
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				<title>Simon Poole</title>
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						<p><em>Dunne: "I saw all the Cabinet papers". </em></p><p>Hi George,</p><p>Yes, I was interested to get that reply. Unfortunately my followup question &ndash; was Dunne comfortable asking the Opposition to vote on the Bill without providing them the full Regulatory Impact Statement &ndash; has gone unanswered thus far.</p><p>I'm aware…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Another little nasty in all of this is the cumbersome NASC assessment process which operates undervery limited and out of date criteria: only intellectual, physical or vision/hearing impairment is considered for support. And only those already assessed as having high needs are covered with this new policy.</p><p> I have a…</p>
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				<title>steve broca</title>
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						<p>According to Andrew Geddis’ article, it was 2010 that the case was taken to the human rights tribunal… An action that the raiding party tried to undercut… This legislation is a result of that loss in court…</p><p>I would find it unbeleivable that a labour government would go to the…</p>
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						<p>Tried to figure why Ryall would fight this so hard and perhaps why Labour won’t be making too much noise.</p><p>My suspicions rest with the growth in epidemic disability.  In 2011 the number of cases of diabetes in New Zealand exceeded projections by more than 20% in some areas.  The…</p>
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						<p>That's got nothing to do with Royal Assent. </p><p>The HoL has voted down numerous Commons bills. What happened (roughly) with the Asquith government was that Conservatives in the Lords set themselves against a number of that government's policies (specifically finance and Irish Home Rule). Asquith wanted the King to create…</p>
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						The question about political action is interesting. I know a couple of people who are considering standing on party lists in 2014. But it is really difficult as most disabled people have extra support needs (such as NZSL interpreters) that make that process very hard and expensive (and poverty is…
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						<p><q>More than half of NZ's population has lived in cities for over a century now, despite the rural myth we continue with.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10884980" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Downshifting to Hamilton, or sprawling to Hamilton?</a> Draw your own conclusion.</p>
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						<a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Caregiver-bill-may-be-unconstitutional/tabid/1607/articleID/298454/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">3News finally cottons on</a>, as does <a href="Fairfax">Fairfax</a>. The Granny also <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10884930" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">smells a rat</a>.
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						<p><q> quite certain that nowhere near enough people who own guns are going to get outraged and storm Parliament for it to matter.</q></p><p>We are opting for a string of suspicious accidents until we see a drastic change of heart.</p>
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						I'm an honorable member of the disability community &ndash; my son has Downs &ndash; and I don't know about size but in terms of energy one of our challenges is we are kind of busy with practical day to day stuff &ndash; adapting clothing, appointment with therapists, doctors, researching...and so…
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						<p><q>how large (roughly) is the disability 'community', and how political are they?</q></p><p>Disabled people and our families are a larger number than those who could be considered part of a politicised movement. Refusal to address even that most basic reality hinders effective disability policy and political action.</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>Hi Alison,  the Privacy Commissioner has a useful explanatory page, linked below if it helps</p><p><a href="http://privacy.org.nz/the-privacy-act-and-codes/privacy-principles/access/legal-professional-privilege/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://privacy.org.nz/the-privacy-act-and-codes/privacy-principles/access/legal-professional-privilege/</a></p>
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						<p><q>Also, when governments plead "poverty", what they are almost always saying is "we don't give a shit". Its not really about unaffordability; it is about priorities</q></p><p>and this.</p>
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						<p><q>the only way I can see it will lose them sufficient votes is if the disability sector organises politically over this issue, and brings their constituency and others in and makes it an electoral liability</q></p><p>This</p>
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						What does legally privileged mean and who can have legal privileges?
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						<p><q>enjoying having a five-day-old son</q></p><p>Please do. This stuff will wait.</p>
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						<p><q>I fear that the Maori Party voted for this for political expediency.</q></p><p>Someone pointed out that as part of the Budget they were obliged to under the confidence and supply agreement they signed up to with Joyce and co.</p>
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						<p><q>They protested, but didn't do so very effectively</q></p><p>Knock me down with a feather</p>
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						<p><q>Sorry guys, I’ve been snatching posting moments in a very full, complicated day and clearly doing a terrible job of it. Feel embarrassed</q></p><p>Nah, you're good. This is an excellent discussion, and I think it has legs. And thanks for the compliment; I wish I didn't have to state these…</p>
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						Hilary's right that they not only didn't have any disabled people's expertise, some on the committee eschewed it- one Catherine Judd's comments come to mind. But Sacha, a bit unfair to say disability groups failed to see it coming . They protested, but didn't do so very effectively, and the…
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						Sorry guys, I've been snatching posting moments in a very full, complicated day and clearly doing a terrible job of it. Feel embarrassed.
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						Hilary, thanks. I’ve had a few discussions with my Uncle on this matter (who I’m sure you know). Disability absolutely shouldn’t be a party-political issue, but when one party firmly has <q>a deep-seated belief that its not the state’s job to make sure that everyone gets a fair go</q> as…
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						Actually the House of Lords vetoed a House of Commons bill when Lloyd George was PM at the turn of the twentieth century. It created a constitutional crisis and the king had to step in and instruct the lords to pass the legislation.
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						<p><q>You are thinking of the people of Christchurch Central, who don’t live there any more, because it’s gone.</q></p><p>Ah, yes, my bad. However, the wider Canterbury area also didn't express particular disgust with their National Party MPs over the whole ECan thing.</p>
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						Hard to say. I mentioned somewhere that the rough estimate of self-identified disability in NZ is 20% of the population and that Carers NZ suggests that everyone will be at some point in their adult life either cared for or a carer. However, the activism is more diffuse. There are…
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						<p><q>You mean those same people of Canterbury who elected a National Party MP into the formerly safe-Labour-seat of Christchurch East? That "affected population"?</q></p><p>That would be a massive surprise to the people of Christchurch East, and their MP, Lianne Dalziel. The National Candidate in Chch East was a guy you…</p>
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						<p><q> and the officers there still, despite being repeatedly told by members of the public present that 3 stories was possible, tried really really hard to stick to the line it was only 2.</q></p><p>Read <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/05/20/apartments-arent-the-only-3-storey-buildings/#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">transportblog</a>, with the best comment ever from Stu Donovan<br />on May 20, 2013 at 5:55 pm:…</p>
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						<p>"They’re also sacked by the queen on the PM’s advice. For the monarch to refuse to act on such advice would be unthinkable, and time to roll out the constitutional guillotine."</p><p>I can't see Queen Elizabeth getting her head chopped off (or the GG for that matter). The worst that…</p>
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						<p>Ianmac</p><p>My understanding is that the Ministry has always considered it culturally appropriate for whanau rather than strangers to care for their disabled members, and have always paid whanau to do so.  So the Bill had no effect on whanau and this might have made it a lot easier for…</p>
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						<p><q>There is something lurking deep at the seat of all this evil.</q></p><p>Nothing we don't already know about: a deep-seated belief that its not the state's job to make sure that everyone gets a fair go.</p>
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						<p><q>it might be the people of Canterbury, or any other affected population.</q></p><p>You mean those same people of Canterbury who elected a National Party MP into the formerly safe-Labour-seat of Christchurch East? That "affected population"?</p>
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						<p><q>Seriously, what can be done? Pretty much fucking nothing, as best I can tell, because these fuckers sure don’t give a fuck about public opinion.</q></p><p>If they know they're losing votes, quite a bit. It depends on how organised sectors who are able to sway voters are. That, in this…</p>
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						<p>Hilary, how large (roughly) is the disability 'community', and how political are they?</p><p>[Asking from ignorance.]</p>
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						<p>Dunne: "<a href="https://twitter.com/PeterDunneMP/status/336403600693665793" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">I saw all the Cabinet papers</a>". There is presumably an unredacted version of this document that went to cabinet. Which was then censored before being given to Members of Parliament to vote on.</p><p>I wish Patrick Gower would report shit like this, instead of literally making up leadership coups…</p>
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						<p>Congratulations Matthew. How lovely.<br />I sympathise with your fury. I experienced that on Thursday afternoon. Cheering that at last the family caring issue had been addressed (which was one of the main things I was looking for in the Budget, being a disability policy enthusiast) but shortly after that realising…</p>
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						It's not odd at all &ndash; we only 'supposedly' support many principles, but like reeds in the wind, our politicians are only too eager to throw principle to the wolves of convenience and connivence. Foreshore & seabed and the ignorance of relevant UN treaties to which NZ has signed up to…
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						This whole thing just makes me so impotently furious. And the impotence just makes me more furious. Seriously, what can be done? Pretty much fucking <strong>nothing</strong>, as best I can tell, because these fuckers sure don't give a fuck about public opinion. And I'm quite certain that nowhere near enough…
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						<p><q>There is something lurking deep at the seat of all this evil.</q></p><p>In the very bowels...</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<q>In the case of so many policies national is rejecting ATM – food in schools, extended paid parental leave, or non-discriminatory home-care for the disabled – the costs are not unaffordable. Its just that these things rank behind irrigation subsidies to farmers and low taxes on the rich in National’s…</q>
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				<title>Michael Homer</title>
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						<p><q>It would be a very odd RIS that consisted entirely of legal advice (especially on something like the carer legislation). The cost-benefit aspects should be releasable</q><br />Most of the statement isn't blacked out &ndash; just a couple of whole pages, several isolated paragraphs and parts of sentences, and an entire…</p>
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						And Whitlam was just too slow. Mutually Assured Dismissal as <a href="http://holdenrepublic.blogspot.co.nz/2005/12/mad-mutually-assured-dismissal.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lewis Holden called it</a>. If Whitlam had fired Kerr first and appointed a more favourable G-G, he'd have stayed in office (until the yanks invaded or the Aussies voted him out, anyway).
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						<p>New Zealand was not "an independent Commonwealth realm" before 1947, but a quasi-colony under British suzerainty. </p><p>Britain appointed the Governor and then the Governor-General [EDIT: they were called G-G before they became independent of the UK] and directed the delay or veto of legislation. Note that it was not the…</p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p><q>I'd welcome any journo drilling in to why Ryall has fought this so hard and so long.</q></p><p>There is something lurking deep at the seat of all this evil.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>A friend of mine’s quip on Facebook. In two senses, he’s absolutely right. The first is that anything that is being redacted is almost certainly something that should have been highlighted, and the second is that by redacting the entire thing they’ve highlighted just what they’ve done.</q></p><p>That's an awesome…</p>
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						<p><q>As I understand it the GG is actually appointed by the queen, albeit on the PM's advice. So Key would not be able to replace him if HM refused to play ball.</q></p><p>They're also sacked by the queen on the PM's advice. For the monarch to refuse to act on…</p>
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						<q>I have lived outside NZ for a long time now so it's very possible that I've lost touch with these things, but isn't $65 million a very small amount as far as budgets go? Among the various billions listed in national budgets, roughly $40 million in savings seems like such…</q>
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				<title>Andrew Geddis</title>
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						<p>Gareth,</p><p>Yes. It is pretty small beer.</p><p>You may well think that the Government is motivated more by petty resentment at being forced into doing anything by the Courts than actual concrete concerns with the policy, but I couldn't possibly comment.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>If I was presented something to put my name to that had huge amounts it blanked out but was still legally binding, I'd ask some pretty pointed questions about it.</q></p><p>Word, I just wrote pretty much that, then deleted it because I wasn't sure at all on your second speculation.…</p>
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						Don't know what to make of this move. Presumably this kind of action sets precedent for Labour to also do similar things. Isn't it the kind of thing they save up for a last term?
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				<title>Roger Lacey</title>
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						If I was presented something to put my name to that had huge amounts it blanked out but was still legally binding, I'd ask some pretty pointed questions about it. Why on earth did MPs vote for legislation that they couldn't read? It leads me to wonder if most MPs…
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				<title>Susannah Shepherd</title>
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						<p><q>Does anyone know why the redacted parts couldn’t be got by an OIA request?</p><p>You can try, but they will likely withhold it as legal advice. That withholding ground is one of the stronger ones, and it would take an exceptionally strong public interest, or an implicit waiver of advice…</q></p>
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				<title>Gareth Swain</title>
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						<p>Thanks to Sacha, Bart, and Yamis.</p><p>Thought so.</p>
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						Erm. Sort of --- see Whitlam.
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>No Governor  General refused assent in 300 years /<br />Hardly!<br />  "In the period during which Britain had such powers (1854-1947) it blocked important legislation on a number of occasions. The power of royal assent was used to prevent thirteen pieces of legislation from 1856 to 1910."</p><p><a href="http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/HowPWorks/FactSheets/5/b/8/00PlibFactsheetRefusalAssent1-Refusal-of-assent-a-hidden-element-of.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/HowPWorks/FactSheets/5/b/8/00PlibFactsheetRefusalAssent1-Refusal-of-assent-a-hidden-element-of.htm</a></p>
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						"Appointed on advice of PM" means "appointed by PM". The Queen is no more likely to refuse such advice than the PM's pen is to jump out of his hand and stab him in the neck.
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>"Vivids as highlighters"</p><p>I think that an onion article, from back when it was funny, has been doing the rounds in the past few weeks, and it did feel a bit like life imitating satire when the news of this came out.<br /><a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/cia-realizes-its-been-using-black-highlighters-all,1848/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.theonion.com/articles/cia-realizes-its-been-using-black-highlighters-all,1848/</a></p>
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						<q>I have lived outside NZ for a long time now so it's very possible that I've lost touch with these things, but isn't $65 million a very small amount as far as budgets go? Among the various billions listed in national budgets, roughly $40 million in savings seems like such…</q>
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				<title>Dave Waugh</title>
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						Wasn't the Privy Council replaced by the Supreme court?
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				<title>Michael Roberts</title>
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						<p>As I understand it the GG is actually appointed by the queen, albeit on the PM's advice. So Key would not be able to replace him if HM refused to play ball.</p><p>Incidently, does the legislation preventing intervention by the courts apply to the Privy Council also?</p>
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						<p><q><br />National then realised someone had labelled the vivids as highlighters<br /></q></p><p>A friend of mine's quip on Facebook. In two senses, he's absolutely right. The first is that anything that is being redacted is almost certainly something that should have been highlighted, and the second is that by redacting the entire…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						NZ had particularly strong input into drafting the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and possibly the last act of the Labour government was passing the Disabilities Act which ensured all our law was compliant and the Convention ratified. Since then it has become obvious that there…
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						<p><q> but isn’t $65 million a very small amount as far as budgets go?</q></p><p>Yes but ... that calculation assumes they are able to pay minimum wage. Since professional caregivers are paid more than minimum wage then again the govt could have been challenged to force them to pay the same…</p>
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				<title>Mike O&#039;Connell</title>
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						<p><q>The Council Plan was thrown out by CERA, who produced their own Plan</q></p><p>And as No Right Turn blogs today, this is <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/not-acceptable.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Not Acceptable</a>.  </p><p><q>What gets built in Christchurch should be up to the people of Christchurch, not dictated by a Minister in Wellington. Sadly National still doesn't…</q></p>
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				<title>Alison McCulloch</title>
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						Oh wow. I can't keep up with all this steam-rollering. Thanks for this Keith. [Sits and stares pathetically at screen with mouth agape.]
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>It is trifling &ndash; which shows the concern is not really about the sum as much as the value they think it returns. And the 'morality'. </p><p>I'd welcome any journo drilling in to why Ryall has fought this so hard and so long.</p>
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				<title>Gareth Swain</title>
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						<p>I have a question.</p><p>The Herald article says<br /><q>$23 million would be allocated in the Budget to pay people who cared for a disabled adult family member [but] the new policy did not extend payments to spouses of disabled adults or parents of disabled children. [...] If payments were extended…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Tories can’t do numbers? How many of the swingers can they severely piss off and win in 2014?</q></p><p>I was thinking more that the situation mirrors that of America &ndash; the Democrats' support core is in the big metros, while the Republicans dominate the suburbs and rural areas. And we…</p>
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						<p><q>That's not that odd. We're not a party to the optional protocols allowing complaints to UN bodies about a bunch of the international treaties to which we are party.</q></p><p>Its odd in that it sits badly with our supposed support for human rights and international law.</p>
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						<p>It's quite interesting, because one of the imaginary parts of our constitution is the requirement on government to observe the Treaty. If the government wanted to, it could revert to treating it as a "mere nullity".</p><p>You would have thought the Maori Party might be a bit more vigilant about…</p>
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						<p><q>So, how are we supposed to make any kind of change?</q></p><p>Once again, the <a href="http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Black Triangle Campaign</a> in Britain provides a template.</p>
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				<title>Dave Waugh</title>
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						Well that appears to (continue to) say "Much like ACT and United Future, the Maori party is a party for hire".
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						Tories can't do numbers? How many of the swingers can they severely piss off and win in 2014?
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>What does that say?</q><br />Asleep at the wheel? And that's the <em>kindest</em>  interpretation :(</p>
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				<title>Erin</title>
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						<p>Even more interesting is that the Minister for Disability Issues is the co-leader of the Maori party, which voted this through... </p><p>What does that say?</p>
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						<p>As a disabled person and someone currently studying towards a law degree, this is alarming to me on many levels.</p><p>Aside from the fact that this Government has clearly shown that they consider disabled people nothing more than a financial burden to society, and therefore a group underserving of the…</p>
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						<p><q>It defies logic for a city to be bursting at the seams while the rest of the country seemingly empties out</q></p><p>More than half of NZ's population has lived in cities for over a century now, despite the rural myth we continue with. </p><p>However we only have one world-scale city.…</p>
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				<title>Andrew Geddis</title>
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						<p>Ianmac,</p><p>Technically, the legislation was part of the budget, hence covered by the MP's agreement for confidence and supply.</p><p>That, and they wouldn't have read it before voting.</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Must ask one of the party, why?</q></p><p>Just as long as you don’t ask Pita Sharples, he won’t have a clue why.</p>
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						Interesting that apparently the Maori Party voted this through. Must ask one of the party, why?
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						<p>This is fucking scary. Here in Canterbury we’ve been treated to a preview of the nominal democracy y’all will be getting. </p><p>Our regional council was placed under statutory management in 2010, because it did not simply rubberstamp massive new irrigation projects. The dry Canterbury Plains, perfect for arable farming, are…</p>
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						<p>though the legislation itself is described in the Herald article (para 2) merely as<br /><q>Legislation which allowed people who cared for disabled family members to get paid by Government</q><br />which gives prominence to [the Government’s] spin regarding what the bill accomplishes (and what its opponents oppose), <br />and which, regardless of…</p>
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						<p>“It defies logic for a city to bursting at the seams…”</p><p>Actually, it’s perfectly logical. It has been the continued trajectory of human social evolution for 10,000 years. There have been some attempts at reversing urbanisation – e.g Cambodia – but none successful AFAIK.</p>
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						<p><q>Mentioned in passing on Stuff. The Granny was a bit better, but not headline stuff.</q></p><p>Stop Press: <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10884835" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Govt slammed over censored caregiver legislation</a></p>
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						<p><q>this government is ideologically opposed to plans.</q></p><p>Unless of course, the plan involves effectively raising the barriers to entry to full participation in society. Just like a cartel from a high school economics textbook.</p>
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						<p>before the civilian steals my thunder.. </p><p><a href="http://aboutown.tumblr.com/post/50868745451/bill-english-vetos-election" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://aboutown.tumblr.com/post/50868745451/bill-english-vetos-election</a></p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>It defies logic for a city to be bursting at the seams while the rest of the country seemingly empties out.</q></p><p>doing something about it either way requires a plan, and as their opposition to the UP and PT and any  regional development plan indicates, this government is ideologically opposed…</p>
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						<p><q>Add to that taking over Christchurch, New Zealand’s second-largest city.</q></p><p>Add to that condescending indifference at best towards Wellington. That means the usual suspects are effectively offside with NZ's 3 biggest cities &ndash; notice a pattern here?</p>
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						<p>The whole thing is part of the wider issue of Auckland being dragged kicking &amp; screaming from overgrown country town to proper globalised city.</p><p>It defies logic for a city to be bursting at the seams while the rest of the country seemingly empties out. Unless of course, you're setting up…</p>
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						<q>Clare Curran .... her Pundit column on Geddis, the Crown Minerals Act and various other elisions of democracy is worth reading</q>Add to that taking over Christchurch, New Zealand's second-largest city.
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p><q>I think the council is explaining this poorly, but I don’t think there has been intent to deceive.</q></p><p>Perhaps.  But maybe you had to be there.  When someone stands up and says 3 stories are possible and are told, no its 2, that's a bit worse than mumbling your words…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>We’re oddly not a party to the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (which allows international complaints)</q></p><p>That's not that odd. We're not a party to the optional protocols allowing complaints to UN bodies about a bunch of the international treaties to which we…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Clare Curran usually hyperventilates a bit much for my liking, but her Pundit column on Geddis, the Crown Minerals Act and various other elisions of democracy is worth reading.</q></p><p>Claire Browning =/= Clare Curran.</p>
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						<p><q>what the fucking fuck!<br />this is WRONG and yes i actually yelled at my computer</q> Plus fucking one.</p>
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						<p><q>Clare Curran usually hyperventilates a bit much for my liking, but her Pundit column on Geddis, the Crown Minerals Act and various other elisions of democracy is worth reading</q></p><p>That would be Claire Browning.</p>
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						<p><q>Not even the Ombudsman can do anything? If worst comes to worst, what possibility of going to the UN Human Rights Council or the World Court?</q></p><p>The Ombudsman is not a court or tribunal, and so still has jurisdiction. They might very well find that a family care policy was…</p>
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						<q>Not sure its all been one way in that regard Tom. I went to a meeting about the Unitary Plan in Beachhaven about a week ago, and the officers there still, despite being repeatedly told by members of the public present that 3 stories was possible, tried really really hard…</q>
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						<p>what the fucking fuck!<br />this is WRONG and yes i actually yelled at my computer</p>
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						<p><q>Does anyone know why the redacted parts couldn't be got by an OIA request?</q></p><p>You can try, but they will likely withhold it as legal advice. That withholding ground is one of the stronger ones, and it would take an exceptionally strong public interest, or an implicit waiver of advice…</p>
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						<p><q>The manipulative dishonesty of it's opponents and the disingenuous outrage</q></p><p>Not sure its all been one way in that regard Tom. I went to a meeting about the Unitary Plan in Beachhaven about a week ago, and the officers there still, despite being repeatedly told by members of the public…</p>
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				<title>Tristan</title>
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						<p>And Tony Ryall has the gall to crow about it!</p><p>from his twitter...<br />@TonyRyallMP <br />Tonight NZ becomes only 3rd country in world to pay wages to some family carers of disabled adults. $92m over 4 years.</p><p>and <br />‏@TonyRyallMP <br />Wow! Labour and Greens vote against supporting parents who care for adult…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Queen of Thorns also responds to Geddis <a href="http://ideologicallyimpure.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/and-yet-still-no-sign-of-the-heralds-democracy-under-attack-banner/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">in her inimitable style</a>:</p><p><q>I’d just like to end with a little thought experiment for the class: imagine that Labour were in power and passed <em>any</em> legislation – say, to plant more native trees on public land, or to make it illegal to…</q></p>
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				<title>Mick Rose</title>
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						<p>I fear wide screen TV's and iPhones will rule the day for some days yet.  </p><p>The problem is less the hideous bunch of clowns currently in power than the number of our fellow citizens who are enamoured with them.  It's not as if Key and co's ruthless "pragmatism", lack of…</p>
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						<p><BLOODY BIG I WAS A DISTRACTED LOON TODAY EDIT IN THE INTERESTS OF GETTING SOMEONE’S NAME RIGHT FINALLY.></p><p><a href="http://pundit.co.nz/content/kicking-the-tyres-from-beneath-new-zealand" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Claire Browning’s Pundit column on Geddis, the Crown Minerals Act and various other elisions of democracy</a> is worth reading.</p>
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						<p><q>Ominous. Arrogant Governance. Serious assault on the people of NZ. Nearly 9,000 visits to Andrew Geddis’s post on Pundit. <br />And on the MSM? Nothing. (I think it got a mention on National Radio news on Saturday then silence.)<br />What to do about it.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8690648/MP-gets-dressing-down-in-House" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mentioned in passing</a> on Stuff. The Granny…</p>
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						<p><q>Well, he’s a member of Cabinet, so he has to:</q><br /> ... swallow a few dead rats? <br />Yeah. But I think this one may have been poisoned.</p>
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						<q>This is an important point. I'm a carer now for my husband who is sinking deeper and deeper into dementia. We are being helped by a variety of organisations both public and charity-based. They are all stretched &ndash; aged care is a growth area &ndash; but I've found them good…</q>
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				<title>Matthew Holloway</title>
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						<p>There's also a .doc file here with a few more metadata fields (author etc.) but unfortunately no edit history,</p><p><a href="http://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/regulatory-impact-statement-government-response-family-carers-case.doc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/regulatory-impact-statement-government-response-family-carers-case.doc</a></p>
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				<title>Ana Simkiss</title>
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						<p>You are right that the constitution is unwritten, but to overturn the principle of parliamentary sovereignty would violate the most fundamental principle of that constitution. </p><p>Put another way, a court overturning Parliament-made law for violating the constitution would itself be violating the contstitution.</p><p>(prepares for Edgeler schooling on constitutional law)</p>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p><q>However it would seem he has voted for it anyway. </q></p><p>Well, he's a member of Cabinet, so he has to: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_collective_responsibility" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_collective_responsibility</a></p>
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						<p><q>Stuff off.</q></p><p>I would've thought my subsequent suggestion of kneecapping children showed I was exaggerating for comic effect, but I guess not.</p>
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						<p>Today’s adventures in RIS redaction …</p><p><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/135573/no-breach-of-international-law-in-minerals-bill-bridges" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Simon Bridges flatly denies Moana Mackey’s claim</a> that the legal advice on amendments to the Crown Minerals Act (which somehow needs correcting a month after it was passed) was that they were in breach of international law.</p><p>But [[http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2555653/simon-bridges-rejects-allegations-mining-legislation-breaks-law|the minister cannot explain why the…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Please explain. This is not my understanding.</q></p><p>The doctrine of parliamentary supremacy was created by the Courts.</p>
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						<p><q>Please explain. This is not my understanding</q><br />Short explanation- we don't have a written constitution. So parliamentary sovereignty is just as a much a loose arrangement of precedent and custom as judicial independence... ?</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Sorry Graeme, you are right. Wrote in haste. But it comes under Justice which is why appointment to it comes under Judith Collins.
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						<blockquote><p>The doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty/supremacy is precisely that, a doctrine. It's not enshrined in law. The Courts could, in a suitable case, actually strike down legislation as being unconstitutional.</p></blockquote><p>Please explain.  This is not my understanding.</p>
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						Statement from the Human Rights Commission <a href="http://www.hrc.co.nz/2013/commission-concerned-new-family-carer-legislation-will-compromise-disability-rights" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.hrc.co.nz/2013/commission-concerned-new-family-carer-legislation-will-compromise-disability-rights</a>
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						<p>Ominous. Arrogant Governance. Serious assault on the people of NZ. Nearly 9,000 visits to Andrew Geddis's post on Pundit. <br />And on the MSM? Nothing. (I think it got a mention on National Radio news on Saturday then silence.)<br />What to do about it.</p>
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						<p><q>Also, unless conservatives know someone who’s in the position of caring for a disabled person, they don’t care.</q></p><p>Stuff off.</p>
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						<p><q>But it has been stuck in the process for a year or so while the Human Rights Review Tribunal (which is in the Ministry of Justice) decides whether to put resources into the case.</q></p><p>I think you mean the Office of Human Rights Proceedings. And it's an independent office within…</p>
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						<p><q>The issue then becomes, of course, whether there are any judges in NZ with the necessary colonels…..</q></p><p>The way things are going, edited for truth...</p>
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						<p><q>    some of his attitudes are “of his age” but otherwise reasonable.</p><p>As in the ‘bring back Rob Muldoon’ age?</q></p><p>No. More along the lines of views I would describe as racist, yet he does not consider himself racist and when challenged he is willing to change his views but his…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>genuine conservatives who vote National would find this stuff troubling</q><br />Yes. I’ll be writing to my MP (Amy Adams, who is/was a lawyer) to ask for an explanation. <br />But. Chris Findlayson, for example, seems to have ‘found it troubling’. He concludes this limitation of rights is <a href="http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/AA77E2DE-286C-48B5-94DF-FB57294AE667/271035/DBHOH_PAP_24598_AttorneyGeneralReportoftheunderthe.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">unjustified</a>… However it would…</p>
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						<p>National's supporters don't care about the urgency thing. They voted for a Government to get things done, and they are. Democratic process is for pussies.</p><p>Also, unless conservatives know someone who's in the position of caring for a disabled person, they don't care. So obviously the solution is to kneecap…</p>
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						The doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty/supremacy is precisely that, a doctrine.  It's not enshrined in law.  The Courts could, in a suitable case, actually strike down legislation as being unconstitutional.  This is probably a suitable case.  The issue then becomes, of course, whether there are any judges in NZ with the…
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						<p><q>Tom, none of that works against a determined government. Parliament is sovereign and can override any previous legislation, including the 1689 Bill Of Rights.</p><p>To illustrate what our unconstitution allows, you might think that there must be an election in 18 months and that's entrenched? Nah. The government could, in…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Does anyone know why the redacted parts couldn't be got by an OIA request?</q></p><p>It's legally privileged &ndash; they don't have to provide it under the OIA.</p>
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						<p>I reckon some of the genuine conservatives who vote National would find this stuff troubling. And those cries of 'nanny state' about trivia like lightbulbs seemed to energise them. </p><p>But there are plenty of others who can be mobilised to get out and vote, and to take action in the…</p>
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						<p>But closer to Italy or Greece. It's entirely possible that if and when the Chinese economy crashes, the NZ financial system is going to come under a lot of stress, and a government might feel justified in extraordinary measures to restore "stability". </p><p>The CERA law could be seen as just…</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						Sacha: National's voters don't pay attention to any of this. A vast proportion of them wouldn't understand the constitutional issues here if you explained it slowly with few words and short sentences. They don't care.
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						<p><q>Even though disabled people make up about 20% of the population and the likelihood that everyone will probably either require care or be a carer sometime in their adult life, we have no academic departments focussed on disability policy.</q></p><p>This is an important point. I'm a carer now for my…</p>
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						We are a very short way from Fiji in that sense. Beware McCully getting ideas..
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						<p><q>You think a government that doesn’t respect its own institutions is going to be worried about those ones? Now if the US or China threatened our trade or banking in any way..</q></p><p>We have to start somewhere. The <a href="http://blacktrianglecampaign.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Black Triangle Campaign</a> in Britain offers a pointer in the right…</p>
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