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				<title>robbery</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the US is long bankrupt.</p></blockquote><p>That's an interesting concept.<br />The country as in govt is in deep shit but in funding the wars they took govt money and paid it to american war mongers, so while many american's are broke, some american's are loaded.<br />a bit of income redistribution through…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:35:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<p>One small advantage of the financial crisis is the emergence of lovely little used words. ’Trillion’ I think of as a sort of nonsense word that you used in the playground to mean ‘lots and lots’ or unimaginable numbers like the distance between galaxies.</p><p>John Key used the noun ‘contagion’…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:16:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>are you joking?<br />the US is long bankrupt.</p></blockquote><p>Definitely morally bankrupt :-)</p><p>I wouldn't get too happy about the US going bankrupt though. You can bet your boots if that happens, everyone else will be bankrupted first.</p><p>On the flipside, bankruptcy is actually the only known safety valve for too…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:25:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>Hippies with calculators have this running total for the US in Iraq.</p><p><a href="http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home</a></p><p>And more US Vets are commiting suicide than soldiers dying overseas.</p><p><a href="http://www.warcomeshome.org/content/%2526quot%3Bshh%21%2526quot%3B....-1%2C000-veterans-attempt-va-attempt-suicide-every-week" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.warcomeshome.org/content/%2526quot%3Bshh%21%2526quot%3B....-1%2C000-veterans-attempt-va-attempt-suicide-every-week</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:22:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How long before the US actually bankrupts itself?</p></blockquote><p>are you joking?<br />the US is long bankrupt.<br />it's just that the creditors continue to pretend that their worthless US Treasury bonds are actually going to be repaid someday.<br />it's a Mexican standoff. A game of "chicken".<br />mutually assured financial destruction, if…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:10:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p>Christ.</p><p>How long before the US actually bankrupts itself? Or does it still have the global clout to zoom down into astounding negative figures and not lose its collective shirt?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:48:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<p>Not strictly relevant to this discussion but I’ll pop it in here anyway. Via Andrew Sullivan there is a link to a <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/big-bailouts-bigger-bucks/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bianco Research</a> estimate of the cost (so far) of the U.S. bailout in relation to other big government spends.</p><blockquote><p>If we add in the Citi bailout, the total…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:34:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Drummond</title>
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						<p>Late to the party, as usual. <br />Welcome back, Keith! <br />Please, post often.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:43:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>I think it is only during the onset of a recession you really begin to see the attractions of short termist populist measures.</blockquote> Yesterday I saw plans for Xmas, shopping lists for xmas gifts and restaurant bookings. On my way home , petrol $1.43 a litre. Going down!
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:52:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						I must admit there are superficial attractions to a tax cut led propping up of consumption, if purely for the fact that this is the kind of world I've been living in as an adult. I can just remember what it was like before that, as a child in a…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:29:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Robeson</title>
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						<p>Keith is back. </p><p>does that mean the other half of the antipodean crime fighting will also be seen?</p><p>I have to say, and it may not be popular, but I kind of resent that Public Address has too become a sport swamped place. It used to be a place to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:47:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>...the <a href="http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11326549" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">low hanging fruit</a> of the energy sector. </p><p>In a feted University of Otago <a href="http://www.otago.ac.nz/wsmhs/academic/dph/research/housing/insulation.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">study</a> (<a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/rapidpdf/bmj.39070.573032.80v1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BMJ, PDF</a>), the health and other benefits were found to be significant.</p><blockquote><p>A conservative cost-benefit analysis of this intervention<br />trial indicated that the tangible health and<br />energy benefits outweighed the costs by a factor<br />approaching…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:35:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Back on topic</p><blockquote><p>Sixteen hundred more New Zealanders die every winter than during other seasons, with researchers pinning part of the blame on cold, damp and poorly maintained homes.</p></blockquote><p>That's a lot of excess mortality, a lot of preventable sickness, and a lot of cold children and elderly.</p><p>Not for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:16:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Nation states are for the benefit of their citizens, not the other way round. States and their governments don't have a right to our loyalty and support, they have to earn it.</p><p>It's the job of the opposition parties to oppose the bad things that National do. Like [[http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2008/11/repealing-bail.html|locking up…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:52:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It happens going from one page to the next &ndash; like p2 to p3 &ndash; and it only started yesterday.</p></blockquote><p>Has someone bought a load balancer?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:01:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						further to what Sacha was saying, twice when i tried to post a comment yesterday the comment disappeared and i was logged out. the third time i was lucky. something is on the blink...maybe it only affects people whose name begins with s...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:04:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						Hmmm. I know this is SUPER OFF TOPIC, but does anyone recall criticism of the reserve bank selling NZD in June last year? Because, uh, <a href="http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/finmarkets/foreignreserves/intervention/0147138.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">following their own policy</a>, I don't think they'll have started buying yet, but they're sitting on a pretty monstrous paper profit by now.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:10:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thanks, Don.  It happens going from one page to the next &ndash; like p2 to p3 &ndash; and it only started yesterday. Might be session handling in general but it sure seems like a change at the Cactus end of things, not my machine.  I'm hoping their developers are susceptible…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:46:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>oh, and while keith is talking rss, is there any chance we could get the entire post sent out?</p><p>googlereader only captures the first sentence or so, and with work blocking the site, i'm not getting any reading done...</p><p>however. they do have kiwiblog. if they don't unblock paddress i'm…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:43:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						welcome back keith, i knew you'd be back on the wagon sooner or later.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:40:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sigh. Russell can you please get your Cactus folk to fix whatever is logging me out today every now and then when I go from one page to another (without having altered a single setting or upgraded any components at my end).</p></blockquote><p>I suspect this has to do with how…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:52:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also &ndash; I need you over here. Bar chart, damnit!</p></blockquote><p>I'm afraid, Graeme, that discrete data can be plotted on a line graph when the sample is a rugby player.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:55:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Interesting thing: no entry for OnPoint has yet reappeared on the PA homepage blogroll (though this post is on the PAS roll). So how permanent is this return, Keith? Is there something we should know?</p></blockquote><p>Interesting thing being how many of your have managed to read it regardless. Are you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:48:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'll get onto it.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Interesting thing: no entry for OnPoint has yet reappeared on the PA homepage blogroll (though this post is on the PAS roll). So how permanent is this return, Keith? Is there something we should know?</p></blockquote><p>Don't fret. He took me a bit by surprise. He'll be back on the masthead…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:11:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sigh. Russell can you please get your Cactus folk to fix whatever is logging me out today every now and then when I go from one page to another (without having altered a single setting or upgraded any components at my end).</p></blockquote><p>Can you email me with details &mdash; OS,…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Sigh. Russell can you please get your Cactus folk to fix whatever is logging me out today every now and then when I go from one page to another (without having altered a single setting or upgraded any components at my end).  </p><p>Something seems to have gone astray with their…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:59:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I might be misinterpreting this but, if you mean the US, their domestic economy is huge... therefore a much more effective buffer against a downturn in offshore demand. They also have a much more diverse trade profile, less dependent on commodities etc.</p></blockquote><p>;-) yup. I was joking. I don't think…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:22:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the richest nation on the planet</p></blockquote><p>you mean the one that's on the brink of bankruptcy and default?</p><blockquote><p>maybe it's not the end of the world</p></blockquote><p>but might we be nearing the end of the world's largest dysfunctional economy?</p><p>(Iceland x 1000, anyone?)</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Interesting thing: no entry for OnPoint has yet reappeared on the PA homepage blogroll (though this post <em>is</em> on the PAS roll). So how permanent is this return, Keith? Is there something we should know?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:50:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Tax cuts can be a problem if, instead of spending the money, people just save it.</p></blockquote><p>You can avoid this if, instead of giving tax cuts, you throw the money at infrastructure projects etc. You can stimulate a lot of growth, particularly in a low population region by building stuff.…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The process may increase my typos...</p></blockquote><p>I wonder what response I'll get it I explain my typos at work with detailed and salacious explanations of kink...?</p><blockquote><p>The curious thing about the terrible balance of trade is that the very worst offender for this kind of the thing is also the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>it was rather the point.</p></blockquote><p>Heh, ic...cause of the last guy. But it unfairly slurs the next guy too.</p><p>The curious thing about the terrible balance of trade is that the very worst offender for this kind of the thing is also the richest nation on the planet. Which kind…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The process may increase my typos...</p></blockquote><p>It would also boost Russelll's readership quite a bit, I would think. But let's not digress.</p><blockquote><p>The focus on stimulating domestic demand makes sense in the short-term, but the domestic economy is small. Longer-term NZ has too boost trade... thankfully McCully's just the man…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What he said... perhaps if it gets kinky but, Ms Hart will at least write about it?</p></blockquote><p>The process may increase my typos...</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Quick! Somebody chain that woman to her computer (but not in a kinky way).</p></blockquote><p>What he said... perhaps if it gets kinky but, Ms Hart will at least write about it?</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						I'm equally unqualified to offer too many views about what to do next, but I will ask why the PMs focus is on tourism? Tourism's high impact and low yield by comparison with other strategies for boosting GDP. It is, however, easier than improving exports. NZ has the low trade-intensity,…
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yay, Keith's back from his re-education program!</p><p>I'll get my coat.</p></blockquote><p>Quick! Somebody chain that woman to her computer (but not in a kinky way).</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Hi Ben</p><blockquote><p>Was POTUS the final conclusion for an acronym for the recession? I didn't get a vote,</p></blockquote><p>Vote??? heh that was just my suggestion and yes I was aware of the other meaning for the acronym &ndash; it was rather the point.</p><p>But I don't expect it will catch…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Was POTUS the final conclusion for an acronym for the recession? I didn't get a vote, if I did it would be against that acronym, since it already stands for "President Of The US".</p><p>Bart I agree with all of that. The only way I can see NZ breaking out…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Declaration first: I am NOT an economist, my knowledge in this area is limited to some general reading and listening to friends whom I trust, friends who DO know what they are talking about. So my comments are more for discussion than made from certainty.</p><blockquote><p>Speaking personally, my answer to…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Act wants the action and they're getting but are going to have to watch they don't talk themselves into a corner if they're raising the volume on Issues National knows are poll poison.</p></blockquote><p>Or a molotov magnet.</p><blockquote><p>What makes me think that the Key/Hide relationship will be much like the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<p>Welcome back, Keith.</p><p>What makes me think that the Key/Hide relationship will be much like the Lange/Douglas one?</p>
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				<title>underscore_b</title>
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						<p>Tim summed up very succinctly everything that I was about to post, so I'll just say welcome back.</p><p>Welcome back Keith!</p>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						<p>Welcome back Keith!</p><p>See what happens when you don't blog an election..?</p><p>On the National/Act policy tango, I think National is more than happy to have someone pushing them on right wing issues as moving to the centre would've been an uncomfortable necessity to many in the party and its…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why waste breath when those that can possibly affect things have already made up their minds, and those that care but can't affect things become paralysed with cynicism and ennui.</p></blockquote><p>You have a point. Why talk about the apocalypse, just run! Or eat, drink and be merry.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>Yay, Keith's back from his re-education program!</p><p>I'll get my coat.</p>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<p>Ben,</p><p>No-one listens to us out here anyway ;)</p><p>Why waste breath when those that can possibly affect things have already made up their minds, and those that care but can't affect things become paralysed with cynicism and ennui.</p>
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						I'm beginning to wonder if the title to this thread was not sarcastic. No one does actually want to talk about the economy. I guess we leave it to the Nats to work out then, eh?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Ah but would you be prepared to move to the arid wastelands of Epsom?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:47:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If National were to dump Act in two years' time, I'd be tempted to vote for them in a glorious act of schadenfreude.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, the wailing there would be from some quarters. How can we make it so?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:36:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If National were to dump Act in two years' time,</p></blockquote><p>If National dumps Act and runs a strong candidate in Epsom, I'm not sure Act gets back into Parliament. I'm sure it will get mentioned in the odd heated meeting.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:30:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>I don’t trust or distrust John Key. His agenda is pretty straightforward, and he’s made enough commitments to lock himself into a centrist agenda for the first term. He’s shown with his coalition deals that he’s aiming to be there for a while, and if there’s anything I trust, it’s…</blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Aha! So you have some goods on them.</p></blockquote><p>Or they on him..  :)</p><p>I already said Yay on another thread, but it bears repeating.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:20:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not sure what an orange cloud would be symbolic of, however.</p></blockquote><p>I'd probably invest in a badass umbrella (ella ella! ehh ehh ehh!... ahem, sorry, damn Rihanna-brain) at that point.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:13:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not sure what an orange cloud would be symbolic of, however.</p></blockquote><p>I'm guessing sunset. Or the apocalypse.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:09:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How can you have a blue cloud James? Apart from anything else, it would very difficult to see against the background.</p></blockquote><p>It would be pretty obvious on an otherwise overcast day, if all the rest of the clouds were grey. or orange for that matter. I'm not sure what an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:04:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How can you have a blue cloud James? Apart from anything else, it would very difficult to see against the background.</p></blockquote><p>So how do you know there aren't blue clouds?  Maybe there's lots of them, but you've always mistaken them for part of the sky.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The most depressing thing to me about this depression for NZ is that right now is exactly when the entire nation needs to be <em>getting real</em> about what the hell are we going to do. But unfortunately the way our elections work, the exact opposite has happened, the nation goes…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						How can you have a blue cloud James? Apart from anything else, it would very difficult to see against the background.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:54:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p>So apparently there is a silver lining to the blue cloud.<br />wb Keith!</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>Welcome back Keith.</p><p>Looking forward to more in the future...</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						Beer damnit!
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I made you a bar chart</p></blockquote><p>I think he wanted you to admit that you were wrong. And buy everyone beer.</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p>I don't whether to be uplifted or downturned...</p><blockquote><p>Keith's back! I'm making my happy face.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, me too!</p><blockquote><p>Bar chart, damnit!</p></blockquote><p>I made you a bar chart</p>
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				<title>The ex-expat</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-there-is-no-depression-in-new-zealand/?p=82439#post82439</link>
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						Welcome back Keith!
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:14:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-there-is-no-depression-in-new-zealand/?p=82434#post82434</link>
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						<blockquote><p>The reason was simple: I wanted to peek behind the curtain, and see what goes on in the heart of the machine.</p></blockquote><p><em>So it wasn't the money?</em></p><p>Also &ndash; I need you <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,1528,field_theory_on_averages.sm?p=82278#post82278" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">over here</a>. Bar chart, damnit!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:58:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm afraid that I won't be writing about my time inside.</p></blockquote><p>Aha! So you have some goods on them.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:42:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						I'm so happy I'm not even going to read the post.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:20:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-there-is-no-depression-in-new-zealand/?p=82420#post82420</link>
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						Keith! Keith! KEITH!!!
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:24:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-there-is-no-depression-in-new-zealand/?p=82419#post82419</link>
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						Keith's back!  I'm making my happy face.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:40:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:40:28 +1300</pubDate>
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