Public Address | Cafe | OnPoint: The Source https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273046#post273046 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273046#post273046 A better way to f..k up an organisation is to...
I think there could be an instuctable in that.
Another good way of screwing with a large organisation is to reply to a letter that they never sent, works wonders.
;-)

]]> Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:03:39 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273020#post273020 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273020#post273020 It’s all symptomatic of a system that combines the worst of both worlds: bureaucratic unaccountability coupled with nouveau riche greed.

Hang on, I'll just add that to my list. Of things to look out for.
I'd rather we read poems to each other.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:22:44 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273017#post273017 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273017#post273017 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:00:12 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273010#post273010 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273010#post273010 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:26:54 +1300 Matthew Smith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273004#post273004 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273004#post273004 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:09:18 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273003#post273003 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273003#post273003 They'd have (one hopes) backups to restore from.

A better way to f..k up an organisation is to install scripts that gradually make subtle changes, like altering decimal values in a database table. By the time they find out, the backups will have rolled over.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:51:44 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273002#post273002 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=273002#post273002 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:47:57 +1300 Matthew Smith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272989#post272989 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272989#post272989 access to all of MSD's files. Could you (or anyone else) have deleted all of MSD's files? ]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:04:16 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272977#post272977 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272977#post272977 So pretty your plague ditty.

Ministry of Severe Discontent? Ministry of Suffering Denizens?

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:59:12 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272942#post272942 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272942#post272942 the Massively Swollen Dongle,are you being servered?

I read that as…
“the Massively Swollen Dongle,are you being severed?”
Shades of Lorena Bobbit glimpsed from the corner of a watering eye.
My Strength Dissipates


eta.
As always Ian, splendid stuff... ;-)

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:35:23 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272937#post272937 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272937#post272937 Data Ng-ja?
…visions of Keith running from the Dole office (for that is what it should be called) with a Massively Swollen Dongle
I see what you did there
Dole with Ng in = dongle
nice device…
;- )

this illustrated fable is writing itself in the cloud:
**Dongle Keyhost…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:21:59 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272929#post272929 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272929#post272929 Ministry of Social Dislocation

I hear rumour that Ms Benefit refers to her pet Ministry as "My Sweet Dystopia" but don't quote me on that'
I keep having visions of Keith running from the Dole office (for that is what it should be called) with a Massively Swollen Dongle full…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:45:10 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272927#post272927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272927#post272927 Muppets Sit and Dither

my fave so far

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:39:57 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272926#post272926 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272926#post272926 aaah! But the upside of that,
is that it can’t fall any further….

Unless of course, there's quicksand.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:35:55 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272924#post272924 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272924#post272924 ...given its ambulance-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff approach.
aaah! But the upside of that,
is that it can't fall any further....

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:31:21 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272923#post272923 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272923#post272923 I have no such feeling for the commander of the Ministry of Social Dysfunction which is responsible for this Massive Storage Dislication caused by the worship of the Mighty Silver Dollar. I fear that someone May Surely Die while these Muppets Sit and Dither.

There’s also Ministry of Social Dislocation,…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:28:17 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272922#post272922 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272922#post272922 My recollection is that Helen Clark got rid of the WINZ moniker quite early

And in good Socialist order employed thousands of people with erasers to correct the letterheads and signage. Oh how I miss Miss Helen. :-(
I have no such feeling for the commander of the Ministry of…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:18:42 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272919#post272919 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272919#post272919 And it wasn’t meant to be. If you do decide to shed that name, giz a yell and I can sort it.

Oh good, cause I was thinking of changing mine to Keith Ng.

We are all Keith Ngs.

Well, we all want to be. ;-)

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:02:41 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272918#post272918 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272918#post272918 I implore you to go get some fresh air and get off the computer.
...or at least get a negative ion generator...

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:53:02 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272917#post272917 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272917#post272917 The Press's anoneditorialist weighs in with the Planet Key approach...
Last week's warning, by one of the people originally arrested during the Urewera raids, was admittedly vague and sought payment for further information, but it was treated with a marked lack of urgency. It was only when the matter became…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:51:07 +1300 Michalia Fairydust https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272916#post272916 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272916#post272916 Dear Keith,

Thanks so much for your work on this. You're awesome. And if you are reading this comment, I implore you to go get some fresh air and get off the computer.

Love, Michalia.

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:46:11 +1300 TonyC https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272911#post272911 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272911#post272911 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:05:07 +1300 Stephen Doyle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272909#post272909 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272909#post272909 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:56:22 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272902#post272902 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272902#post272902 The Act Party, that is the party that is the one person,
John Banks, aka the dead cat?
Who's gonna have sex with a dead cat?
But, flogging well that's another story...

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:37:48 +1300 DexterX https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272900#post272900 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272900#post272900 You are a member of the ACT party, and I am going to have sex with you."
"You are a member of the ACT party, but I am going to have sex with you."
Different things.

The Act Party, that is the party that is the one person, very much…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:27:01 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272899#post272899 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272899#post272899 easily Led...
...particularly when there’s an alarming bustling in your hedgerow
are we now escalating this heavenward?
;- )

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:18:39 +1300 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272898#post272898 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272898#post272898 I wonder how much it cost us to change the name to one nobody seems to use?

Dunno. My recollection is that Helen Clark got rid of the WINZ moniker quite early as it was a Jenny Shipley thing that was strongly associated with her and Christine Rankin, with "They…

]]> Wed, 17 Oct 2012 00:40:31 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272897#post272897 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272897#post272897 It's a horrible acronym anyway – here's some things it already does stand for:

Mass Storage Device
Male Sexual Dysfunction
Musculoskeletal Disorder
Master Slave Determination
Multiple Site Damage
Minimum Safe Distance
Mean Sac Diameter
Marble Spleen Disease
Moderate to Severe Disabilities
Motor Speech Disorder
Major System Demonstration

and my favorite…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:57:20 +1300 Trevor Nicholls https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272896#post272896 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272896#post272896 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:40:22 +1300 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272895#post272895 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272895#post272895 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:24:53 +1300 steve black https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272893#post272893 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272893#post272893 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:05:35 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272892#post272892 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272892#post272892 Thanks Russell
Not too unkind

And it wasn't meant to be. If you do decide to shed that name, giz a yell and I can sort it.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:32:18 +1300 Stedmund Bacon https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272890#post272890 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272890#post272890 Thanks Russell
Not too unkind
I note that the eloquent and credible thinkers here Post nakedly.
Let me find my feet – extract them from the Waterlands.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:23 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272889#post272889 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272889#post272889 It's quite unlikely that there'd be competing offices from "Work and Income Molvania" or "Work and Income Falkland Islands".

If there were, I'd go to "Work and Income Switzerland", They get 80% of salary for the first year of unemployment. And a car.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:03 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272888#post272888 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272888#post272888 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:56 +1300 Stedmund Bacon https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272887#post272887 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272887#post272887 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:16:36 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272886#post272886 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272886#post272886 They’re not called WINZ offices now, and it was over 10 years ago when that stopped.

Well I'll be darned, WINZ was an acronym for Work and Income New Zealand and now they just go by the moniker of Work and Income. Seems they are no longer interested in New…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:00:40 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272884#post272884 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272884#post272884 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:40 +1300 Ana Simkiss https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272883#post272883 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272883#post272883 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:47:32 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272882#post272882 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272882#post272882 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:38:59 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272881#post272881 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272881#post272881 The worst part is I'm pretty sure you guys aren't even high.

The internet, man. It's a gateway drug.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:28:11 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272880#post272880 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272880#post272880 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:25:10 +1300 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272879#post272879 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272879#post272879 About 10 years back I had occasion to go to a WINZ office, or whatever they were called back then

They're not called WINZ offices now, and it was over 10 years ago when that stopped. But still the best rebranding ever. The organisation was only called WINZ for a…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:22:18 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272877#post272877 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272877#post272877 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:19:24 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272876#post272876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272876#post272876 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:16:23 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272875#post272875 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272875#post272875 oooooooh, a palpable it.

All the best ones are.

Quite distinct from inplementing you.

Inplementation isn't really my strength. I'm all about the theory.

The worst part is I'm pretty sure you guys aren't even high.

This is the internet. You're pretty sure we're not cats.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:07:33 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272872#post272872 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272872#post272872 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:37:49 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272870#post272870 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272870#post272870 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:03:30 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272867#post272867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272867#post272867 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:54:29 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272866#post272866 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272866#post272866 Yes, only Emma could insult someone by having sex with them.

I think I was just complisulted.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:46:16 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272865#post272865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272865#post272865 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:45:19 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272864#post272864 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272864#post272864 ]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:37:18 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272863#post272863 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272863#post272863 Heh!
With really low life forms at that

They're only just holding onto paua

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:36:11 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272861#post272861 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272861#post272861 That was brilliant.

Yes, only Emma could insult someone by having sex with them.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:34:59 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272860#post272860 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272860#post272860 Different things.

That was brilliant.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:32:30 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272858#post272858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272858#post272858 Oh. I see your point.

I used to belong to ACT u c ;-) I know how they think....they ain't called Randroids for nuthin'

ETA: Oh crap that has innuendo I didn't compute, er... mean.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:22:07 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272857#post272857 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272857#post272857 Yup, I'm sure the ACT member really cares.

Given one is an insult, I'm pretty sure s/he would, yeah. I mean, unless they were really desperate... Oh. I see your point.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:20:54 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272856#post272856 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272856#post272856 Both beastiality though.
Heh!
With really low life forms at that-

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:19:22 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272855#post272855 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272855#post272855 Different things.

Yup, I'm sure the ACT member really cares.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:12:35 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272853#post272853 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272853#post272853 Ok Ok what happened next ?

It's a James Bond script adapted by Harold Pinter, then translated into Hungarian and back.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:03:27 +1300 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272851#post272851 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272851#post272851 Loving the surreal diversion here
This bar doesn’t have any bourbon but it does make a very nice Martini. My apartment is small, but it’s close to Cuba St. Ooh, you are awful, but I like you.
You are a member of the ACT party, and I am going to…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:51:24 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272850#post272850 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272850#post272850 I hear what you're saying but I can't answer. You're logic is irrefutable but I cannot understand why you say that.
And so on but your understanding may be at odds with mine.

This bar doesn't have any bourbon but it does make a very nice Martini. My apartment is…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:40:38 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272849#post272849 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272849#post272849 "You are a member of the ACT party, and I am going to have sex with you."
"You are a member of the ACT party, but I am going to have sex with you."
Different things.Both beastiality though.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:37:57 +1300 Andre Alessi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272848#post272848 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272848#post272848 So the general tone amongst many who should know better is, "How dare someone ask for money from WINZ!"

Heh, indeed.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:36:03 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272847#post272847 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272847#post272847 BUT what about this from a stuff report
On Thursday, Bailey's Linkdin profile had been checked out by an adviser in Social Development Minister Paula Bennett's office, Ng said.Gotcha! Nice one Keith Ng.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:35:48 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272846#post272846 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272846#post272846 The second just brings attention to the incongruity of the two parts. But it still asserts both of them are true.

"You are a member of the ACT party, and I am going to have sex with you."

"You are a member of the ACT party, but I am going…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:34:40 +1300 Steve Reeves https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272845#post272845 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272845#post272845 honourable man. As Shakespeare did not write. ]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:33:54 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272844#post272844 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272844#post272844 Rhetorical and logical meanings might be different.

They might very well be different :-)

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272843#post272843 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272843#post272843 "You can take from that what you want to.''
reads to me like "no comment".
Reads to me like, "You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment."

Reads to me like: "You're all bastards. Every single one of yous."

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:27:10 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272842#post272842 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272842#post272842 The Master,
"Neither the director of the GCSB or me recall the reference to the Dotcom matter during the visit, but I accept that well have been made.
"I wish to make it clear that I was not informed by the GCSB on its role in the Dotcom matter, nor…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:25:31 +1300 Steve Reeves https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272841#post272841 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272841#post272841 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:25:22 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272840#post272840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272840#post272840 "Keith is a god, and he is mortal"

is logically the same as

"Keith is a god, but he is mortal".

The second just brings attention to the incongruity of the two parts. But it still asserts both of them are true.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:23:47 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272833#post272833 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272833#post272833 I'm pretty sure "but" is a conjunction, not a negation.
Yeah nah.
Try it out some time, fail safe in most truth distorting situations. Used often by media trained people. I was there and it may have happened but I cannot remember if it did.
I hear what you're saying…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:56:18 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272832#post272832 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272832#post272832 “I feel no ill-feeling towards any of them.

One flew over the cloud cuckoolander's nest...

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:55:28 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272830#post272830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272830#post272830 remember "but" negates everything before it.

I'm pretty sure "but" is a conjunction, not a negation. It's logically equivalent to "and", just has a different tone.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:51:58 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272828#post272828 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272828#post272828 F.U.

Seeing as you asked so nicely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:48:05 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272827#post272827 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272827#post272827 Reads to me like, "You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment."

F.U.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:45:01 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272824#post272824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272824#post272824 "You can take from that what you want to.''

reads to me like "no comment".

Reads to me like, "You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment."

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:30:26 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272821#post272821 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272821#post272821 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:14:55 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272818#post272818 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272818#post272818 Yep, sadly pretty much the default attitude from those who should serve us. Things are so broken this could be a wonderful opportunity to rebuild from the ground up – evidence from Christchurch says no.
And no harm no foul when you have a 600+k a year CEO to fall…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:58:57 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272817#post272817 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272817#post272817 Take from it what you will, I saw a backhanded smear running against the flow of her first comments...remember "but" negates everything before it. This person is dangerously close to dissociative.

She ain't saying he's no golddigger...

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:57:33 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272815#post272815 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272815#post272815 She said Mr Bailey and Ng had ultimately done the department a favour.
"I feel no ill-feeling towards any of them.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:55:56 +1300 Joshua Franklin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272810#post272810 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272810#post272810 Fair enough ;)

Shame it's too dangerous to let her know the real site could be so modified.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:26:06 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272808#post272808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272808#post272808 Is that copy of the website a record of a modification to the live site or is it limited to the copy?

Just a spoof. I wouldn't want to get on her bad side.
;-)

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:16:20 +1300 Joshua Franklin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272805#post272805 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272805#post272805 I call the website "her blog" because it runs on Serendipity which calls itself a "weblog application". If the point wasn't in the distinction between "her blog" and "her website", then I missed it.

Is that copy of the website a record of a modification to the live site or…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:12:33 +1300 SJ Parton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272804#post272804 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272804#post272804 Raymond, you ask: "just how likely is it that anyone in employment goes to a WINZ office and then sticks a device into a computer?"

Many people in employment access "WINZ" (who are now called Work & Income) support. Work & Income provide benefits for people in employment that include: the accommodation…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:10:30 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272801#post272801 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272801#post272801 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:02:10 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272800#post272800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272800#post272800 can anyone advise on the correct way to inform Paula Bennett if, hypothetically, her blog seemed to be vulnerable to SQL injection?

Erm, no but Her Website is another story.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:58:19 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272799#post272799 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272799#post272799 "You can take from that what you want to.''

reads to me like "no comment".

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:56:59 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272797#post272797 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272797#post272797 Ben, read the last sentence.
"You can take from that what you want to.''
We are dealing with a mentality that knows no personal sense of responsibility to others. Good in a soldier, not so much in the Minister Tasked With Assisting The Disadvantaged

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:53:58 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272795#post272795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272795#post272795 >Oh what a tangled web she weaves

To me, it looks like she has accepted reality, and taken the sensible path of not trying to revile the whistleblowers. Key, on the other hand, is showing a remarkable lack of nous in even saying a single word about the issue.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:53:02 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272794#post272794 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272794#post272794 Privacy act?

I found the privacy act next to useless many years ago when I made a complaint to the Privacy Commissioner about a clear breach of my privacy by the police.

Not only did I have to show that they breached my privacy, but also I had to show…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:52:35 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272793#post272793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272793#post272793 does case law support that?

Yes. It's a strategy, not a regulation, or even a policy.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:45:46 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272789#post272789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272789#post272789 Thanks. That detail is well worth sharing around.

Bailey had left his name and number when he called the Social Development Ministry last week to raise concerns about the vulnerability of Work and Income's systems.

**On Thursday, Bailey's Linkdin profile had been checked out by an adviser in Social Development…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:31:59 +1300 Tim Michie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272786#post272786 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272786#post272786 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:25:44 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272784#post272784 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272784#post272784 Yet after the fact there’s always money to clean up the mess these things can create…

an ounce of prevention….


I’m just wondering why the then Minister of Communications and Information Technology, Steven Joyce, or current minister Amy Adams hasn’t been called on the appalling failure, thus far, of the…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:21:31 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272782#post272782 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272782#post272782 I suspect that there weren't any jobs at KPMG advertised on the Work and Income database.

Time for an anecdote...
About 10 years back I had occasion to go to a WINZ office, or whatever they were called back then, because I was in between jobs and thought it might…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:21:00 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272781#post272781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272781#post272781 Oh what a tangled web she weaves,
Ms Bennett said the issue of Ira Bailey asking about some form of payment in return for the information before he went to Ng was only a "side issue'' and she had bigger problems to deal with.
She said Mr Bailey and Ng…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:16:26 +1300 Joshua Franklin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272780#post272780 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272780#post272780 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:11:17 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272779#post272779 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272779#post272779 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:10:30 +1300 ScottY https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272778#post272778 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272778#post272778 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:09:56 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272777#post272777 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272777#post272777 I thought answered that. I'm talking about before not after the fact. If Govt. has no legal ramifications for not providing duty of care (notified in law), then why should they bother, and it appears, they don't.
Hence why Bennett can out a person's file with impunity...needless to say there…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:09:25 +1300 ScottY https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272776#post272776 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272776#post272776 I can find no actual legal requirement for in this instance WINZ or DSW having to protect your private information if you have been required to provide it.
…
If there is no legal requirement for Govt. to adequately protect citizens private information, then why bother?

...

Privacy act?

There…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:08:34 +1300 Joshua Franklin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272775#post272775 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272775#post272775 http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/7821752/Journalist-criticises-Govt-over-leak ]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:08:32 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272773#post272773 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272773#post272773 from a stuff report

wow. link?

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:04:57 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272772#post272772 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272772#post272772 Govt. Dept's legal duty of care. As far as I can find, there is none.

I'm not a lawyer but recall some cases that hinged on exactly that – and Susan Couch vs Corrections is one higher-profile current example.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:04:16 +1300 Ds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272771#post272771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272771#post272771 BUT what about this from a stuff report

On Thursday, Bailey's Linkdin profile had been checked out by an adviser in Social Development Minister Paula Bennett's office, Ng said.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:03:23 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272770#post272770 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272770#post272770 dirty word is it?

Impugning the motivation of the source is standard practice for these guys, rather than taking responsibility for failings.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:02:44 +1300 Roger Lacey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272769#post272769 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272769#post272769 bain of her life.

Lovely Freudian slip there. :-)

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:58:19 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272761#post272761 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272761#post272761 Sadly I think, way too far down the chain. If the Dept. has a legal requirement to perform to described duty of care practices there would be no need for further down the chain buck passing that frankly you and I could not afford.
Interesting that BORA is not enshrined…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:41:21 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272760#post272760 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272760#post272760 I can find no actual legal requirement for in this instance WINZ or DSW having to protect your private information if you have been required to provide it.
...
If there is no legal requirement for Govt. to adequately protect citizens private information, then why bother?

Privacy act?

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:36:58 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272754#post272754 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272754#post272754 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:28:24 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272752#post272752 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272752#post272752 Interesting that *reputation* is how we decide who's telling the truth about this as well
Yes, well! It depends on perception don't it.
johnnygoldentonsils sez

"[He was] just pointing to the system and wanting an incentive payment or wanting cash basically to tell us where the problem was," he told…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:26:15 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272748#post272748 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272748#post272748 but no legal duty of care, at all.

does case law support that?

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:17:57 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272746#post272746 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272746#post272746 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:16:37 +1300 Chris Miller https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272745#post272745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272745#post272745 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:15:00 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272743#post272743 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272743#post272743 ...targeting departments at random
– but, again, cost.
Yet after the fact there's always money to clean up the mess these things can create...

an ounce of prevention....


I'm just wondering why the then Minister of Communications and Information Technology, Steven Joyce, or current minister Amy Adams hasn't been called…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:09:58 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272738#post272738 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272738#post272738 Who outed Ira to the MSM? Well, I'd put money on it being the MSD regardless of what Paula Bennett says

The Fairfax story says this, for what it's worth – but note that the Minister's office is not the same as MSD:

Bennett said she did not believe the…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:56:43 +1300 Jimmy Southgate https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272731#post272731 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272731#post272731 Who outed Ira to the MSM?

That's one of the more interesting questions at the moment, knowing who is trying to spin might help to pinpoint where those people are worried blame might fall.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:46:32 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272729#post272729 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272729#post272729 Not having been in a WINZ branch for a long time.

For my friend who lives rurally on alternative power and does not use computers, they have been the bain of her life. Not only is it hard now to navigate them, WINZ no longer accept her hours for seasonal…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:44:14 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272724#post272724 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272724#post272724 Ok, the same old left wing /right wing bull shit going on here, mostly from the left, given the normal dialogue at PA

So not right or wrong?
Putting things in a frame of reference you understand?
Think your limits are showing.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:35:52 +1300 Lucy Bailey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272721#post272721 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272721#post272721 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:32:49 +1300 Lucy Bailey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272720#post272720 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272720#post272720 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:28:27 +1300 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272718#post272718 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272718#post272718 So...
Were those kiosks actually useful ? Not having been in a WINZ branch for a long time.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:12:22 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272717#post272717 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272717#post272717 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:10:19 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272716#post272716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272716#post272716 I am not suggesting that Ira has done anything wrong, he has not

And even if he had, I wish some people who really should know better (or have access to legal advisors who do) weren’t throwing around terms like “blackmail” and “extortion” with such gay abandon.

Call me an…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:59:44 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272715#post272715 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272715#post272715 You’re right of course but I could see that setting up a clearing house for security reports and bounties could be part of their remit. If people knew that they could go to one place and report incidents and they would be taken seriously/investigated by professionals then this could go… ]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:56:37 +1300 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272709#post272709 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272709#post272709 Keith wrote :
Like, seriously – what kind of dick did you think I was?
They must have been confusing you with MSM reporters ...

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:30:31 +1300 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272706#post272706 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272706#post272706 I am not suggesting that Ira has done anything wrong, he has not
Just wondering why he was there and why someone who is a system administrator would need the WINZ computer to do his CV updates
And when he found the problem, while he might have told someone right…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:17:45 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272703#post272703 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272703#post272703 My only (rather sad) observation is that it retrospect it should have been obvious that Paula Bennett wouldn't have hesitated a nano-second before releasing the name of Mr. Ng's informant.

She is an authoritarian bully who preens when punishing and seeks revenge when crossed. She is truly one of the…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:07:33 +1300 Roger Lacey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272702#post272702 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272702#post272702 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:02:33 +1300 Ben Austin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272701#post272701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272701#post272701 Seems pretty standard operating procedure to plug a USB drive into a computer if you are there to upload a file.

It's also pretty normal to reward people who identify and notify you of security breaches.

In any event I don't see that Ira has done anything wrong and unless…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:58:48 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272700#post272700 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272700#post272700 My only question just how likely is it that anyone in employment goes to a WINZ office and then sticks a device into a computer?Quite frankly it beggers belief!

You obviously missed this Herald article
Plus I know people who have used the kiosk who were bored waiting up to…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:57:37 +1300 Lucy Bailey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272699#post272699 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272699#post272699 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:46:39 +1300 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272698#post272698 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272698#post272698 Kia Kaha Keith & Ira, sorry, (disgusted) to see the MSD and msm take the path that denigrates you rather than focus on the fact these systems aren't locked down and safe as they should be

this is a serious issue with lessons to be learnt, mistakes to be corrected and…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:42:28 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272697#post272697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272697#post272697 If you're going there to do your CV, very likely, as you'll want a copy to take away with you. However, as others have said, it's not a matter of how easy it was to do, it's that it could be done at all that is the issue.

And you…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:41:58 +1300 Rob Coup https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272696#post272696 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272696#post272696 MSD didn’t know what to do with his request, and it got slowly bumped up the food-chain. .... MSD called Ira back two days later. They told Ira that they don’t pay for vulnerability reports.

I wonder if as it migrated up the food chain the message got reworded from…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:39:12 +1300 barnaclebarnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272694#post272694 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272694#post272694 To be fair, their remit runs more to “stop antagonistic powers shutting down our power grid from afar” than “manage every government department’s IT security”. An organization the size of MSD should really have permanent IT security staff. But, hey, that’s probably one of those unimportant “backroom” jobs taking limited… ]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:30:26 +1300 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272691#post272691 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272691#post272691 Ok, the same old left wing /right wing bull shit going on here, mostly from the left, given the normal dialogue at PA
Calls for the Minister's head from the usual suspects

Yes it is a disgrace for a Government Dept to leak information, no argument there and just as…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:20:42 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272689#post272689 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272689#post272689 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:04:04 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272688#post272688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272688#post272688 If Ira Bailey were to be charged, it would stand to reason Paula Bennett can be charged. Afterall she was happy and allowed to leak private confidential information from MSD to the media.What would Ben Masters defend here eh?
As an aside, rather liking the fence post IQ Richard :)

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:58:45 +1300 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272685#post272685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272685#post272685 Ben Masters -your intellect is sort of on the level of a paua – cling on to the same old same old and never question anything-

Thank you Islander you made my day , great image , much better than IQ of a fence post.

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:32:58 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272684#post272684 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272684#post272684 MSD CEO Brendan Boyle in happier times:
“He [John Key] saw the advantages of a modern ICT environment and is a great believer in what ICT can do in terms of productivity. Rather than benchmark against other government departments, people now benchmark against online services such as those provided by…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:26:59 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272682#post272682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272682#post272682 insiderto the end
Oh you mean this bit.
Since he called MSD and left his name and number, it was always likely that they’d out him as a diversion. We had hoped that it wouldn’t get to that, but it has, which is why I’m writing this now.

Should he…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:55:27 +1300 Kevin Middleton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272680#post272680 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272680#post272680 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:39:18 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272679#post272679 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272679#post272679 You’ll laugh (or cry, or both), but we actually already have one. The New Zealand National Cyber Security Centre is an actual thing. It’s got strategy documents and forms and an info security manual that runs to 297 pages. You’ll be shocked, shocked!, to learn that they are ignoring this… ]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:37:34 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272678#post272678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272678#post272678 Could someone please remind Brendan Boyle exactly who lays criminal charges in a democracy?

Of course, the MSD can dedicate time and resources to laying a complaint with the Police and the subsequent investigation. But one would think Mr Boyle and his staff have something else rather complicated and time-consuming…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:32:12 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272677#post272677 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272677#post272677 I see Claire Trevett's story is up on the Herald site.

Could someone please remind Brendan Boyle exactly who lays criminal charges in a democracy?

Mr Boyle said there were no plans to lay charges against Mr Ng for revealing the breach publicly but it was too early to say whether…

]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:17:41 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272674#post272674 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272674#post272674 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:48:19 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272673#post272673 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272673#post272673 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:41:45 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272672#post272672 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272672#post272672 How bitter do you have to be, when finding a breach in “national security”, that, upon realizing you weren’t going to be paid for your “troubles” you felt the need to go behind the back of MSD and break this story.

I'm puzzled as to how telling MSD he would…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:38:31 +1300 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272671#post272671 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272671#post272671
Presumably the details that Ira disclosed in those conversations weren't specific enough.

What's likely is that the details were quite specific; if you're pointing out a bug or security hole you tend to do so. It's how people who work with computers work, in my experience.

What's even more likely…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:27:41 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272666#post272666 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272666#post272666 Paua brain: I can hear it catching on. I will seed it with the teens.

BTW I haven’t seen any mention of EQC’s documentation being compromised. That's a pity; I would like to see the costings for my house. Ironic isn't it: I own a house, pay insurance, yet I…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:02:11 +1300 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272664#post272664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272664#post272664 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:50:45 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272662#post272662 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272662#post272662 I wrote lots more words about all there on my very own bloggy thing...
Dealing with #WTFMSD

Good post, Dylan. I can't see them doing it but it's a good suggestion, in my view.

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:48:12 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272660#post272660 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272660#post272660 farcically cyclic
++++1!

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:38:41 +1300 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272659#post272659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272659#post272659 But when told about it last week by some bloke asking were they interested in knowing (or, sure, paying for that knowledge) they did nothing! Why not?

Presumably the details that Ira disclosed in those conversations weren't specific enough.

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:34:55 +1300 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272658#post272658 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272658#post272658 I wrote lots more words about all there on my very own bloggy thing...
Dealing with #WTFMSD

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:33:43 +1300 Jonathan King https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272656#post272656 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272656#post272656 However exactly it went down with Ira, here's what they should be called on:

When told Keith was printing a story they shut the kiosks down instantly ...

But when told about it last week by some bloke asking were they interested in knowing (or, sure, paying for that knowledge)…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:30:48 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272655#post272655 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272655#post272655 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:28:14 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272654#post272654 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272654#post272654 The New Zealand National Cyber Security Centre is an actual thing

Which is here and is hosted inside the GCSB...

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:20:55 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272651#post272651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272651#post272651 I luuurve paua!
I put real paua in a high place...
...one could almost describe the action
as, well, 'foot in mouth'...
yum!
:- )

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:11:58 +1300 Karen Adams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272648#post272648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272648#post272648 This poor guy does everything he can to help and THIS is how he is treated by MSD?!

Clearly they have a follow the leader type approach. In the same way Paula Bennett attacked beneficiaries who were critical of her policy, her staff have set up this guy for attack…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:07:17 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272647#post272647 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272647#post272647 ... hoping nobody asks what it is they do again
or why we’re paying for it.
But surely the minister in charge would have all those answers ...
.

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:03:35 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272646#post272646 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272646#post272646 I luuurve paua!
Please, do not get me wrong- I cherish my family paua colonies – right up to the moment of inclusion into us-

(and seriously, te whanau does a lot of work ensuring paua live happy lives right up unto-

seriously, I put real paua in a high…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:01:52 +1300 Russell Clarke https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272645#post272645 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272645#post272645 As Ira's and MSD's version of events is somewhat different, it's lucky they record all phone calls. All they need to do is release the recording in question.

Keith can probably tell them what folder it's in.

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:00:35 +1300 Russell Clarke https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272644#post272644 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272644#post272644 your intellect is sort of on the level of a paua

Hey don't hate on the poor pauas!

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:55:01 +1300 papango https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272642#post272642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272642#post272642 shocked!, to learn that they are ignoring this… ]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:51:51 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272641#post272641 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272641#post272641 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:50:50 +1300 FiFi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272640#post272640 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272640#post272640 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:48:58 +1300 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272639#post272639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272639#post272639 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:42:53 +1300 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272638#post272638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272638#post272638 How bitter do you have to be, when finding a breach in “national security”, that, upon realizing you weren’t going to be paid for your “troubles” you felt the need to go behind the back of MSD and break this story.

Breaking the story is pretty much the norm. Even…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:40:10 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272637#post272637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272637#post272637 classic Lift Pitch endings...
... and found the giant vulnerability instead.
There has to be a kids book in that
or some kinda kidult blend...
dibs on....

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:38:18 +1300 FiFi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272635#post272635 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272635#post272635 The dept mess ups that just keep giving

Too old, Winz tells mum, 42

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/winz/news/article.cfm?o_id=247&objectid=10840371

You know after the hassles I have had with them lately I am feeling a sense of sweet justice as well. I was hoping to find a journalist to write a report with me but…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:32:16 +1300 papango https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272634#post272634 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272634#post272634 How bitter do you have to be, when finding a breach in “national security”, that, upon realizing you weren’t going to be paid for your “troubles” you felt the need to go behind the back of MSD and break this story.

I'm not really convinced by that to be honest.…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:32:16 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272632#post272632 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272632#post272632 And to the Urewera saga. A simple definition of terrorist: a person who terrorizes or frightens others. Discharging a shotgun around a large crowd, that frightens the shit out of me. To think it is ok, disgusting.

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Ben Masters -your intellect is sort of on the level of…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:29:38 +1300 FiFi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272631#post272631 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272631#post272631 This article was really disturbing

Winz manager sacked after bar fight with client

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/winz/news/article.cfm?o_id=247&objectid=10804728

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:27:32 +1300 Ben Masters https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272628#post272628 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272628#post272628 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:22:21 +1300 Keith Ng https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272626#post272626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272626#post272626 By the way, do you know how much effort it takes to have a serious conversation with a government department?!

Well I could tell you how much money it *costs* to have a conversation with a government department... except the Privacy Commissioner would waterboard me.

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:20:50 +1300 FiFi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272625#post272625 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272625#post272625 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:19:46 +1300 FiFi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272622#post272622 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272622#post272622 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:16:09 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272620#post272620 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272620#post272620 Yes, nothing new this is again. The oooh so loving and caring 'Crown' (acting in the form of the government and its agencies, departments and ministries on its behalf) always "cares" for us, and treats us in absolute "good faith" all the time, aye?

They expect a common citizen to…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:13:29 +1300 FiFi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272619#post272619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272619#post272619 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:13:17 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272618#post272618 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272618#post272618 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:12:23 +1300 Tze Ming Mok https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272616#post272616 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272616#post272616 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:07:06 +1300 Trevor Nicholls https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272615#post272615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272615#post272615 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:59:39 +1300 insider https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272614#post272614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272614#post272614 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:56:50 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272613#post272613 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272613#post272613 Read the post would you.
He called MSD to ask if they had a reward system for reporting security vulnerabilities. This is not unusual practice, and it’s certain not blackmail. Google and Facebook, for example, both pay for vulnerability reporting. It gives them a opportunity to close holes discretely, without…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:54:46 +1300 insider https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272612#post272612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272612#post272612 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:52:45 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272611#post272611 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272611#post272611 Heh. Been searching for data on my files and found this topical quote:

“"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.”

Rich Cook


Keith you idiot…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:51:37 +1300 Glenn Pearce https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272610#post272610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272610#post272610 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:47:49 +1300 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272609#post272609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272609#post272609 Vulnerability Rewards aren't uncommon. Many (most?) big internet companies will offer them (some are advertised, some are not) as will many other businesses.

The idea being that a security vulnerability is probably worth money to someone. If you offer some reward to people for reporting them to you it's less…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:42:54 +1300 Trevor Nicholls https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272608#post272608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272608#post272608 Curious why you put "troubles" in quotation marks when there is no reference to troubles in the original story nor this clarification.
If I was less naive I'd think you were "poisoning the well" :-p

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:40:56 +1300 Toby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272607#post272607 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272607#post272607 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:40:08 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272606#post272606 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272606#post272606 ???????
Why the fuck are these questions relevant?
Please explain these to a bear of little brain – IF you are not engaged with a honey pot-

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:39:31 +1300 Chris Cormack https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272605#post272605 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272605#post272605 Like Keith said, bug bounties are a fairly standard thing, https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9230309/Google_boosts_bonuses_for_Chrome_bug_bounty_hunters
I don't see anywhere where he wanted compensation for 'troubles'

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:39:16 +1300 insider https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272604#post272604 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272604#post272604 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:31:59 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272603#post272603 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272603#post272603 Just want to add my thanks and support for Keith and his source. You have done the whole country a huge favour, and I hope that knowledge will sustain you as things turn nasty.

Time to watch Homeland ... taking a break from the unbelievable reality to the more believable…

]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:31:37 +1300 Chris Miller https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272602#post272602 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272602#post272602 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:25:38 +1300 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272601#post272601 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-the-source/?p=272601#post272601 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:22:55 +1300