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				<title>peterpeasant</title>
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						<p>Economics is about as reliable as Tarot Cards.<br />I am sure the National Party believe in their Tarot  cards.  Really, truly.</p><p>They mean well for all New  Zealanders.</p><p>It is just possible that they are wrong.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						Campbell live last night made a great deal about the insurance angle. As far as I know there are quite a few large global industries that do not use insurance companies. Companies like Shell are so large that they can handle even the largest contingency internally, I don't recall there…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:39:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>You can’t just store substantial quantities of methane in tanks like petrol, or even LPG. It boils at -161C and typically has to be cryogenically refrigerated, which is complex, expensive and energy wasting. Or pumped underground into salt caverns &ndash; if we had any salt caverns conveniently placed.</p><p>Also, I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:35:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Although Is Zespri a SOE?</q></p><p>No Zespri is the marketing company for kiwifruit sales overseas. The relationship with the govt is that it is granted sole export rights, essentially a govt mandated monopoly. </p><p>Before anyone gets all up in arms about that &ndash; there used to be a very successful…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:30:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>Mr McKenzie said the 30-year-old pipe was in good condition.<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10761960" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10761960</a><br />Wonder what the required lifespan for the pipeline was, and if they knew when laying it that the ground was subsiding?<br />Doh, of course they did.<br />Infrastructure, not sexy but at least it's ours?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:19:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>As an aside – this gas leak thing is a worry, it is showing up our infrastructure problems again </q></p><p>I rather liked the farmers assessment of the whole gas leak of which he did complain about on the Friday and again on Monday after ( the RWC finished) the assessment…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:04:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>While I think stupidity explains more things in this world than malice, let me say that there are only 365 lunches in a year (give or take a few). About that many dinners and breakfasts too.</p><p>Given that, I'd rather our politicians were having lunches with people who actually uplift…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:58:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Jumpin' Jack Flash...</strong><br /><q>Which seemed to be the entire thrust of the rather feeble Three piece...</q><br />Maybe, but Key needs to learn how to stall questions better then, <br />'cos his body (&amp; actual) language screams avoidance maybe even lying...<br />I just don't trust someone who squirms, twists and turns that much,…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I rather our PM wasn’t meeting with Ashcroft. I think Ashcroft is a dodgy influence-peddler. But I don’t think them having lunch is evidence of anything much.</q></p><p>Quite &ndash; Australian politics is full of somewhat odoriferous individuals on both sides of the aisle, but I wouldn't presume there's anything sinister…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:43:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I find it interesting, Rich, that apparently being in the same room with Ashcroft (who happens to also be a senior official in the Conservative Party) is not only “participation in *our* politics” but corruption by osmosis. </q></p><p>I rather our PM wasn't meeting with Ashcroft. I think Ashcroft is a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I find it interesting that he’s starting to participate in *our* politics, obviously without doing anything ridiculous like moving here, taking residency or filing a tax return.</q></p><p>I find it interesting, Rich, that apparently being in the same room with Ashcroft (who happens to also be a senior official in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:16:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>With friends like this...</strong><br />...and as seen on the <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/PM-meets-with-right-wing-billionaire-Lord-Ashcroft/tabid/370/articleID/230835/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">TV3 news tonight</a> Ashcroft also seems to affect Key's memory &ndash; he can't even remember who contacted who, it was just in his diary so he had to go... wonder if he has any shares in any Ashcroft companies or if…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>No he just:<br />&ndash; is heavily entwined with the government of a corrupt Central American tax haven</p><p>&ndash; was a UK politician while not actually fully resident there for tax purposes – representation without taxation, as it were</p><p>&ndash; runs his political spending through an offshore firm, again to avoid…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						oh sorry Ben, those were all places that govt cut jobs. Although Is Zespri a SOE? Did I misread? Quite capable of that :)
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>though that tag still seems to be framing some coverage.</q></p><p>Oh, for fuck’s sake… There are some sections of the media who need to asked whether Michael Ashcroft fucked their girlfriends, skipped out on a bar tab or laughed at their weiners while sharing a urinal.  Otherwise, I can’t really…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Winz, Doc, Housing NZ .Military , NZ Transport Agency, MAF,IRD, the beehive, Universities, Zespri to name but a many.</q></p><p>I'd really have to do my research to have any clue what happened to all of those. A cheat sheet would be handy.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Would this be the “secret agenda”</q></p><p>nothing secret about it. </p><p>though that tag still seems to be framing <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5856348/No-secret-over-Keys-lunch-with-lord" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">some coverage</a>.</p>
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						<p>Just saw a TVC for Party Vote: National. </p><p>It had a man with a "stop" sign for Labour and a man with a "go" sign for National.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>hold these clowns accountable for the very deliberate decisions they’ve made over the last few years – </q></p><p>Would this be the “secret agenda” that only seems to be secret to the clowns who paid ACT’s former ad shop to come up with genius lines for Phil Goff like “vote National…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Do you have some handy examples?</q></p><p>Winz, Doc, Housing NZ .Military , NZ Transport Agency, MAF,IRD, the beehive, Universities, Zespri to name but a many.</p><p>One really should check out 2010 and 2009.Think there was heaps more then too</p>
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						<p><q> <em>Do you have some handy examples?</em></p><p>Not without digging, no.</q></p><p>Again, an absolute indictment on Labour that this information is hard to find.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Do you have some handy examples?</q></p><p>Not without digging, no. There have been internal reconfigurations throughout government departments, and you'll start seeing that more obviously from the outside once this lot are safely re-elected, especially in the biggest departments like Health and Social Development. All with a handy dose of…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Not to mention that keeping people in important jobs (like maritime regulation and oil spill response, just as a for instance) reduces unemployment, builds our skill base and ensures essential public services. </p><p>Reacting to an economic downturn by sacking people from those jobs and employing others in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Theory_of_Employment,_Interest,_and_Money" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">filling Keynsian holes</a>…</p>
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						<p><q>This government have been systematically hollowing out parts of the public service in wait for a second term (though they won't go as far as some fear). </q></p><p>Do you have some handy examples? I don't disagree, but they don't spring to mind, and it could be handy in arguments over…</p>
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						<p><q>They’re very much on the “do-nothing government” line now.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10761776" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> They got a new idea as well</a></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Freezing science budgets isn't "doing nothing".</p><p>Putting pressure on CRIs to freeze salaries isn't "doing nothing". Except for management salaries which have doubled in the last 3 years.</p><p>That's just from my field. Actively stifling innovation in NZ is pretty damaging long term.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Labour would contend that of course it would have responded to changed conditions.</q></p><p>Their proposed mini-Budget in December 2008 sounded promising &ndash; including active investment in job creation rather than the laissez faire fantasy that Treasury and English continue to peddle.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>With a strategy attacking the Nats for not changing existing policy aren’t Labour really implying the policies left over from the last Labour government were inadequate? </q></p><p>More that the situation has changed and an appropriate response is required, one would think. Labour would contend that of course it would have…</p>
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						Sometimes it seems to be short for "doing nothing that *I* want done".
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						<p><q>Saying they're 'doing nothing' is misleading at best.</q></p><p>I suppose. Sometimes "do nothing" is shorthand for "do nothing about about x", but it doesn't really matter much anyway, IMO.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>They're very much on the "do-nothing government" line now. Which I think is not an unfair assessment.</q></p><p>If National are "doing nothing" new, it means that National are relying on the work of the previous (Clark) government and are content with the measures already in place.  </p><p>With a strategy attacking…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Adopting the 'do nothing govt' line makes it's impossible to hold these clowns accountable for the very deliberate decisions they've made over the last few years &ndash; such as where to direct the benefits of their changes to the tax system or their usurping of local government.</p><p>It also plays…</p>
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						They been actively borrowing ;-)
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						Sigh. This government have been systematically hollowing out parts of the public service in wait for a second term (though they won't go as far as some fear). Saying they're 'doing nothing' is misleading at best.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:40:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Labour doesn’t follow that line</p><p>Respectfully, they and their supporters have many times complained about a ‘do nothing’ government. Alternated with the ‘far right agenda’ line, reflecting what can most charitably be described as strategic confusion.</q></p><p>They're very much on the "do-nothing government" line now. Which I think is not…</p>
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						<p><q>Labour doesn't follow that line</q></p><p>Respectfully, they and their supporters have many times complained about a 'do nothing' government. Alternated with the 'far right agenda' line, reflecting what can most charitably be described as strategic confusion.</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						Roads. New jobs. Savings. Growth. etc. All in the future and sometime in the never-never. A pretty good strategy in that by the time 2014 or 2020 or 2050 guess which politicians will be around to accept accountability of any of those predictions, and anyway what Bill/John/Stevie really meant was…
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						The rotten incumbent party in power has left the cupboard bare for the incoming Labour lead government. How cruel is that!
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:59:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>How's that line been working for the opposition?</q></p><p>Labour doesn't follow that line, Labour tries to portray everything the Nats do as a hard right-wing agenda.  This isn't working out for them.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>And you know what? I can't prove him wrong</q></p><p>Can you calculate how much growth is required to prove him right &ndash; if that is more than 3%, you can prove him to be wildly optimistic..</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Its hard to rage against the government, because they haven't really done anything.</q></p><p>How's that line been working for the opposition?</p>
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						<p><q>For the most part they genuinely believe in trickle down economics and the purity of the free market to provide growth and hence wealth for the country.</p><p>Personally I don't believe that things that have failed to work in other countries will somehow magically work in NZ.</q></p><p>Verily, no amount…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q>ANGER IS AN ENERGY.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPj-8_wOZcA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPj-8_wOZcA</a></p><p>Inevitably.</p>
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						<p>FFS Craig, I was not making any insinuation or statement about your 'purpose in life' and I can't see how you got that from what I wrote.<br />I wouldn't presume to try to convince you to vote in any way &ndash; so that part of your railing against my 'bloody…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>you’ve done sweet F.A. to convince me to stop voting National</q></p><p>They proposed and voted for outrageous Canterbury earthquake legislation.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Craig, you know nothing about my circumstances so any remark about ‘politics of envy’ is pure crap and speculation</q></p><p>Stuart.  Take those rage goggles off and re-read what I said.  You might also want to take your own bloody advice because 1) you've done sweet F.A. to convince me to…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q>Craig, you know nothing about my circumstances so any remark about ‘politics of envy’ is pure crap and speculation</q>
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						Sorry... high horse a bit higher than expected.  Got a bit dizzy up there...
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						<p><q>Is there some hot key where you can just insert political cant tailored to how you dress your ideological dick? I believe this is the point where I should respond with fatuous cant about how you're just engaged in the "politics of envy" but frankly can't be arsed.<br /></q></p><p>Craig, you…</p>
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						<p>But nor can anyone prove English right.</p><p>English can “expect” all he likes – but, given the lack of any reliable evidence base, why should anyone else believe him?</p><p>Me, I have no faith in faith-based government.</p>
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						I know, me either.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:20:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p><q>Finance Minister Bill English said he still expected the "tax switch" to be revenue-neutral over a period of four or five years</q></p><p>And you know what? I can't prove him wrong.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>You think this is us raging?</q></p><p>Its hard to rage against the government, because they haven't really done anything.  They've carried on with the centrist, boring, politcally neutral, poll driven theme of the Clark Labour years.  NZers are proven to like it and failing a big economic upheaval will probably…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:10:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You and I wish for very different things. They’re going to expend that political capital by cutting basic services that have large positive externalities, so that some rich [insert derisory term here] with a view of the water can build a larger swimming pool.</p></blockquote><p>For better or worse, they have…</p>
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						<p><q>the rage and hatred</q></p><p>Really? You think this is us raging?</p>
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						<p>Finance Minister Bill English said he still expected the "tax switch" to be revenue-neutral over a period of four or five years, and in any case it was primarily about shifting incentives towards more saving and investing, and less spending and borrowing for property speculation.</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10758397" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10758397</a></p>
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						<p><q>they must genuinely believe what they are doing is right for the country</q></p><p>Maybe. It is entirely possible that some of the politicians are deceitful selfish scum who are happy to feather their own nests and those of their friends at the cost of the country's wealth.</p><p>But in the…</p>
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						Is there some hot key where you can just insert political cant tailored to how you dress your ideological dick? I believe this is the point where I should respond with fatuous cant about how you're just engaged in the "politics of envy" but frankly can't be arsed.
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						To think ... if McDonald's penalty kick had been a couple of feet to the right, Key would have been sunk.  The blame for the loss, not to mention the huge expense to the taxpayer, would have fallen on his shoulders.  As it is, it looks like our power companies…
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						<p>Not sure about dialling back my rage and hatred &ndash; it's about all I have that these bastards don't want to take from me &amp; give to their rich mates.</p><p>Governing for the good of <em>all</em>   NZers rather than the already fiscally-advantaged would be a nice gesture that might prompt me…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>they aren’t trying to hurt you.</q></p><p>If they're trying to do something that hurts me, and are immune to feedback, why not be enraged? ANGER IS AN ENERGY.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>. . . I just think we could dial back the rage and hatred a tad, they aren’t trying to hurt you.</q><br />Just because they happen to place <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5309089/Jenny-Shipley-on-Cera-review-panel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ensuring one another's second pension</a> above any concept of the public good doesn't mean that they don't dream of rainbows 'n unicorns.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It was a good start, but today, by promising pain in the next term ... English showed he might actually be committed to reducing the debt, rather than just promising that future Governments will do it.><br />... by selling off state assets?</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						<p><q>their list would be whiter, less urban, more male, and better-heeled than mine</q></p><p>oh you could very well be right, but I just think we could dial back the rage and hatred a tad, they aren’t trying to hurt you.</p><p><strong>edit</strong> intentionally</p>
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						<p><q> they must genuinely believe what they are doing is right for the country.</q></p><p>I'm prepared to accept that, for the most part. But I think they have very different ideas about what and who "the country" actually is compared to me. Eg, I think if you asked a National cabinet…</p>
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						<p><q>The vitriol towards the National Government in this thread is palpable…surely we don’t believe that they intentionally want to destroy NZ’s economy? Whether or not you agree with their policies on anything, they must genuinely believe what they are doing is right for the country.</q></p><p>Absent the majestic plural, I…</p>
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						<p><q>The vitriol towards the National Government in this thread is palpable…</q><br />From <a href="http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/category/john-key/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Aotearoa: a wider perspective</a><br /><q>I met G. Edward Griffin recently, and had the chance to speak with him about our wealthy banker turned politician John Key, who was one of only four advisers to the Federal…</q></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Fixed that for ya...</strong><br /><q>...they must genuinely believe what they are doing is right for the country.</q><br />...they must genuinely believe what they are doing is good for the country's Right.</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						The vitriol towards the National Government in this thread is palpable...surely we don't believe that they intentionally want to destroy NZ's economy? Whether or not you agree with their policies on <em>anything</em>, they must genuinely believe what they are doing is right for the country.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Magic beans. Clearly the answer.</q></p><p>This government really, truly, believes that the market will provide  for all the corrections required and give us all a lovely soft landing when:</p><p>Cheap fossil fuels run out.<br />China’s economy tanks<br />Australia goes into recession<br />The European finance system collapses<br />Aliens invade<br />Zombie contagion…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:11:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Ah thanks Interest.co.nz here's how much Bill has been and will be borrowing, <a href="http://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/56352/nzdmo-borrow-net-nz179-bln-government-over-next-5-years-mostly-201314-inflation-indexed-" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/56352/nzdmo-borrow-net-nz179-bln-government-over-next-5-years-mostly-201314-inflation-indexed-</a><br />I hope he's not basing his borrowing on Treasury growth forecasts? 3% growth coming, yeah.</p>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p><q>Magic beans. Clearly the answer.</q></p><p>You’re not far wrong there Sacha, a quick scan of the radio shows yesterday arvo/eve had most business commentators scratching their heads at the PREFU’s widely optimistic views on the growth in the govt’s future revenues.</p>
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						<p>Government spending was beginning to fall and 43,000 new jobs had been created in the past financial year; 20,000 more than predicted in this year's Budget.<br />In May Treasury predicted 170,000 new jobs would be created over the next four years.<br />English said its revised estimate of 150,000 new jobs…</p>
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						<p><q>As for hoping things get better … well I hope somehow this paper will magically get written and appear on my computer … dammit</q></p><p>Bill has promised more public servants on the dole queue and as Duncan Garner mentioned on te News last night. 2000 jobs gone already ,ain't seen…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>But I thought the majority of debt is private debt?</q></p><p>One of the philosophical differences between left and right is that right believe private people should pay for (and borrow for if necessary) things like education, health care, earthquake insurance, boats to clean up oil spills. So National will shave…</p>
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						<p>1. The Fed is privately owned.<br /><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=10489" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=10489</a><br />oops wrong thread.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q>It does seem to me that National are a little bit caught by surprise that they will get a second term. All their budgets promised that sometime (somehow) in the next 3 years things would get better. Now they realise that they will be in power for those 3 years.</q>…
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						<p><q>They’re going to expend that political capital by cutting basic services that have large positive externalities, so that some rich [insert derisory term here] with a view of the water can build a larger swimming pool.</q></p><p>I think that is what will happen, but in some ways it's better than…</p>
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						<p><q><br />It makes me hopeful that debt is more than just a handy boogeyman for the Government, and that they are willing to expend some political capital to actually govern.<br /></q><br />You and I wish for very different things. They’re going to expend that political capital by cutting basic services that have…</p>
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						National’s “Brighter Future” is starting to sound like Muldoon’s “light at the end of the tunnel” – in the latter case it was a train coming in the other direction.
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						It will hurt? Gee, Bill, since when does National being in power ever indicate anything but that there will be pain. Perhaps this was news to some? Good grief.
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						Bill has been borrowing.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>But I thought the majority of debt is private debt?</q></p><p>It was, was being the operative word.</p>
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						<p><q>It does seem to me that National are a little bit caught by surprise that they will get a second term.</q></p><p>Damn, did I miss the election?<br />Hmmm. Nope. Bart get your head out of the toilet.<br />Nactional don't have a hope in hell of winning fair and square and…</p>
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						<p>"Higher saving means lower consumption and lower growth in the short-term."<br />Says it all really.</p>
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						<p><q>It does seem to me that National are a little bit caught by surprise that they will get a second term. </q></p><p>You reckon? I think they made it so quite deliberately. And I'm pretty sure they haven't abandoned their hopes to cut the crap out of the budget, they just…</p>
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						Let's not allow facts to intrude on the beanery..
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						But I thought the majority of debt is private debt?
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						Magic beans. Clearly the answer.
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						<p><q>macroeconomagical growth powers</q></p><p>That so has to be in the next PAS story.</p><p>It does seem to me that National are a little bit caught by surprise that they will get a second term. All their budgets promised that sometime (somehow) in the next 3 years things would get better.…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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