A more reputable outlet might have gone with::

“Henry the bigoted nong a hard sell”

Only at Scrabble.

But PLEASE consider – when we talk about free speech we keep speaking like we were raised under the US Constitution. Our legal model is…

Who are your ugly sexy men?

Marilyn Manson, Jack Nicholson 20 years ago, Iggy Pop, Mick Jagger, Alan Rickman, Gene Simmons...

I know, I'm a sick puppy. *shrug*

or: John Key should be employed on a 90-day trial?

Actually, Natalie, we've been employing our legislators on three year fixed-term contracts for yonks... Wonder if anyone else would like their employment being contingent on a X-Factor style poll one Saturday. :)

Ugly people are sexy too. Sometimes sexier

Depending on alcohol. Who are your ugly sexy men?

It's 2010, new talk baby.

Call for Dr. Tiso...

i don't do orientation

Something compels me.

and I'm not sure he wasn't teasing you for being mildly homophobic.

Which is wrong I assure you, i don't do orientation.

I don't buy the homoerotic line, Jeremy

Neither do I.

Chewing fat, spitting tobacco

.. cussin

My take on heterosexual male appreciation of the male form is more "I want to look like him", rather than "I want to look at him". I…

I do not (know) what is with the posters on this site.

Yeh,and we is having an old fashioned discussion to see what's with us. Chewing fat, spitting tobacco.

I have had the very good fortune to have been very personally acquainted with a lot of cunts.

Loved them all. Still do.

I just wish I had met more.

Am still looking for some.

Paul Henry is not…

I could be a minority.

Which men do you find erotic?

It would be pretty slack if you became known as "Mr Ugly Penis".

It's clear that at this point, I must link to Ricky Gervais' cameo in Louie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qOaZ4CQqKI

At precisely three minutes, the penile humiliation begins.

Nah, c'mon man, don't tell me you wouldn't like to be more buff. If so, it means you appreciate what buff is.

I'd like to be fit and have less fat because I find weight tiring but it's not an erotic concept. Gio is a dirty euro, I don't think…

what a shame it is that men can't compliment other men on their penises.

Now there is an idea but I can't see it getting much traction. I wonder what criteria we could use--length, girth, heft, rate of usage, a cheerful grin? As in __My, you have a big one…

i leave that admiration to ladies and gay men

The other thing about homoeroticism is that it works.every.time.

I believe the female form is mindfucking, the male form...jeez , i leave that admiration to ladies and gay men.

Nah, c'mon man, don't tell me you wouldn't like to be more buff. If so, it means you appreciate what buff is.

And what a shame it is that men can't compliment other men on their penises.

I don't know – the fact that it's kept a bit of a mystery gives everyone an even chance. It would be pretty slack if you became known as "Mr Ugly Penis".

I can't remember anyone giving me a mag promoting its penis photos.

That's just because it's not how homoeroticism works, my friend. Man, sometimes I feel like I have to tell you guys everything.

Do those people have an explanation for the use of the blurring in anime? Just curious.

It's all part of the big cover up. They had to do it for anime, for consistency, otherwise it would make the shame even more obvious! Even for 30 foot long tentacle-dick monsters.

Naturally,…

Do those people have an explanation for the use of the blurring in anime? Just curious.

Since you asked:

This is a consequence of a 1907 Japanese censorship law ("Article 175") which was interpreted to forbid the depiction of pubic hair as well as genitals.

Anime Anatomy

Whatever floats your boat... but I prefer it on the inside of someone else's body... :)

Well you'll need some blood for that :)

I've was shown too much porn as a young 'un, not my fault, but I can't remember anyone giving me a…

although some have claimed that the deliberate blurring that occurs in most Japanese porn indicates that they've got something to hide.

Do those people have an explanation for the use of the blurring in anime? Just curious.

Heh.

hard, I know

Oh, come ON.

it really is an organ that probably should be on the inside of your body.

Whatever floats your boat... but I prefer it on the inside of someone else's body... :)

it really is an organ that probably should be on the inside of your body.

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Smut

Given that hardcore porn is predominantly consumed by men and is obsessively focussed on the penis, I would say that most people do.

and that's why the penis is used to sell cars,c'mon hardcore porn is not penis porn.The Penis is not loved by the camera, it really is an…

I was recently reading some lad's mag at the barber's (sort of the male equivalent of reading No Idea) which had a feature on Things Blokes Do. Along with practices such as using your girlfriend's best shampoo on your…

The penis is very ugly.

I am assured that some people find them highly attractive.

Very sensible keeping your enemies close. Indeed, on that note, might I proffer that up close the penis is, well, a different animal than when seen...at arms length. I wouldn't like to say different good,…

The penis is very ugly.

I am assured that some people find them highly attractive.

What do socialists look like?

New Zealanders

In my experience, they are very handsome.

And varied. And closer to social democrats than socialists proper. Very few hard core socialists in NZ (me thinks. Could be wrong...)

Kracklite:

How I have missed you

Where have you been, Babel?

Jeremy:
I believe…

And I'm sorry, Megan, but when I'm with my male friends, female anatomy is always and forever going to be a favorite subject. It's been a lifelong preoccupation.

And I understand that. But while it might be fine around a table at the pub, it probably isn't in a public,…

No it isn't — but my point is that what would be entirely appropriate between Megan and I in a social setting would not be at all if we were co-workers in a staff meeting.

Naturally. That's actually what I was getting at, that it's not credible to decode insults…

Talking filth isn't necessarily insulting.

No it isn't — but my point is that what would be entirely appropriate between Megan and I in a social setting would not be at all if we were co-workers in a staff meeting. Believe it or not, My Margaret Thatcher-meets-Joan-Rivers-on-crack persona can, and…

Talking filth isn't necessarily insulting.

Not necessarily.

But, it pays to be careful.

I walked past 2 (male) friends talking the other day, having a conversation that included the words "Great tits. Nice legs."

As I walked past, I jokingly said "thanks". But I also gave one of them a…

Up to a point, Ben. But isn't that what everyone who doesn't live in a cave does a hundred times every day?

I don't. Unless people consider my very existence an insult. Mind you, I do call my office my cave sometimes....

Talking filth isn't necessarily insulting.

I think it's why Jon Stewart is quick to emphasise that he runs a comedy show rather than a news show. It leaves his free to make the kind of criticisms he made about Crossfire.

Actually, his criticisms were sound independent of who made them, comedian, newsman, etc That's the…

See, now you put me in a good mood for the whole day, and I had it pencilled as "grumpy". This is just going to mess with my schedule.

Darling, Fifi is all about putting you in a good mood.

[ETA: Just to rather prove Craig's point about filth]

I'd quite gleefully talk filth to my dear chum Frau Fifi Von Spangle-Bling

See, now you put me in a good mood for the whole day, and I had it pencilled as "grumpy". This is just going to mess with my schedule.

I'm not entirely sure if parsing out the exact connotation of insults and insisting on correctness there is ever going to fly. The point is: Insulting people is insulting.

Up to a point, Ben. But isn't that what everyone who doesn't live in a cave does a hundred times every…

I don't see how free speech cannot come with the corollary of freedom to criticise that speech; freedom of expression and freedom to criticise that expression are just two sides of the same coin.

I think that's right, but not every response we're permitted to make to offensive speech is…

I don't see how free speech cannot come with the corollary of freedom to criticise that speech; freedom of expression and freedom to criticise that expression are just two sides of the same coin.

I think that's right, but I wouldn't say that every response we could legally make to…

I don't see how free speech cannot come with the corollary of freedom to criticise that speech; freedom of expression and freedom to criticise that expression are just two sides of the same coin.

I think that's right, but wouldn't want to say that every possible response we could make…

The cunt, or as they say in porn, the pussy is a visual must see to at least half the planet, it can be very photogenic apparently.

The one good thing about all of this is that we as a species have turned violence into semiotics. Where once we would have just been pounding away at each other with sticks and stones, we sublimate violent behaviour into words.

Loud barking, chest beating, pissing on local trees, baring…

How I have missed you

Yeah. He sure is a good cunt.

The mouthfeel is negated a bit by the feeling I'm adding to the "ladies are…

I think my glass is half full today.

Cheers :)

Likewise, without the intent, the insult can even be a term of endearment. Calling people cunts is very often done that way.

I'm reminded of (A) Gene Hunt's "You're surrounded by armed bastards!" which clearly denotes no (additional) denigration…

I'm not entirely sure if parsing out the exact connotation of insults and insisting on correctness there is ever going to fly.

Maybe not. But thinking about it every now and then is nice, rather than just being all 'cunt is a cunt is a cunt is a cunt'*. Language,…

On the other, the idea of consequences for speech can be made to justify outcomes we might not want to support, such as certain kinds of ostracism. Short version, I don't think the idea of consequences for speech implies carte blanche.

Can you give a more specific example of what…

My Media7 laydeez use "slut" as a term of affection with each other all the time.

My best friend and myself use the term "slut" as a term of affection with each other all the time. It probably came about having hung out together as singles and having watched each…

Yes, but as much as we think vaginae and penises are wonderful things, I'm not sure if anyone thinks – or should think – that it is flattering to *be* a vagina/penis/both. (Or to have a vagina/penis for a face.)

much like arseholes, then

I'm thinking Keith is wrong saying "cunt" because its always loaded to ladies ,it means vagina, let's not beat around the bush.

Yes, but as much as we think vaginae and penises are wonderful things, I'm not sure if anyone thinks – or should think – that it is flattering…

How many times did Henry apologise again?

None, if you mean a real one.

Same thing here. I'm wondering if it's even going to be regarded as a swear word for much longer.

My rule of thumb is, if it's in Star Trek, it's no longer taboo.

I once convinced a friend of mine that was what whitebait was... whale jiz.

Mind you, I also convinced her that blind guide dogs were actually blind, hence the phrase "the blind leading the blind."

Lovely girl though. Very pretty.

I imagine she was also quite popular.

I think the point Keith raises about the freedom of speech and the right of others to respond to speech is an…

And the stench from the collective browning of kex at TVNZ management over advertisers pulling out of Breakfarts completely overpowered any freedom of speech…

Now all i'm thinking of is large pools of whale glue floating around the oceans, I'm not swimming this summer.

I once convinced a friend of mine that was what whitebait was... whale jiz.

Mind you, I also convinced her that blind guide dogs were actually blind, hence the phrase…

They sound great, the mouthfeel....

I can see a new toothpaste (or gargle) on the horizon already – A brush with filth – Dirty words reach parts other gels don't go... (with warnings for people with "sensitive teeth" of course...)

A glass act to follow...…

said seriously, in context, and meant with hate.

id est: zazzlessly

My Media7 laydeez use "slut" as a term of affection with each other all the time.

I believe they have may have even used it on me, recently. Which was, you know, fine.

When I say I think about how I feel were it directed at me, I mean...said seriously,…

But then, Americans are just weird about swearing. ...

I keep having conversations wherein people apologise for swearing because they said "shit" once, which usually runs so beneath my radar I don't even ping it as swearing until they start apologising. One day I'm going to, I don't know, drop…

slut, whore, that kind of thing – that's real ladyhate.

I would never, never, never call someone those names. I have never hated a woman enough to use those words on them. I have, however, called myself a slut. Proudly, really.

My Media7 laydeez use "slut" as a term of…

I keep having conversations wherein people apologise for swearing because they said "shit" once, which usually runs so beneath my radar I don't even ping it as swearing until they start apologising.

Same thing here. I'm wondering if it's even going to be regarded as a swear word for much…

and "gay" isn't ready to be given up by the samesexers because it isn't a word they've finished with......but the highschools are dropping these words everywhere.

Geoff, you just paste the raw link here – without all the square brackets rigmarole – and the system does the rest

What always got me thinking it didn't work, was that it didn't show up when I previewed my post. Now I hope for the best anyway and it…

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8tgRIaw2Ac

Ngaio Marsh

She was such a terrible snob.

"whore" can be used as a very specific gendered insult for women with no actual reference to sexual promiscuity

Hmm.That word can be used for men too, and have heard it many times, in reference to their selling themselves/their ideas/principles for a buck. That's probably beside the point you're making,…

Lately I've been reading a lot of vintage detective fiction – Ngaio Marsh, Gladys Mitchell, etc. I love the language, but it can be jolly confusing occasionally when words have changed meaning. I did finally work out that the wife who had "turned gay" had taken a male lover...

I…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8tgRIaw2Ac

(Sorry for being such a klutz but I don't seem able to embed Youtube vids here--even my whiz-kid daughter can't figure it out.)

I would never, never, never call someone those names. I have never hated a woman enough to use those words on them. I have, however, called myself a slut. Proudly, really.

One thing I have noticed here, largely due to the whole California governer race dust-up, is that "whore" can…

That's why the kids love these words. They sound great, the mouthfeel....but not being gay I have no idea how much that would fuck a gay person off just hearing that word used negatively in the street.

In its pejorative sense, gay is the only word banned in my house.…

blame the malign influence of the PAS Women's XV who can swear to make a sailor blush, but still suggest you still think a little about gendered insults.

We try our best to please. I just love the word fuck. My father was a great proponent of it. And on…

I blame the malign influence of the PAS Women's XV who can swear to make a sailor blush, but still suggest you still think a little about gendered insults.

Yeah. Gosh, with the list of ladybit- and non-heteronormative-derived taboo words we're cataloguing on this thread, you might think that New…

That's why the kids love these words. They sound great, the mouthfeel....but not being gay I have no idea how much that would fuck a gay person off just hearing that word used negatively in the street.

I really don't think it requires that big a stretch of the imagination.…

I'll just slap the little cracker upside the head until his ears ring like a cathedral bell.

At a glance, this sentence seems far more borderline wrt NZ FOS limitations than any of the expletives being bandied about. God blessed you Craig.

They're good, sharp, short, percussive words, with good hard consonants in them at the right place, like most good swearwords are. To a certain extent, what they refer to is incidental to their, um, 'mouth-feel', as it were.

So's "gay" — but my BH's grandnephew (who is a sweetie pie…

I blame the malign influence of the PAS Women's XV who can swear to make a sailor blush, but still suggest you still think a little about gendered insults.

I do try really hard to stay away from gendered insults, and I reserve the c-word for when I am really…

What do socialists look like?

In my experience, they are very handsome.

He is a wasted talent, the camera loves him. But TV needs more socialists just so…

I recommend [Kick Ass], too. but that's because it's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, and it made me laugh like a drain.

Seconded. (Well, thirded, I suppose.) Funny, great action scenes, and a good moral for the kids too (who couldn’t see it at…

I recommend it, too. but that's because it's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, and it made me laugh like a drain.

And for the ultimate in comedic F-bombs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWUWPx2VeQ

They're good, sharp, short, percussive words, with good hard consonants in them at the right place, like most good swearwords are. To a certain extent, what they refer…

Poor Debs doesn't understand

I think you could probably have just stopped there.

I do feel (very slightly) bad when I mock the Conester, because it feels like giving a hefty kicking to a yappy puppy*. Also, my mother taught me not to mock the afflicted.

But she's more or…

I give you Deborah Hill Cone...

You can have her back.
Another "free speech = freedom from being criticised if I say something stupid" argument. Plus a bunch of bizarre observations thrown in.

Anyone interest in a real example of infringement of free expression should watch The Court Report episode…

I'd recommend you see Kick-Ass some time

I recommend it, too. but that's because it's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, and it made me laugh like a drain.

But then, Americans are just weird about swearing. I am having to practice some fairly hefty self-censorship.

We told you! Didn't we tell you? When I said 'twat' in passing in that class discussion, lord, the horrified silence...

(My FB status updates often include variants of 'goddammit' just to fuck…

Freedom of speech is being free to say what you want without interference; not from the police, not from lynch mobs, not from your neighbours. They don't get to arrest you, strip you of any of your other legal rights,…

Poor Debs doesn't understand the difference between a conversation and a broadcast (to say nothing of most other matters). Mind you, that has been a long-standing problem with her 'columns'..

I have no doubt she'd understand the difference perfectly well if instead it had been Hone Harawira who had been…

Ask the Outrageous Fortune team, they just got a slap fom the BSA for using the c word last Tuesday. Cheryl was referring to Draska.

That feels like an entirely fair description of Draska, surely?

Deborah Hill Cone on Paul Henry and freedom of speech

Poor Debs doesn't understand the difference between a conversation and a broadcast (to say nothing of most other matters). Mind you, that has been a long-standing problem with her 'columns'..

It was niggling at me as I read the whole thread: we use sex words to badmouth others (and I include myself in this – may have started…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxESvUdIUuE

I like "arsehole" because everybody has one . . .

Only those "boring, ugly, serious people" who don't happen to be ostomates.

Here,…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UT02--Ijdc

Citizens in socialist Cuba lose their own judgment of right or wrong because they have grown up in a society where they have been taught to spout…

There's one infamous scene where the c-bomb is most definitely dropped on a room full of men. And by a 13 year-old actress playing an eleven year old girl, to boot.

Kick-Ass is *trying* to be shocking, though. I think Ben's right that most Americans would be very hesitant to…

Craig: Despite what you think, sometimes, "cock" just isn't enough.

The answer to bad cock is more cock not less. Hey, don't knock it until you've tried it.

I usually try to stick to gender-neutral swearing. I love Deadwood, but shy away from using "cocksucker" in general discourse.

I blame…

*Edit: Duh, in…

"You motherfucking cunt", is fighting words , yet it makes no sense and is a historic result of ladyhating.

Yet as stand alone…

I usually try to stick to gender-neutral swearing. I love Deadwood, but shy away from using "cocksucker" in general discourse.

Recently, I've started to question the concept of politically correct…

I suspect there's one or two feminists who'd be serving fresh hot "shut the fuck up" pies at their stalls in response to that notion.

Craig: Despite what you think, sometimes, "cock" just isn't enough.

(And also: I'm willing to call people `shit', `cock', `arsehole' and various other anatomical rude words. I don't think there's much of a reason to treat `cunt' differently from arsehole or cock, and I am rather suspicious of attempts to do so.)

I suspect there's one or two feminists who'd be serving fresh hot "shut the fuck up" pies at their stalls in response to that notion.

If you count certain "internet feminists" in the category , you'd probably find those stalls would be serving more pies than the White Lady 24/7.

You know, I think that saying that Paul Henry is a cunt is an entirely respectable product in the marketplace of ideas.

I suspect there's one or two feminists who'd be serving fresh hot "shut the fuck up" pies at their stalls in response to that notion.

Remember being shocked whenever I came across it in D H Lawrence's work, but there was a wonderful bit of graffiti I saw in the…

"Bolger: Telecom sale a mistake "

Jesus, Roger Douglas screwed up.

Actually, there's a whole motherload of touchy ethnic issues skimming under the surface there

Absolutely.There is no Miss Perfect skin.

But has Ben congratulated Liu Xiaobo yet? I don't see evidence of it on his blog. How long must we be kept waiting?

I've finally had time to be briefed by my media relations team, and have decided that going forward there will be synergies I can leverage from being…

Now you have the Daily Telegraph in Britain declaring New Zealand at centre of another race row

Well, the Daily Telegraph can STFU and put it's own house in order before pointing the finger.

When I was over in the UK in July, they ran an unpleasant anti-gypsy story which…

Keeping it "Indian":

I recently watched Chris Rock's documentary 'Good Hair'. While the whole thing was pretty jaw-dropping, the sequences on hair weaves were something else....

In short, lots of Indian Hindu women shave their heads as a sign of devotion, and the hair is then sold to the US…

That's the categories. What a Monster.

What no:

Miss Sogyny
Miss Conception
Miss Anthrope
Miss Behaving
Miss Feasance
Miss Apprehension
Miss Cegenation
Miss Fortune
Miss Smash
Miss Judged
Miss Shapen
Miss Stress
Miss Trussed
Miss Directed
Miss Tea-Eyed
Miss Understood
Miss Used

Niece work if you can get it....

Look a white,blue eyed Miss India winner in a beauty pageant is a story anywhere in the world. Celebrating Indian babes usually has a lot to do with their beautiful dark skin tones.

Actually, there's a whole motherload of touchy ethnic issues skimming under the surface there. Ever taken a…

If you're not scared of war ghosts entering your vagina...

If I had a vagina I would be disappointed someone is trying to scare me with it.

I think it most apt that a discussion that began about freedom of speech and the marketplace of ideas has come to this…

Opportunists don't mind whistling up the…

I now have a mental picture of someone hiding behind a door sniggering with a six foot tall vagina, waiting to jump out at Jeremy.

Putting two and two together...

Sacha:

With real harm to NZ's reputation. That's likely to affect whether people want to move here, study here (remember previous…

But that second link now has me wondering about Miss Beautiful Smile Lucy Russell...

Please note that Miss Lucy Russell is Miss Beautiful Skin. Miss Beautiful Smile was won by Miss Isha Shevde.

We are islands in the south pacific who boldly tell the world how fresh and new we are in order to compete in their dollar games yet…

conscious falsification

With real harm to NZ's reputation. That's likely to affect whether people want to move here, study here (remember previous waves of reporting about anti-Asian racism) or visit us with their tourist dollars. And who pays for that?

has precisely nothing to do with the Paul Henry fiasco

I thought the link to Paul Henry isn't the story itself but rather the way it was reported. ie. she doesn't look "Indian" because her mother is actually a "New Zealander". Or a "Kiwi" as the Capital Times had it.…

I trust Prof Mutu knows empirically that 80% of a whale's sperm doesn't get into his girlfriend and that's why the sea tastes salty. (Thank you, Jack Dee)

Now all i'm thinking of is large pools of whale glue floating around the oceans, I'm not swimming this summer.

That's the categories. What a Monster.

But I did feel a wee bit squeamish at Margaret Mutu seeming to state belief as empirical fact.

I trust Prof Mutu knows empirically that 80% of a whale's sperm doesn't get into his girlfriend and that's why the sea tastes salty. (Thank you, Jack Dee)

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the Herald being fed a patsy story by blondie's PR reps, who saw a golden (sorry) opportunity to get their client a nice big wedge of free exposure off the back of the Henry saga.

In which case, it's worked.…

It's still a strange way to celebrate thousands of years of Indian culture by ligning up the…

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the Herald being fed a patsy story by blondie's PR reps, who saw a golden (sorry) opportunity to get their client a nice big wedge of free exposure off the back of the Henry saga.

Probably nothing so organised as…

I would have been happier still if he had been described in more pejorative terms.

How about "a mental midget with the IQ of a fencepost"?

You think? Check out today's 'race row' story about the fair-haired, fair-skinned Miss IndiaNZ winner. Her father is Fijian-Indian, her mother is reported to be... a New Zealander.

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the Herald being fed a patsy story by blondie's PR reps, who…

I now have a mental picture of someone hiding behind a door sniggering with a six foot tall vagina, waiting to jump out at Jeremy.

Wait, what?

Oh, the other one...

If Ms Lal had been excluded from the contest, for not "looking Indian", then that would be a legitimate story. But she wasn't.

If she had been discriminated…

The timeline is fuzzy to me at this point, but Ben was the absolute first to step up and say "It's not OK", without test-polling or fear of consequences, right?

Very same day. I'm pretty sure the stuff news article on Ben's decision was the next main turn reported on,…