Public Address | Cafe | OnPoint: Like a hole in the head https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Peter grower https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=185053#post185053 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=185053#post185053 Sorry for the long copy and paste, but from a former cop ...........

The moment you step into the police, this sub culture within NZ culture hits you. You are immediately part of the thin blue line. You are part of a team and that team looks after itself. You…

]]> Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:30:44 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173652#post173652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173652#post173652

with all the stick I give The Herald it's only fair to offer some positive reinforcement when they commit fact-based journalism on the front page.

Well, yes, this is true. They don't do it often, so kudos to them for that. And to you, for acknowledging it :)

]]> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:34:46 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173651#post173651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173651#post173651

You've clearly not been paying much attention to things I've said in the past, Craig. Either that or you thought I was making it up.

Dude, I hang on your every word like a kitten on a branch in a nauseating inspirational poster — and I wouldn't bother if I…

]]> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:27:26 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173648#post173648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173648#post173648

Well, I hate saying this but the Herald didn't some useful fact-based reporting that suggests you're right. And it was one hell of a surprise to me.

You've clearly not been paying much attention to things I've said in the past, Craig. Either that or you thought I was making…

]]> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:58:39 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173637#post173637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173637#post173637 I just posted tis on the wrong thread... I think. But hey... Whatever

I just had drinks with a Hungarian couple who were granted work permits on the basis of being economists. I asked them the basis of world currency, they told me it was based on gold. I am…

]]> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:04:21 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173625#post173625 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173625#post173625 Holes are a must to avoid...

I knew an enterprising farm lad who wanted to set up a business selling post holes to farmers. He did have a problem with packaging.

that doesn't augur, er well for his future...


Firing broadsides...?

Actually, Broad is pretty adamant that he doesn't want…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:36:41 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173622#post173622 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173622#post173622

I don't buy the argument that having pistols in every car is a significant escalation from current practice. It's not.

Well, I hate saying this but the Herald didn't some useful fact-based reporting that suggests you're right. And it was one hell of a surprise to me.

The only lesson…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:13:03 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173615#post173615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173615#post173615

Every dog handler has a pistol in their vehicle, all the time

Bit of an aggressive approach to dog training that – if it won't stop barking, then shoot it.

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:14:11 +1200 James W https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173587#post173587 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173587#post173587 Via Kiwi Politico, this article from a year ago features the same players being somewhat more cautious than they are today:

Frontline officers will never be routinely armed while he is in charge, the police commissioner says.

Howard Broad, writing in today's Dominion Post, said arming frontline officers would be…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:14:32 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173586#post173586 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173586#post173586

How is Greg O'Connor like a dinner gong — he should be hit hard at regular intervals

I LOL'd, but it's so true.
What O'Connor is pushing for is ready access to instant retribution, nothing more or less. Judge, jury, executioner. He even concedes that many of the recent shootings…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:52:54 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173572#post173572 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173572#post173572

Maybe by last night

Thanks – distracted by more constructive affairs

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:46:04 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173569#post173569 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173569#post173569 I knew an enterprising farm lad who wanted to set up a business selling post holes to farmers. He did have a problem with packaging. I needed 25. Found someone to get them for me last week. See it's not the packaging, it's the marketing, that's where they probably went… ]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:26:36 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173566#post173566 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173566#post173566 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:17:50 +1200 Ian MacKay https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173563#post173563 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173563#post173563 After all, you need to hire hole diggers to dig holes and fill them back up (job creation!)
I knew an enterprising farm lad who wanted to set up a business selling post holes to farmers. He did have a problem with packaging.

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:04:10 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173562#post173562 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173562#post173562

Or are her and Key actually on the same page?

Maybe by last night, but the article Craig linked to starts with "Police should have easier access to guns by Christmas, Police Minister Judith Collins says."

If she, as Craig rather bluntly pointed out, thinks 'more access' does not mean…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:59:14 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173560#post173560 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173560#post173560 So when I said to myself having guns in the car would not have made a difference in this case?
Turns out the actual conculsion is: having a gun in the car didn't make a difference in this case.
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2010/07/tried-and-failed.html

And this is how we make our decisions.

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:40:55 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173553#post173553 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173553#post173553

Wow. Graham Bell tearing strips off Greg O'Connor

Talk to your cabinet ministers before they open their big mouths. Ok, so you were overseas, but...

All this could have been different if Mr. Bell had stuck to inventing the telephone.
But seriously but.
Cost benefit analysis is all very well…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:54:15 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173547#post173547 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173547#post173547 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:24:37 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173546#post173546 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173546#post173546

Here's an idea. Talk to your cabinet ministers before they open their big mouths.

Uh, Collins gave the same answer on Campbell Live last night. I may have missed it but have other Ministers been talking or was that a flip-flop from her? Or are her and Key actually on…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:22:30 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173545#post173545 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173545#post173545 How is Greg O'Connor like a dinner gong — he should be hit hard at regular intervals

Two thousand more police could have ready access to guns while on patrol under plans to put firearms in every frontline car.

But the Police Association wants even greater routine access to firearms…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:21:12 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173533#post173533 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173533#post173533 John Key talking with Matt Heath on bFM this morning clearly does not support greater access to guns for police. He said 'I'd rather look at increasing non-lethal options like tasers at this stage' (sic).

Here's an idea. Talk to your cabinet ministers before they open their big mouths. Ok,…

]]> Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:30:20 +1200 FletcherB https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173524#post173524 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173524#post173524

How many Kiwis are employed in mining currently

Urban tittle-tattle would suggest the answer is plenty.... but mostly in Western Aussie.

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:04:07 +1200 Peter Ashby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173518#post173518 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173518#post173518 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:39:26 +1200 Keith Ng https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173495#post173495 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173495#post173495 now up. ]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:25:37 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173493#post173493 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173493#post173493

will it be any different with future mining? How many Kiwis are employed in mining currently and how many foreigners one wonders...

And even more of a burning issue still, who'll really profit from the big digs?

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:24:31 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173489#post173489 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173489#post173489

Often the jobs created by such projects are just a transfer from elsewhere in the region or country.

Just like all the mining jobs that will be allegedly created if we expand mining – I note the man killed in an ice related crash on the coast the other day…

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:58:50 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173481#post173481 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173481#post173481 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:17:10 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173479#post173479 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173479#post173479

And could Mrs. Collins, Greg O'Connor or Police Commissioner Howard Broad produce any emprical evidence that this kind of policy change doesn't lead to escalation of gun violence and fatalities?

Ah, no? But could someone please get them something to read that hasn't got 'NRA' in small print at the…

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:58:03 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173476#post173476 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173476#post173476

And could Mrs. Collins, Greg O'Connor or Police Commissioner Howard Broad produce any emprical evidence that this kind of policy change doesn't lead to escalation of gun violence and fatalities?

Amadou Diallo, anyone?

Suitable locations might include Waterview and Victoria Park.

Better still, Orewa or Paritai Dr.

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:26:19 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173473#post173473 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173473#post173473 Sorry, I'm still fully occupied trying to process this lethal #realityfail from La Stupida:

She disagreed that better access was a step towards full arming of police and as the policy change had been in train for a while it was not a "knee-jerk" reaction.

"We do have a very…

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:19:09 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173472#post173472 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173472#post173472 The Herald missed Keith's well-spotted point about the cost-benefit analysis being for a publicly-run prison not a PPP one. The proposal's other logic defects are all too obvious. Glad to see the Herald noting the bigger picture.

Thus, rather than applauding benefits to be had from higher crime and more…

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:15:25 +1200 Alastair Jamieson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173471#post173471 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173471#post173471

a permanent hole digging and refilling facility

Suitable locations might include Waterview and Victoria Park.

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:09:15 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173469#post173469 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173469#post173469 Broken. Window. Parable.

__Nuclear facility will bring $1.2b to region, says Collins

“A new nuclear weapons facility to be built in South Auckland will bring $1.2 billion in economic benefits over 30 years, Corrections Minister Judith Collins says.

But she has been criticised for announcing the gains to be had…

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:54:50 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173468#post173468 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173468#post173468 You are more on point than the Herald editorial that attempts to cover similar ground.

Faint praise, I know.

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:54:47 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173465#post173465 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173465#post173465 Further to your 'common sense' angle, Eric Crampton points out the Treasury guide to cost-benefit analysis:

Have you miscounted the use of real economic resources as a benefit? For example, the costs of building a stadium (materials, labour etc) is not a benefit to the economy. Often the jobs created…

]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:34:31 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173464#post173464 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-like-a-hole-in-the-head/?p=173464#post173464 Discussion from blog post.

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