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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A punishment is imposed not on the basis of how many lives an offense claims but on the reaction of the masses . . . the best, if not the only, way to channel the anger of the enraged people in China.</p></blockquote><p>Interesting post Webster, thanks. Seems to be an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:35:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						That's a really thoughtful post there, Webster &ndash; thanks. It's a bit early in the morning for me to comment cogently but I'll try later on. Certainly it wasn't hard to predict that heads would literally roll when the scandal broke internationally.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:14:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Webster Yin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The ironic thing about Locke's statement is, whether the death penalty is an effective deterrent or not, this is the Chinese government acting with the full support of the people. If anything, a democratic Chinese government would be even less likely to spare the death penalty.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe that is exactly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:18:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Also national religious tradition and belief would have a large influence on the possible deterrence of the death penalty. It's a case of what does death actually entail. hell or reincarnation?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:52:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						You're living in a nation with a huge public safety/ social order advertising budget php. Your favorite TV shows are interrupted to remind you of the various social problems surrounding you.  The only oversight could be the assumption that the Chinese are similarly well informed as to the intricacies of…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:40:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>richard thomson</title>
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						<p>Um, okay, so in China there were economic criminals killing small children by lacing their milk with melamine *despite* the threat of the death penalty. In New Zealand (for argument's sake) such people would be allowed to live, yet oddly our milk appears to be sound.<br />Or am I living…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:25:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When has Keith Locke ever gotten the right end of the stick?</p></blockquote><p>Hmm yes, I've been most suspicious of the man ever since I caught him at Bellamy's eating sushi with a fork *and* a knife.</p><p>Most suspicious.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:20:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						I'd favor the term speculation over evidence there Kylle.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:28:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't think they've managed to do that deterred from crime survey yet...</p></blockquote><p>There's lots of evidence that potential penalties have a limited effect in preventing people from committing crime. Try google.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:48:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is there any evidence that a death penalty is more effective at deterring economic crimes than it is at deterring violent crimes (ie, not much at all?).</p></blockquote><p>Don't think they've managed to do that deterred from crime survey yet...</p><p>I don't know, Kyle,isn't it  really a question of would a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:34:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tze Ming Mok</title>
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						<p>Keith, you are just bitter that they tainted your childhood memories of white rabbit candies.</p><p>Seems like a good argument in support of white collar corruption being more receptive to punitive deterrence, but you couldn't say for sure until more white collar criminals are executed and we have a more…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:13:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Holt</title>
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						<p>When has Keith Locke ever gotten the right end of the stick?  Honestly... And he sure has got it in for the Chinese.  Has the man even been there?</p><p>He's another reason the Greens just cannot be taken seriously.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:54:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe they should shoot people in the street for minor but annoying opffences, like stopping on the motorway. Oh, wait..</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's not just the likelihood of deterrence, but the public harm of the crime, too.</p><blockquote><p>Possibly people might think more about the consequences, as it's not so 'heat of…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:58:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks Fonterra!</p></blockquote><p>A good friend of mine who has spent years living in various parts of Asia assures me that you can get fat on their food too, and had the man-boobs to prove it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:50:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Julian Melville</title>
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						Hmm, I've been to Phnom Penh and other bits of Cambodia, various corners of Thailand and Laos, but the only place I've ever been offered child prostitution was a fairly upmarket part of Kuala Lumpur, right across the street from my hotel. Go figure!
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:44:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>I visited Saigon in 07 with Mitchell Pham, who left the country as a child refugee but now spends much of his time there on business. He was genuinely shocked to see a fat teenager at a shopping mall &mdash; or any fat Vietnamese at all, for that matter.</p><p>The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:54:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						One thing I've also noticed about developed countries. Yelling at people over minor things is acceptable. In Southeast Asia at least, yelling at people was totally unacceptable, and a very foolish idea, whether you were in the right or not. It's hard to say which one is more frustrating, when…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:34:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If the death penalty can deter these economic crimes, and these economic crimes affect millions of people, isn't it worth it?</p></blockquote><p>Is there any evidence that a death penalty is more effective at deterring economic crimes than it is at deterring violent crimes (ie, not much at all?).</p><p>Possibly people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:12:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Nice comment TomS</p><p>The poor old greens were really in a bind on commenting on the Sanlu executions<br />On one hand they are always whinning about food purity while on the other hand here is someone (a loverly left wing government) dealing to the bad guys by execution</p><p>Double bind…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:50:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Realising you are first world country comes from all sorts of little observations. I had a friend here from a "developing" country recently and sanitation rated high for her to &ndash; specifically the fabulous public facilities up at Mathewson's Beach near Matakana. She was astonishised that a society would bother…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:11:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I guess that to an economist, that's a reasonable argument. Execution doesn't work against crazed psychopaths, but might for rational blue collar criminals.</p><p>Maybe they should shoot people in the street for minor but annoying opffences, like stopping on the motorway. Oh, wait..</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>I found Vietnam to be probably the least likely communist country &ndash; it seemed like a country full of shop keepers.</p><p>What really did it for me though was all the young women on scooters with evening gloves and masks &ndash; if your cultural concept of beauty revolves around staying…</p>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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