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I am in no way unsupportive of BDSM etc in fact it makes life more interesting.

Craig will be calling you.

I am more offended by the American type of social conservative politician who puts across strong homophobic views as a truth but in reality…

Don't try to do anything useful first thing in the morning

An adage I live by. Rly.

Tragically vanilla on the sexual front, sad to say.

Though there's a best-selling poli sci thesis to be written on youth wings of political parties and in influence of self-inflicted ethyl alcohol poisoning on policy formation. (In brief: Don't try to do anything useful first thing in the morning.) :)

Yep nice restraint Craig. Was joking. Not aiming for 6000 posts man, beleive me. Just happened to post on it while browsing around last night. My apologies.

Darling, I was teasing too so don't get too bent about it. Folks who've been around here for a while know I'm the…

Yep nice restraint Craig. Was joking. Not aiming for 6000 posts man, beleive me. Just happened to post on it while browsing around last night. My apologies.

Nick, I hope you'd not be put off by Craig's comment; I read it as a criticism of Whale, not of you. I've…

Bit of a sidetrack from the drugs I was interested in posting on!! In another thread. If I ever reach 6000 posts and…

I'm concerned that this man goes by the name Whaleoil and uses a gravatar of a dolphin.

Ah, so we've got him under the Fair Trading Act too...

Who owns Keith Ng now?

I'm concerned that this man goes by the name Whaleoil and uses a gravatar of a dolphin.

I commend your restraint, Mr Ranapia.

Hey, if the Young Nats were into BDSM it would have made my life much easier, back in the day. ("Finish that policy paper now, Gimp, then I'll spank you like the dirty dirty man-slut you are.")

Dear Nick Spencer: I see you're a noob around these parts...

I commend your restraint, Mr Ranapia.

But you don't, and you won't, right?

Only grown ups around here. Well, most of the time.

Dude that is lame. So lame. Immature. I always knew those Young Nats/ACT were in to the BDSM but didn't need the visual!!

Dear Nick Spencer: I see you're a noob around these parts...

So there's no companies equivalent of cybersquatting with someone's name?

No. But once you start trading using the name you can get yourself embroiled in potential trade mark issues.

But you don't, and you won't, right?

No. I have better things to do with my time and money.

Oh to have a few hundred dollars to waste and a petty streak...

But you don't, and you won't, right?

I'd rather no one started that kind of shooting match.

They could be used for marketing Adults only products, on the Internet

Heh.

Actually, that could be a problem...

– Cameron Slater Ltd
– Whaleoil Ltd
– Cactus Kate Ltd
– Gotcha NZ Ltd.

Oh to have a few hundred dollars to waste…

Its a dead issue..a question was asked, thats all. Journo 101. There is a right to not reply or offer comment. Or you can have a 5…

They'll be threatening to hold their breath next.

Are they seeking pledges per minute?

Who owns Keith Ng now?

Still think we could have done without learning what a Whale being sodomised with a Cactus looks like. I think we've learned too much about what raising capital for Gotcha involves....

Ah, the reliable puerility of a spoonfed arrested teen.

Was this before or after you saw the MS Paint effort in Whale's latest post?

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2009/09/07/who-owns-keith-ng/

But then they started erasing evidence and falling apart, which was suspicious, baffling, but mostly just amusing.

If you insist on wearing white pancake makeup, too much lipstick, a ruffled suit, red rubber nose and floppy shoes, should you complain about being laughed at?

halfway down here

One of the great NZ sporting photos.

Not a bad motivational picture at the moment Emma; you should use it as your desktop background or something. Good luck,

I look like Bert Sutcliffe...

This one?

Not saying that Emma is Chris Martin or anything.

Probably more like Vettori.

I look like Bert Sutcliffe...

Thankfully the persons concerned are convinced that their blogwar on the left really is Serious Business, and will thus keep on providing amusement for many Friday afternoons into the future.

Sam, I fear you'll be disappointed; I'm guessing this trio has one riff and they've played it.

But then they started…

Irony alert Russell. I thought that was clear enough from the tone of CK posts and my own comment, obviously not.

Sorry Sage, I didn't mean to sound snippy. I just find the whole thing kind of wacky.

Adolescence is spending hours crafting posts, emails and comments pursuing pointless irrelevance. "Fuck Off" would have been a response but would simply have lead to the same pointless theorising.

I beg to differ – that response wouldn't have entirely cut off the flow of speculation, but it would have given…

Keith – Do you really have nothing better to do??? Really? How about putting your skills to use pursuing a submission on tax or posting on public intellectuals at KiwiPolitico [really interesting post and thread there on that subject] or something a little more substantive.

Yes, Keith, and there are…

Fucking hell. I think this all rather demonstrates that the best interaction with these people is none at all.
FWIW, I was amused by the adolescent sense of drama

Irony alert Russell. I thought that was clear enough from the tone of CK posts and my own comment, obviously not.…

Probably more like Vettori.

Isn’t the order of the list of contributors about as meaningful as the NZ batting order?

Heh heh... hey, what!?

Isn’t the order of the list of contributors about as meaningful as the NZ batting order?

Boom!

Russell should demote you to last on his list

No no no. I like Emma being last. That way I never have any trouble finding her in the list. (Sorry all you others but she is my favourite.)

Don't worry, the question is rhetorical and I have definitely finished with you yet.

Gotcha Publishing Limited does not own Gotcha.co.nz, and has absolutely nothing to do with the site... so a person who was…

Well at least for today anyway.

You've filled my friday with such joy – glimpses into Looking Glass Land such as these are rare moments to treasure. (although I readily ackowledge I probably couldn't stand more frequent exposure.)

love your work Keith.

Watch out Keith, if CK keeps on like this, you could be in trouble....oh no wait, you're the one who usually makes sense, has well constructed arguments etc, it's the OTHER lot who are complete nutters. Carry on!

Weapons of mass fisking for the win.

Hilarious...can't be bothered with any of the details (I mean who really cares how/why Gotcha is structered/located etc), but the anger is so...angry!

Watch out Keith, if CK keeps on like this, you could be in trouble....oh no wait, you're the one who usually makes sense, has well constructed…

Keith you really are a numb nuts and Russell should demote you to last on his list of blogs. You have relaunched my blog to perfection. You should have taken my advice to combine sex and travel the other day for your own sake etc etc etc.

What in Christ's…

When you all go out does Russell Brown claim the entertainment expenses through this company?

to assertions like:

If you are not being paid to work for him…

Finally entry through the front.

Right, everyone's an expert in this.

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...

Wow. Will whaleoil be next?

If only, when he arrives, we could get some Days of Our Lives villain music to automatically play. When will he stage his own death for publicity?

Why stop at Belize? Why not found a Randian utopia in the mid-atlantic and register your company there? Then no lefties or poor people could question you again. Nothing could go wrong with that.

And nothing can go wrong in Somalia either.

but it's an endless source of amusement how often those who dish the bitch and demand transparency and accountability at the top of their voices, can't take it back.

Do as CK & WO say, not as they do.

Some people take this power of the pen thing, far to literally.

I was tempted to ask when its a good time to piss Kate off, but do I have the time or the insurance to withstand the inevitable? Not really.

Are you going to answer the legitimate questions that CK raises about your obvious complicated big corporate structure or are you simply going to go the Winston Peters route of ignoring the questions at hand and fantasising at will.

Fucking hell. I think this all rather demonstrates that the best…

The first rule when anyone asks you about your financial affairs (unless you're a politician or public figure): tell them to piss off.

Or you're a blogger prone to accusing your political and personal enemies of various forms of heinous skull-duggery and douche-bagosity? Personally, I'm still not giving a shit…

BTW this is probably a slightly better link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/burningman-live – best time to look is NZ mornings for playa daylight

It looks like the outskirts of Kabul.

Are you going to answer the legitimate questions that CK raises about your obvious complicated big corporate structure or are you simply going to go the Winston Peters route of ignoring the questions at hand and fantasising at will.

After all the questions Keith and Cactus raise are…

Right, everyone's an expert in this.

Keith you really are a numb nuts and Russell should demote you to last on his list of blogs. You have relaunched my blog to perfection. You should have taken my advice to combine sex and travel the other…

What Craig and Ben said. The three names mentioned in relation to the site are three people I'd happily continue to ignore.

And from the moment I first heard about Gotcha!, I was rather sceptical about Slater's ability to play well with others — which is kind of essential if…

So that's at least two blogs that fellow Spondre has been booted from/departed in the last month.

Russsell – can we shake hands and start again ? I am not hung up about Public Address. I apologize for my flippant…

Slater is, as reported in the SST, on income protection insurance, so I doubt he wants them to know that he has a company

This is why I don't get Slater's constant bitching in blog form about dole-bludgers and the like. But I'm obviously not the first to make this…

It may be entirely coincidental…

Which, um, leaves tax and secrecy.

Or it's a publicity stunt. Which is working. Which one would motivate Slater more? Publicity, avoiding 4/5 fuckall tax, or keeping a secret (which he has told everyone to look into)? As he's a full-time shit-stirrer, my money's on publicity. Perhaps Kate was going…

But now I feel guilty, am I ruining the authenticity of Burning Man by viewing online?

Incorporation of IBC's with Standard Authorized Capital of USD$50,000 or Less: USD$700

Annual Renewal Fee: USD$400

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Just sayin'.

Oh well, there is always the "great cuisine of Belize" excuse to fall back on.

Same reason why everyone shopped at The Warehouse for your CD

Did I miss something? When did Keith release a CD?

I'm imagining cover versions of old classics in the same style as William Shatner covering Elton John's 'Rocket Man'.

Rrrrrrocket. Maan.

well, same rules as Highlander. You'd think that would be easy with journos, but you'd be wrong. Oh so wrong.

Man, if I had a dollar for every time I'd dreamed of decapitating Keith and gaining his mutant fisking powers, I'd be able to register a company in Belize and…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTLAlBnoRlA&feature=related

"Same reason why everyone shopped at The Warehouse for your CD instead of the old Sounds....cost and simplicity.
The government fee per annum is only $US100 and unlike NZ companies there's minimal administration required so no additional cost.

I might be comparing apples with oranges, but the Companies Office tells…

unlike NZ companies there's minimal administration required so no additional cost

It is dirt cheap to set a company up in NZ (NZ$160 all up in fees). And the cost to maintain a company in NZ is nothing, as all you have to do is file an annual return each…

Lester Freamon would be proud.

Let's not go nuts here.

"Why Belize?

"Same reason why everyone shopped at The Warehouse for your CD instead of the old Sounds....cost and simplicity.

The government fee per annum is only $US100 and unlike NZ companies there's minimal administration required so no additional cost.

So yes, like everything in life, it…

Which begs the question...

Raises the question.

(yeah, I'm that guy.)

When you reveal who leaked the emails to Nicky Hager, I shall show you the papers to Gotcha! Deal?"

Because obviously, Keith knows who the ninjas are.

Which begs the question, why register as an IBC in Belize? As you may recall, this was the original question I put to you on Tuesday.

Shouldn't the debate today on PA be why the hell Dan Carter's moving to 2nd five-eight?

Hey! I had other things to do, alright? [edit: now I think about it, that's not much of a topic]

"Tax and secrecy?

A) I have found in my life that you have to actually make money and usually a profit to be taxed. The IRD are good like that.

B) secrecy? For christ's sake Keith, everyone knows who Whaleoil is. There's nothing secret about…

it's little wonder you are 6 writers down on the list behind Russell Brown

Ohhh burn!

dnc.org.nz gives us the additional info that the site registrant and administrator, Cameron Slater, is contactable at [redacted — RB] — but is this enough for the lawyers?

Took out the contact details because that's his home address.

And because it would set off another whole round of rolling around…

Which, um, leaves tax and secrecy.

Slater was bitching about getting late night calls from lawyers for the high profile person and some wag on his blog posted the name and contact details ( from whois) of his local hosting service and said leave poor Cam alone call these people instead.

"Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet…

"Keith

Even if you blog/publish etc entirely from overseas it is no protection to actions against you in defamation in another country. The plaintiff need only have damage to their reputation in for example New Zealand for this to occur…

The whole thing looks like a shambles.

I assume defamation law is the reason why the site was registered overseas. I'm not sure whether people can actually…

I was expecting to see something like 'Gotcha is a partnership between bloggers Whaleoil and Cactus Kate to [blah blah blah]'.

I _wasn't_…

Why would one choose a Belize IBC? Aside from not having to pay any taxes in Belize

I amazes me (not really) that
these ACT people seem to want to be neither Citizens nor Taxpayers.