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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Also, if you work for MoH you can't respond to people slagging you off</q></p><p>You can, however, investigate them and charge them with 'fraud' for doing what a bureaucrat/civil servant suggested in order to access much needed funding for disability suports.</p><p>Or,  you can,  after letters and a phone call,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2014 10:04:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>They are people, just like you and me. </q></p><p>No they are not.  Well,  not me.</p><p>I do not lie.  I do not intentionally mislead.  I do,  and have not, compromised my sense of honour( archaic notion, I know) for the sake of a large number of dollars dropping into my…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2014 09:58:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Also, if you work for MoH you can't respond to people slagging you off. It's really bad form to drag civil servants into this kind of thing, especially by name, and I kinda think it's something that we should frown on as a community. Ministers are responsible for their departments,…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2014 01:13:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>And of course those bureaucrats were being honest? Yeah, right.</q></p><p>Actually, they are. You might let a little more light into the argument if you stopped demonising people and thought about the fact that most people join the public service because they want to make the country run, not because…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2014 00:11:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Ta. Reading since then, apparently it's a great counter-example. </p><p>The only reason for this latest 'loan' is to be able to claim there's a Budget "surplus" this year. </p><p>The other one's actually a loan. Unlike how Wellington paid for their equivalent new trains.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2014 21:12:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						If so, steer her in the direction of a more suitable political party.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2014 21:02:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Is that related in any way to the loan for Auckland's new electric trains?</q></p><p>Nope. It's all for roads. The loan for the new trains was already handled in, IIRC, the 2010 budget, and that one's a loan to Auckland Transport which will end up as the owner of the…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>You're really not convincing me you understand how social change and politics works. Perhaps we can pick this up in a different conversation, though. This one is meant to be about the Budget, after all.</q></p><p>I'm not at all sure I understand how social change and politics works. I've seen…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>You seem to mean MoH-funded personal support services? Most disabled people never need to use those, though I appreciate how crucial and poorly-designed the current system for them is.The practicalities of disability though are broader, hence having to look in many places in the Budget to find the expenditures.</q></p><p>Yes,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2014 17:46:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Having had conversations with some of those very bureaucrats</q></p><p>And of course those bureaucrats were being honest?  Yeah,  right.</p><p>On the issue of paying family carers...Tony Ryall was repeatedly spouting the same rhetoric and profferring the identical flawed data that was presented to the HRRT by Crown Law on behalf…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q> One only had to listen to Tony Ryall’s pronouncements (regarding the Family Carers Case) to realize he hadn’t got a clue what was going on in Health, much less in Disability Support Services. He is totally at the mercy of his advisors and other senior bureaucrats.</q></p><p>Having had conversations with…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						I suspect there is no other area of government activity that has embraced neo liberalism to the extent that MOH:DSS has.  The minority of disabled New Zealanders who are dependant on some degree of hands on care have been victims of a support system organised by a ministry that has…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 20:25:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>practical disability issues</q></p><p>You seem to mean MoH-funded personal support services? Most disabled people never need to use those, though I appreciate how crucial and poorly-designed the current system for them is.The practicalities of disability though are broader, hence having to look in many places in the Budget to find…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 18:31:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Do you think there is any chance of getting <br />Marylin Waring to stand again?</q><br />We need all the <a href="http://ripper-records.co.nz/marilyn-waring-working-class-hero-cw-couldn%E2%80%99t-get-it-right/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">working class heroes</a> <br />(and <a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/video/27158/marilyn-waring" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">heroines</a> ) we can get…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 17:01:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>how? to whom?</q></p><p><a href="http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/disability-services/disability-sector-strategic-reference-group" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/disability-services/disability-sector-strategic-reference-group</a></p><p>Would be a start.  All the usual notables here...most importantly Toni Atkinson – DSS Group Manager, Ministry of Health (MOH)<br />Jill Lane – Director National Services Purchasing, MOH<br />Barbara Crawford – Manager Strategy &amp; Contracting Support, DSS, MOH<br />Kathy Brightwell, Manager DSS Policy, Ministry of Health.</p><p>An…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 16:02:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>demand </q></p><p>how? to whom?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 13:32:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Politics is nothing more than a contest over power and resources. </q></p><p>Agreed.  The right to choose the person paid to provide care allocated after an assessment was recognised by the Tribunal and the two Courts.</p><p>The contest for control,  power if you will,  over the "resources" was won,  not by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 13:24:56 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>To give some idea of the relative size of our wins in this Budget, here's disability minister Tariana Turia's <a href="http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/budget-supports-range-disability-services" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">media release</a>.</p><p><q><br />&ndash;   New operating funding of $6 million over four years to provide vocational support services to school leavers with disabilities who are entering the Very High Needs Scheme.</p><p>-…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 13:22:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Being good at politics wins results. Politics is nothing more than a contest over power and resources. That's not going to change. </p><p>Disabled people deserve competent action. Flinging around rhetoric about 'rights' only gets us so far &ndash; and I'd say a decade in the courts should give a solid…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Significant expenditure will always be political. We need to get much better at working the system that influences decisions, like other disadvantaged groups have done.</q></p><p>As soon as one begins to casually use expressions such as "working the system...",  the battle to claim rights that give equality and equity to…</p>
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						Significant expenditure will always be political. We need to get much better at working the system that influences decisions, like other disadvantaged groups have done.
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						<p><q>True, but I think the next leftish govt will look quite different to that one. As will the next rightish govt.</q></p><p>.....and a centrish government will look like what?</p><p>Politics MUST be removed from the provision of required disability supports.</p><p>Disability Support Services are an ongoing need...a right, in fact.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 11:43:07 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>when the Red Flag flew o'er the Beehive</q></p><p>True, but I think the next leftish govt will look quite different to that one. As will the next rightish govt.</p><p>I'd be lobbying Winston and the Greens, as well as applying some pressure to Labour. If that were my day job.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I have not read anything about how Radio New Zealand, NZ Film Commission and NZ On Air fared in the Budget. Is it status quo for them ie further squeezing of funding?</q></p><p>The public broadcasting budget shrank overall because the digital transition funding ended. NZ On Air got an additional…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>The simplest answer to many of them is change the government.</q></p><p>Hmmmm.....</p><p>This issue went to the Human Rights Commission when the Red Flag flew o'er the Beehive.  Could have been sorted then if it there was the will.  There wasn't.  Labour cried "foul!" a year ago when the PHDAct…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 10:25:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						I have not read anything about how Radio New Zealand, NZ Film Commission and NZ On Air fared in the Budget. Is it status quo for them je further squeezing of funding?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Anyone still give a shit about this?</q></p><p>That and many other things. The simplest answer to many of them is change the government.</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>On the eve of the first aniversary of the Public Health and Disability Act amendment,  the highlight of last years budget,  I have been revisiting the posts and comments abounding at the time.</p><p>Especially this one:</p><p><a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-what-andrew-geddis-said-but-shorter/?i=225#replies" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/onpoint-what-andrew-geddis-said-but-shorter/?i=225#replies</a></p><p>Anyone still give a shit about this?</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Hey!  I've found a happy post &ndash; budget person!</p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1405/S00092/extra-funding-for-disability-support-services-in-budget.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1405/S00092/extra-funding-for-disability-support-services-in-budget.htm</a></p><p>So happy that disability support services are down for an extra $112.1 million they are "celebrating".    Hopefully there will be a lot less of this; </p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/canterbury/8712453/Abuse-claims-at-seriously-dysfunctional-care-home" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/canterbury/8712453/Abuse-claims-at-seriously-dysfunctional-care-home</a></p><p>from this particular MOH:DSS Contracted Provider.</p>
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						<p>The CTU’s <a href="http://union.org.nz/news/2014/health-budget-needs-500-million-new-money-avoid-cuts" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pre-Budget analysis</a> of Health funding needs is always interesting.</p><p><q>“We estimate that to avoid cuts in services or increased user charges, the Health Vote would need to increase by at least $499 million just to keep pace with population growth, ageing, and increases in costs,” says CTU economist…</q></p>
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						Ta. That was a dramatic change in track in early 2010.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						When they talk of a surplus, it means that the government is spending less than it takes in taxes over a year. Paying all the debt off would take quite a long time.
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						<p>As for me personally, I still get denied a place on the waiting list for my rare dental condition because I'm not sick enough. Maybe I'll get on it if my condition gave me something like septicaemia... talk about ambulances at the bottom of the cliff.</p><p>Thought about listing my…</p>
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						<p><q>Now, I know for a fact that nothing leaves MoBIE without going through Joyce’s office, even before it gets to the responsible minister so that tells me a little something about how this government intends to regulate the market…</q></p><p>Sounds like Prostetnic Vogon Joyce wants to do a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Robert Moses</a>,…</p>
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						<p><q>That must represent some internal transfer of functions?</q></p><p>But the entities don't exist, that's my point, not the change in budget amounts. Seems to me that the government doesn't want to admit just how big MoBIE has got.</p>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p><q>Also, a number of items in the MoBIE breakdown come up as “Policy advice and outputs” without identifying what these things are for. Will the detail be forthcoming in a later iteration, Keith?</q></p><p>No. If there's no further data in the description then there's no further data. There might be…</p>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p><q>Russel Norman identifies large effective cuts in Health and Education budgets.</q></p><p>Yes and no.. as you can see from <a href="http://publicaddress.net/keith/budget2014/Porcupine.html#9-10" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this crazy chart</a> projected health spending doesn't really *ever* match with actual health spending. It's pretty much just the baseline, with the expectation that more money will be spent on it.</p>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p><q>The visualisation's a bit off for MPI &ndash; "Border Biosecurity Risk Management" is listed as both increasing and decreasing by 100%, as is "Implementation of Policy Advice" (at least I think those are the same thing both times). LINZ has similar issues &ndash; it thinks almost everything is new.</q></p><p>So…</p>
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						<p><q>Funny what turns up</q></p><p>totally</p>
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						<p><q>Nothing for the poor. Not a cent for the bottom.</q></p><p>Please be  more specific. Voters need to hear it.</p>
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						<p><q> Is it fair or not to say that the $375m loan is a dodge to contrive the $372m surplus?</q></p><p>I'm not sure whether NZTA purports to be an independent body whose debt is not guaranteed by the state?</p><p>In any case, the government is on shaky ground in this area.…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Ultimately, I think this budget is fine, and National really is doing a reasonable job of managing the finances.</q></p><p>This opines the authentic self-satisfied liberal middle class.</p><p>Nothing for the poor. Not a cent for the bottom.</p><p>Still, I guess we got gay marriage.</p><p>Francis Fukuyama was right. The neo-libs…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>They did some helpful summaries in previous Budgets. Takes ages to riffle through the various docs otherwise.</q></p><p>Aha!  You can teach an old b^#ch new tricks! Thank you Sacha.</p><p>Anyway,  the taking "ages" bit I get,  but  I also do a fair amount of riffling myself..  Quite enjoy the pastime.…</p>
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						<p>They did some helpful summaries in previous Budgets. Takes ages to riffle through the various docs otherwise.</p><p>Note that if you highlight text in a comment before you click on Reply it automagically gets pasted in as an indented quote. Handy.</p>
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						<p>"I imagine one of the disability organisations will analyse that &ndash; perhaps DPA now that they have a really good policy person on board."</p><p>I will await such an analysis with bated breath.</p><p>Although,  since the Government is funding DPA NZ to the tune of $615,837....</p><p><a href="http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/PublicAnnualReturn?nocId=a9b164fe-cc62-e311-8f2f-00155d0d1916&amp;charityRef=DIS00007&amp;accountId=eb40962d-ed89-dc11-98a0-0015c5f3da29&amp;searchId=2d51ec04-e061-4332-b5c7-3da29a6cfe18&amp;nocRef=DIS00007AR007" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/PublicAnnualReturn?nocId=a9b164fe-cc62-e311-8f2f-00155d0d1916&amp;charityRef=DIS00007&amp;accountId=eb40962d-ed89-dc11-98a0-0015c5f3da29&amp;searchId=2d51ec04-e061-4332-b5c7-3da29a6cfe18&amp;nocRef=DIS00007AR007</a></p><p>compared to $11,000…</p>
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						<p><q>DBH $74.9M (down 48.1%</q></p><p>That must represent some internal transfer of functions?</p>
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						<p><q>Disability services do seem to miss out</q></p><p>We need to see all the other amounts spread across government, not just the MoH-funded support services. It all adds up to about $3b. </p><p>I imagine one of the disability organisations will analyse that &ndash; perhaps DPA now that they have a really…</p>
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						<p>Just a first glance but these things stood out:</p><p>MoBIE    2.3B in 2015  (down 16.7% 2014-2015)<br />DoL        1.1B (down 10.1% 2014-2015)<br />MED      254M  (down 30.7% 2014-2015)<br />MSI       113.4M  (down 0.3% 2014-2015)<br />DBH      $74.9M  (down 48.1% 2014-2015)</p><p>All as separate line items, yet the later 4 were subsumed into the former…</p>
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						<p><q>Competent Budget in which the free doctors’ visits for under-13s will justifiably get a lot of coverage</q></p><p>Totally. Great policy.</p>
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						<p>Russel Norman identifies large <a href="https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/national-cuts-health-and-education-pay-faux-surplus" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">effective cuts</a> in Health and Education budgets. </p><p><q>For Education, there is a nominal increase over those years from $10.12 billion in 2014/15 to $10.15 billion, but in real terms that is a 5.5 percent cut.</p><p>"In Health spending, the cuts over the three years amounts to…</q></p>
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						Is that related in any way to the loan for Auckland's new electric trains?
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						<p><q>This will cost only what it costs to serve the loan, but I'm not clear on how NZTA pays it back. Is it fair or not to say that the $375m loan is a dodge to contrive the $372m surplus?</q></p><p>Seems about right. NZTA is only too willing to bend…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Okay, thoughts please on the decision to grant a $375m interest-free loan rather than conventional funding to NZTA.</p><p>This will cost only what it costs to serve the loan, but I'm not clear on how NZTA pays it back. Is it fair or not to say that the $375m loan…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						$5.2m less for public broadcasting and $4.4m for the First World War instead.
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						<p><q>a big increase ($180m) for Defence</q></p><p>We must be strong.<br />For if we are weak, we are not strong.<br />And if we are not strong, we are weak.<br />So we must be strong.<br />....</p>
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				<title>Terry Baucher</title>
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						<p><q>And the bulges in the Gallery’s pants were already starting to show in the Budget lock-up, which bodes poorly for the election</q></p><p>To be fair Keith, and probably to our equal surprise, the first question to Bill English in the lockup wasn't about tax cuts.  (Brooke Sabin asked a number…</p>
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				<title>Michael Homer</title>
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						The visualisation's a bit off for <a href="http://publicaddress.net/keith/budget2014/HotTree.html#expenditure.real.2014.2312" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MPI</a> &ndash; "Border Biosecurity Risk Management" is listed as both increasing and decreasing by 100%, as is "Implementation of Policy Advice" (at least I think those are the same thing both times). <a href="http://publicaddress.net/keith/budget2014/HotTree.html#expenditure.real.2014.2304" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">LINZ</a> has similar issues &ndash; it thinks almost everything is new. Only…
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Mea culpa....</p><p>link to PHDAct amendment</p><p><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0118/latest/whole.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0118/latest/whole.html</a></p><p>and the RIS    •<a href="http://www.health.govt.nz/familycarersris" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.health.govt.nz/familycarersris</a></p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Yeah, though I can't work out with absolute certainty whether that means what it looks like it means. I'll assume it does for the moment.</p><p>Interestingly there's a big increase ($180m) for Defence. New helicopters and frigate upgrades, mostly. Which, you know, might be justifiable &ndash; there are arguments for…</p>
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						<p>The 2013 Budget delivered a miserly response from the Government to<br />the outcome of the Appeal against the 'Famiy Carers Case".</p><p>Instead of merely removing the prohibition against the payment of<br />family members providing care for those eligible for Home And<br />Community Support Services via MOH: Disability Support Services,  the…</p>
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						<p><q>Competent Budget</q><br />Erm...<br />Sound like a Labour budget almost. As for that surplus.<br />As Winston pointed out, the amount of surplus is less than the amount than the insurance payout for Chch, which went into Govt. bonds thus showing as a positive amount in treasury.</p>
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						<p>The answer on Problem Gambling funding:</p><p><q>Reasons for Change in Appropriation The decrease of $1.936 million is due to the expected timing of expenditure under the Problem Gambling 3-Year Services Plan and a one-off funding transfer, which increased the 2013/14 appropriation by $1.730 million. Current and past policy initiatives are…</q></p>
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						<p>Competent Budget in which the free doctors’ visits for under-13s will justifiably get a lot of coverage. But … it appears that this government continues to hate on public health and primary care services, including for disability. Cuts in dollar terms in quite a few places.</p><p>And for reasons I…</p>
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