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				<title>Rochelle Hume</title>
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						<p>Awesome post Keith.  </p><p>Makes me so happy to see good journalism in NZ!</p><blockquote><p>It'll be just like the bat signal shining over Gotham's night sky.</p><p>A big turd picture, posted on PAS.</p></blockquote><p>I'll be looking out for it..!!</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>It'll be just like the bat signal shining over Gotham's night sky.</p><p>A big turd picture, posted on PAS.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:17:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						Actually, what would be super helpful is if you could let me know if you come across a significant statement that has the waff of bullshit. I can take it from there...
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<p>Thanks Keith, you always help to nudge my despair with journalism in a more positive direction.</p><p>A fact-checking web site would be a massive drain: as an alternative, what about a Bullshitometer for key (!) politicians, agencies and... journalists?</p><p>We could have a ballot to pick 8 important mouths or…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:22:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It would be perfectly possible to develop a model that calculates the optimum usage of generating capacity to minimise CO2 emissions and/or energy cost while maintaining reliable supply.</p></blockquote><p>Wash your mouth out <em>yo</em> :)<br />Back in the ol' skool NZED days they also used to account for wear and tear…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>The pseudo-market thing for electricity is dumb, especially when over 80% plus of the suppliers to the "market" are simply different arms of the state.</p><p>It would be perfectly possible to develop a model that calculates the optimum usage of generating capacity to minimise CO2 emissions and/or energy cost while…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Yeah, about that website: I'm prepared to donate money or labour, or just a spare ethernet cable.
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>"a wiki-styled website which fact-checked politicians and promoted transparency by hosting source data."</p><p>I'll have one of those.</p><p>Great reporting Keith.</p>
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						<p>Linger </p><p>It was stressed but not blackout stressed, more around the potential to have to call up reserves so meaning there would be no further margin for error. </p><p>Summer is a low load so the preferred maintenance time. Contact signalled its maintencne of stratford a year or so ago and…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The dailies' coverage of electricity issues seems to veer unevenly between "blackout threat looms!" and "why do power companies keep raising prices?"</p></blockquote><p>Similar, but not identical to the media's treatment of the property market.  Someone's going to have a brain bleed if a photogenically pathetic family doesn't (literally) get thrown…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:28:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, now they're haltingly reading out transcripts of John Key interviews with all them um/ah/er conversational noises left in.</p></blockquote><p>I'm gleefully guilty of that. From an article I wrote in 2006:</p><p>__“It points to imperfections in earlier planning. Mmm.” Energy Minister David Parker nods approvingly at his own summation of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:15:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Thomas</title>
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						<p>I/O: <em>but were willing to let that 5% go at $250 and that bid happened to be the one that set the market price. Major hydro has not stopped generating during this time.</em></p><p>Yep, absolutely. But then the question's just reset as to why the opportunity cost on that margin…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:55:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Thomas</title>
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						I/S: totally. But it afflicts residential consumers and reporters the same way. The dailies' coverage of electricity issues seems to veer unevenly between "blackout threat looms!" and "why do power companies keep raising prices?"
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Was there any extent to which the "stressed state" was artificially exaggerated? e.g. did those plants all need to be down for maintenance <em>simultaneously</em>, or could maintenance have been staggered more?
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						<p>I/s </p><p>Generally I'd agree but it has been interesting how quiet they have been this year compared to 2005.</p>
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						<p>I/s </p><p>Generally I'd agree but it has been interesting how quiet they have been this year compared to 2005.</p>
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						<p>Ben/keith</p><p>Whirinaki switching on is purely price driven. $200 at the Whirinaki node for 4 hours or the cost of fuel, whichever is higher. The exception being a signifcant emergency shortfall in generation.</p><p>It is not designed to only run 1 in 60. That is the security standard for the…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If we accept that there will be random fluctuations in the quantity supplied, and that the price mechanism should be used to manage that</p></blockquote><p>I think one of the problems is that our major electricity users <em>don't</em> accept that.  They want a market, but only if its a one-way bet.…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...not a persuasive or endearing form of argument</p></blockquote><p>Well, now they're haltingly reading out transcripts of John Key interviews with all them um/ah/er conversational noises left in.</p><p>It's the kind of thing that puts you off voting.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:32:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p>Cheers, Ben!</p><p>First, this was not the system in its normal state. It was in a stressed state.</p><p>Huntley was running far below capacity because the river temperature was too high, and therefore it couldn't be used for cooling (this was the biggest factor). New Plymouth (was it NP? The…</p>
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				<title>Mark Thomas</title>
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						<blockquote><p>even a 250% mark up wasn't worth it to the generator</p></blockquote><p>...but is it enough to make construction of new power plants economic? i suppose you'd need a PhD in economics to work that one out</p>
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				<title>Ben Thomas</title>
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						<p>Yo Keith,<br />Two things:</p><p>You were right to call Brownlee on his exaggeration of the risk of blackout. Perhaps he couldn't have been expected to resist the temptation of jumping on the media bandwagon about the "crisis", given some of the more excitable rags.</p><p>Nonetheless, there was a shortage of…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It begs the question: Is debating actual facts completely pointless when, according to our learned spin-doctors, it's all about the frequency of keywords?</p></blockquote><p>Each fact represents a new and useful opportunity to reinforce the meme.  Each factoid a dangerous trap that may associate the meme with untruthfulness.</p>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Keith &mdash; if you refrained from retorting with "no, buddy, you're the one who needs to sharpen up and not talk crap when you get caught out", you're a better man than me.</p></blockquote><p>Hardly. I knew that quote was going to be pure comedy gold when I printed it alongside…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Craig you are reading too much into the story. The PR man was laughing at the system.</p></blockquote><p>Meh... I have the uncomfortable sense that who he's actually laughing at is the rest of us.  Sorry, am I the only person who was even slightly disquieted when two of the most…</p>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote>...by framing it as an ad hominem, we lose sight of what we actually want from our Opposition. While this might not be an especially popular view, I actually appreciated that Key didn't start shooting his mouth off as soon as the AIA story broke. Ideally, you'd prefer him to…</blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a meme. Once you've been exposed, it's hard not to recognise the behaviour its referring to when you see it.</p></blockquote><p>Of course. We all do it. My point was more that it doesn't look so much like actual Ninth Floor spin as the spin doctors knowing a good thing…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Subsequently someone tried to, in a but-I-didn't-say-it-was-about-anyone-specific way, read out the dictionary definition of 'slippery'. Which was ruled to still be an implication, and out of order,</p><p>Cue complaints about the dictionary being ruled out of order.</p></blockquote><p>The salary of these people should be much more closely tied to the…</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						Keith &mdash; if you refrained from retorting with "no, buddy, you're the one who needs to sharpen up and not talk crap when you get caught out", you're a better man than me (a fairly insubstantial feat, truth be told).
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Was there allmost a 'chuck you down the stairs moment' in Brownlees comments?</p><p>"..With all due respect – we can terminate this interview if you want – but you've got to sharpen up a bit here.."</p></blockquote><p>It was a cute moment, really. I was thinking 'right &ndash; I have authoritative,…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Standard uses it at every opportunity now, and there's clearly a conscious effort to do so. No Right Turn and others have used it recently too.</p></blockquote><p>It's a meme.  Once you've been exposed, it's hard not to recognise the behaviour its referring to when you see it.  I use…</p>
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				<title>Mark Thomas</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps that's just the free market I love coming back to bite me in the arse, but I don't have to like it. :)</p></blockquote><p>well, there's something in that.<br />are TVNZ7 aiming to become something like BBC news?  i think the BBC is funded by the UK government.  as is…</p>
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but I just couldn't take seriously this crisis of conscience from someone who bolted from the newsroom</p></blockquote><p>Craig you are  reading too much into the story.  The PR man was laughing at the system. The issue is a free market that allows Murdoch et al to print rubbish or their…</p>
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				<title>mic weevil</title>
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						<blockquote><p>These people are trying to put a bit of gloss on a very big turd</p></blockquote><p>or is mr Brownlee trying to smear a bit of brown stuff all over some fairly unalarming information?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>We seem unable to receive the unedited truth from mainstream media.</p></blockquote><p>Waiter, a finger bowl for Mr. Pilate.  I once had a similar conversation at a party with a PR flack, and (my big bad) I just couldn't resist laughing in his face.  Sorry, but I just couldn't take seriously…</p>
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						In some ways it seems surprising that it has taken so long for spin doctors to catch onto the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_effect" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mere exposure effect</a>. Wonder why Nike bother to put their swoosh on <em>everything</em>? Or say a ubiquitous pair of golden arches...
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						Fantastic post Keith.  Regular analysis of this nature would hopefully have the effect of getting politicians to pull their socks up, to avoid being embarassed.  Hopefully your approach will catch on more widely and it won't just be up to you!
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						Congratulations on an excellent post.  Independence is something to be treasured.  We seem unable to receive the unedited truth from mainstream media. I discussed the subject on the Eastbourne ferry a couple of weeks ago with a couple of acquaintances that earn a living out of PR.  They said they…
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						<blockquote><p>... and who decided to put those grisly ultra-close up macro pictures of sainsbury's face on the side of auckland buses? argh!</p></blockquote><p>The thought processes of TVNZ's publicity department, like the peace of God Surpasseth human understanding.  But all Sainsbury does is make me break into the chorus of 'I…</p>
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						<p>keith, two words &ndash; "thank" and "you".</p><blockquote><p>on a positive note, i caught a bit of TVNZ7 news at 8pm last night, it wasn't too bad. Definitely more in-depth that the tv one infotainment</p></blockquote><p>oh thank god.  bring on freeview and TV7 news at my house (we're getting there).</p>
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						... and who decided to put those grisly ultra-close up macro pictures of sainsbury's face on the side of auckland buses?   argh!
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						<blockquote><p>true. and they're probably one of the more impartial/reliable news sources in NZ...</p></blockquote><p>And I do want to be fair-minded here:  In a much more modest way, I know what it's like to have a deadline that won't move by one second, not matter how much you rant and swear,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Mark: I found them interesting, but would suggest that Radio NZ needs to clean up it's own act more than a little.</p></blockquote><p>true.  and they're probably one of the more impartial/reliable news sources in NZ...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I assume you heard the articles on National Radio on Monday, about PR manipulation of media</p></blockquote><p>Mark:  I found them interesting, but would suggest that Radio NZ needs to clean up it's own act more than a little.</p>
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						actually to me it sounded more like a Muldoon moment from decades past (note to Nat MPs &ndash; that's not a compliment ...)
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						<blockquote><p>Was there allmost a 'chuck you down the stairs moment' in Brownlees comments?</p><p>"..With all due respect – we can terminate this interview if you want – but you've got to sharpen up a bit here.."</p><p>Scary</p></blockquote><p>Steve: </p><p>What I find scary is that kind of bullshit.  Hey, I could…</p>
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						<p>Just chiming in with the praise &ndash; I look forward to more of these stories on an even more regular basis. :D</p><p>What Nicky said at the conference really resonated with me actually, in that it's actually really hard to fight that kind of linguistic snowball effect. And the 'slippery…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>on a positive note, i caught a bit of TVNZ7 news at 8pm last night, it wasn't too bad. Definitely more in-depth that the tv one infotainment</p></blockquote><p>I haven't managed to catch it yet, but I've heard good things from people. They don't have much in the way of resources,…</p>
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						<p>Was there allmost a 'chuck you down the stairs moment' in Brownlees comments?</p><p>"..With all due respect – we can terminate this interview if you want – but you've got to sharpen up a bit here.."</p><p>Scary</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						Good stuff Keith. Great to think that there is a journalist who doesn't insult my intelligence as TV reporters seem to do.
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						<p>Great post Keith.<br />I assume you heard the articles on <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/20080331" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National Radio on Monday</a>, about PR manipulation of media</p><p>on a positive note, i caught a bit of TVNZ7 news at 8pm last night, it wasn't too bad.  Definitely more in-depth that the tv one infotainment</p>
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						<p>I rather suspect that the "Slippery John" meme wasn't actually created by Labour, but adopted from the wild. The Standard was using it as far back as December, in this YouTube clip:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiFyTA1K0Pg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiFyTA1K0Pg</a></p><p>The Standard uses it at every opportunity now, and there's clearly a conscious effort to do so.…</p>
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						so you're saying that it's really Brownlee that's the slippery one? .... (or just clueless)
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						<blockquote><p>This was a few months back, at the beginning of "Phase I" of my conspiracy for numeracy.</p></blockquote><p>The <em>Numerista</em>?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Subsequently someone tried to, in a but-I-didn't-say-it-was-about-anyone-specific way, read out the dictionary definition of 'slippery'. Which was ruled to still be an implication, and out of order,</p><p>Cue complaints about the dictionary being ruled out of order.</p></blockquote><p>*sigh*  One of the first things I learned in high school debate club…</p>
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						<p>Did you happen to catch parliament the other day &ndash; the last general debate I think? Repeated efforts to not-quite-directly call Mr Key "Slippery John" ("The man the media have dubbed 'Slippery John'") were ruled out of order, </p><p>Subsequently someone tried to, in a but-I-didn't-say-it-was-about-anyone-specific way, read out the dictionary…</p>
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						Bloody nice work on your energy analysis, Keith.  I am slightly reassured to know that we have at least one clever journalist in this country.
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