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Hahaha, magnificent. And an eerily accurate rendition of my grey-market milk experience, sans the queue of Twix-loving murderers...

I've paid well over $4 for two litres of milk very recently. Maybe it as at the corner dairy. Maybe it was at New World in Birkenhead. I don't remember.

Ah, New World. That'd do it. My flat shops at Pak'n'Save, and gets 3L bottles of milk for about $4.30.

Why would anyone pay $4+?

The supermarket on Rarotonga sells fresh milk for $14.95 NZ/2 litres. That's A2 fancy milk, they don't seem to have regular fresh milk there.

Most of the milk consumed on the island is long-life milk in just juice type litre containers. About $3.50/litre.

It confused…

I already had to have porridge today cause of Che.

my sole purpose, la dolce vita.

mainly because they dont have a choice?

I live in a relatively remote area: I shop at what is also the mail agency (saving an additional trip) for bare essentials – papers,onions, that kind of thing. O, and a litre of milk a…

A case of thinking things are more expensive than they are.

don't fret. you've obviously been indoctrinated by the msm.

and @sophie. hope that herbal remedy gets you feeling better. if you aren't sure which shop to buy it from then there must be someone here who could point you…

Man I want to shop where StatsNZ shop. My 2 litres of milk cost me a heap more than that – up over $4.

Having said this, I checked at the supermarket last night, $3.30. A case of thinking things are more expensive than they are.

I buy soy milk from Aldi at $1.49 per litre, and So Good is $2.35 at my local IGA, so I'm sure it doesn't have to be that expensive.

Locally, I pay at least $2.50 (also IGA) but it's for a litre you're right – I looked at the packet…

To boost his appetite he used herbal remedies

"right on". those herbal remedies are well-recognised as an anti-nausea agent, and also increase appetite for some.

as long as they don't effect the chemo drugs themselves, then get him into them.

plus,* * i have heard * *, you can often…

soy products but they're not cheap either – 500 mls of most non-GMO soy milk is around the AUD $3.00 mark.

I buy soy milk from Aldi at $1.49 per litre, and So Good is $2.35 at my local IGA, so I'm sure it doesn't have to be that expensive.…

Do you think the providers of the container load of spinach I just bought might call you tomorrow; I might need some support canceling the deal...?

Sure, as long as I don't have to moo at them.

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/jeanette-fitzsimon-will-step-down-next-yearand-here-her-replacement-options-are-aired/

To boost his appetite he used herbal remedies

"right on". those herbal remedies are well-recognised as an anti-nausea agent, and also increase appetite for some.

as long as they don't effect the chemo drugs themselves, then get him into them.

And I don’t care what anybody says, growth hormones, fat, cholesterol, allergenic proteins, blood, pus, antibiotics, bacteria, and viruses do not “do a body good!”

jesus... thanks for that steve... i'll file it next to someone's description of eggs as "chicken menstruation".

Not being a cow, and only having one stomach, and also not having the ability to produce milk, I suspect my body wouldn't work so well in this regard.

Do you think the providers of the container load of spinach I just bought might call you tomorrow; I might need…

I want to see the…

It seems pretty simple to me Paul. Cows obtain the calcium that is in their milk from the same source as we should – leafy greens.

Not being a cow, and only having one stomach, and also not having the ability to produce milk, I suspect my body wouldn't work…

And kids get their lifelong food habits from their parents – start them young on a fresh, healthy and ethical diet and they'll thank you one day

Michael, for ethical, dietary and health reasons, I both agree and mostly follow this basic approach. This doesn't mean a vegetarian diet, IMO,…

MILK – A RECIPE FOR CANCER

And I don’t care what anybody says, growth hormones, fat, cholesterol, allergenic proteins, blood, pus, antibiotics, bacteria, and viruses do not “do a body good!” Then why does such a large…

start them young on a fresh, healthy and ethical diet and they'll thank you one day

Possibly after whinging about hippy parents through childhood, teenagerness and beyond. I had non-hippy but sensible-middle-class-sweet-restricting folks and it took me until my 30s to stop buying a few dollars worth of sweeties with…

It seems pretty simple to me Paul. Cows obtain the calcium that is in their milk from the same source as we should – leafy greens.

And kids get their lifelong food habits from their parents – start…

I buy a 1kg block of budget cheese from pac n save for 10 dollars. I use it mainly for crackers on the odd evening and we had macaroni and cheese for dinner last night.

It last about 4 shops…

It's expensive, unhealthy, unnecessary to survival and requires the mass exploitation and slaughter of sentient beings.

Not unreasonable but lots of kids get most of the calcium from dairy – my youngest is allergic so she's getting hers from soy products but they're not cheap either – 500 mls of…

Go without.

It's expensive, unhealthy, unnecessary to survival and requires the mass exploitation and slaughter of sentient beings.

Or hey, just keep on milking it for all it's worth :)…

the next time you take a long trip in an aeroplane, have a look out of the window and see just how insignificant the human impact is on a global scale.

png's forests all but gone in 13 years

then there's the continents of plastic…

so, what he said too.

Sure – I'm not wedded to dairy at all. But I'm just saying, growing cash crops where we have a competitive advantage, and using that to trade for other kinds of food is much more reasonable than trying to grow everything (bananas, for example) ourselves.

i've always thought that people…

the next time you take a long trip in an aeroplane, have a look out of the window and see just how insignificant the human impact is on a global scale.

it depends where you're looking. south east asia isn't pretty. i flew between hanoi and hong kong the other…

*Thread hijack*

This is just a plain dumb thing to say. Despite the self-serving assertions by the industrial-fishing complex there is little evidence that the QMS/TAC system introduced in the 1980's…

the next time you take a long trip in an aeroplane, have a look out of the window and see just how insignificant the human impact is on a global scale.

He's not looking very hard. Last time I flew, I saw a coal power station emitting…

I have nothing but respect fot Organic farmers, they are up against it with the big fertiliser companies. Did you hear about this?
The Probitas Story

Background

Commission investigation. In 2003 Mr Campbell approached a dairy farmer, Andrew Sime, wanting to buy lime and papa rock clay from Mr…

You can't buy locally caught fish at any resturant on Waiheke Is. it's all caught there, processd in Nth AKL, trucked to Sth AKL, and ferried back to Waiheke Is. – simple & efficient – Not.

Subsistence fishers have no provision under our fishing regeime – so flicking a line in…

Did anybody else notice that

$3.22 – $2.62 = $0.60

which is easily misreported as a 60 percent increase rather than 60 cent increase?

Heh, that's quite likely, actually. But it's not the reporters' mistake (nor mine). It's right here in the speech notes.

Still, it never ceases to amazing…

Which, I assume, means that she wants New Zealand farming to diversify — away from the areas where it's strongest, and into areas where it's not.

Sue Kedgley mentioned garlic, which is one product where local producers have pushed back against cheap imports.

Chinese garlic is dirt cheap and usually…

Whoops, wrong thread... Back to the price of cheese.

Presumably we pay the lowest rate in the world for dairy products,

I've heardr anecdotal evidence that Lurpak butter, from Denmark, is selling in our supermarkets at lower cost than NZ butter.

Can anyone confirm?

Presumably we pay the lowest rate in the world for dairy products, since our milk is priced at the global rate less shipping half-way around the globe.

Except that a 1 kilo block of Mainland Tasty costs $10.38 in my local supermarket in Adelaide (a 'quality' supermarket, so I tend…

$3.22 – $2.62 = $0.60

which is easily misreported as a 60 percent increase rather than 60 cent increase?

I lack a fake PhD from the UK (mine's real and from the University of Auckland) so I don't think you really need one to spot…

Saudi Arabia, interestingly, does have petrol at…

I wont even think about purchasing at a dairy or petrol station...

My local dairy charges $3 for a 2l milk, or 2 for $5, far less than anything available at the local Foodtown.

Man I want to shop where StatsNZ shop. My 2 litres of milk cost me a heap more than that – up over $4.

Look closer...

Where I shop, you choose how much to pay.

Anchor/Meadow Fresh around $4.30
Signature Range ~ $3.90
Home Brand ~ $3.20
(prices approximate due…

The only quota that works in NZ is the Community Quota of the Chatham Islands rather than the criminal Individual Transferable Sytem we run for the rest of NZ.

The $10000 minimum to claim any quota wiped out the smaller and more sustainable seasonal fishers (read Maori/seasonal…

I happen to strongly disagree with you, and that in many cases dairy is an highly inefficient use of some of the best growing conditions on the planet.

and, what george said.

the Greens are righ tto ask what we get out of the dairy industry. They polute our atmosphere, poison our rivers, dodge their taxes, and we don't even get cheap cheese.

i agree. the taxpayer will be covering their externalities for decades.

look at the rotorua lakes if you need…

Not only is it what New Zealand is good at, it's also a valuable insurance against world food prices. To cutting down dairy production in favour of wheat etc. is like pouring water down the drain so you have empty vessels to catch rain with.…

More to the point, is it really Fonterra's responsibility to keep milk cheap for New Zealanders?

Not really. But at the same time the Greens are righ tto ask what we get out of the dairy industry. They polute our atmosphere, poison our rivers, dodge their taxes, and we don't…

Secondly, I too wonder where Fitzsimons got the 60%…

He's basically saying that it doesn't matter where the carbon is – ground, plants, cow, air.

Clearly it does matter where the carbon is. If we burn a big forest, all the carbon gets released into the atmosphere. That's an environmental problem.

Think about the relevant ages of the carbon…

They take it in through their food and release it subsequently. They're not dredging up deeply-sequestered carbon deposits from millions of years ago, they eat grass, that's probably only a few months old. At worst they should be carbon-neutral, and if that article is correct they actually sequester carbon…

they eat grass, that's probably only a few months old. At worst they should be carbon-neutral, and if that article is correct they actually sequester carbon back into the ground.

There are many people studying livestock and greenhouse gas emissions, and I've never heard the claim that livestock are greenhouse…

As pointed out in this article by an associate professor at U Auckland, animals don't generate CO2 and methane from nowhere. They take it in through their food and release it subsequently.

I'm no scientist, but this doesn't make sense to me:

When it comes to methane, it is not…

Throw a fishing line into the sea. It's real cheap.

Yes, I do that. And I grow my own vegetables. And I have a stand of fruit trees. And I hunt wild pigs in the bush on weekends. With my bare hands so the pig has a chance ...
If only…

But imagine if it was cheaper meaning you could eat it 3-4 nights a week. That would be a lot healthier for our society than the crap we eat now.

Throw a fishing line into the sea. It's real cheap.

The Greens really want the dairy farmers to be spending some of their new found wealth cleaning up their environmental act

And rightly so. The farm runoff issue is a pretty big one. But the Greens need to work out which farm pollution sources are real, like pasture runoff, and…

Seafood is a 'luxury' because it is so expensive. But imagine if it was cheaper meaning you could eat it 3-4 nights a week.

Would that include abolishing quotas and encouraging industrial driftnets? You know, increase supply and force the price down. :)

Well with the mess you "moderates" and your capitalist friends have got the world into a little radicalism would be welcome in my opinion.

Really? You might want to justify that a little. Was the Cold War, WW2, Tsarist rule, Fascist, Communist radicals so good?

Give me moderates any day.

According to StatsNZ's Food Price Index, the average price of 2 litres of milk in April 2008 was $3.22.

Man I want to shop where StatsNZ shop. My 2 litres of milk cost me a heap more than that – up over $4.

The only future I can see in…

Why would you do that? Why now, at a crucial point when climate change is going mainstream? Why over food prices, which is a media beat-up from start to finish? Why?

A number: 0.31% of the party votes cast in the 2005 general election. That's how close the Greens came…

I honestly believed the "milk is horrendously more expensive than it ever has been"

I was in the Post Office the other day and noticed KiwiBank offering mortgages for 8.9%. I thought, that's "not too bad".

Because when I first looked at buying property interest rates were nearly double that…

But they need to accept the simple fact that most of the people who support action on climate change are not out to destroy capitalism or globalisation.

Amen. I want to have the Greens in Parliament for their deep understanding of (and not-just-populist commitment to) the long-term impacts of a…

Why would you do that? Why now, at a crucial point when climate change is going mainstream? Why over food prices, which is a media beat-up from start to finish? Why?

Because they are undertaking a cynical exercise in political repositioning to take advantage of Labours "tax-cuts, get-your-tax-cuts" swing to…

The only place where leadership on climate change can come from is the Greens.

We are f*@#'d, if that is true. But with it going mainstream it can be taken out of hands of fringe politicians – there is still hope.

The Greens really want the dairy farmers to be spending some of their new found wealth cleaning up their environmental act – pushing them from both ends is…