Why, absolutely. We are learning.
;-)
Seriously though, teaching is an Art.
Teacher: One who has the ability to evoke curiosity in others.

why people seem to think that absolutely anyone can teach

You don’t understand because you have not been listening to me, now write 200 lines. “I will listen to Mr. Barnes and learn”
;-)

Yes, precisely my point. For much of the important work that lecturers do they are chronically undertrained -…

Yes…

There are also two different types of teaching in universities, which is worth remembering…

The rest of what you say agrees with me. The left largely swallowed the right's selfish framing (and beyond just education), even when they were 'opposing' it. Bruce Jesson was a shining beacon of success against that in both actions and words.

Well maybe. But in terms of tertiary education, we let the new right choose the battle ground – public vs private benefit. Once you engage in this as a basis for how much you should…

Exactly – developing smart, productive, NZ-owned and export-earning businesses is the long-term answer all round. Income for older New Zealanders; reasons to stay connected here for younger ones. All requires investment and some centralised long-term coordination. Who's…

nah – these days it's all screw caps, no one knows if they'll last that long

Cheers. Start building a retirement wine cellar now.

There is a general demographic trend which amounts to the same thing – we are getting an older population which lives longer. Any extended funding towards Education must be…

First Cro-Magnon to second Cro-Magnon: It's not that my tribe live in the valley with a steadier water supply and easy access to the migration paths, it's that I'm just faster and better at hunting.…

The worst part is that there's of course some truth to it. Some people are more naturally talented and possibly more naturally hard working. But it's by no means the whole story to their success,…

In other words, nouveau riche ladder-kickers. They’re among the most…

That's how you get the old ones. The young ones,…

I'm not sure if you mistake me. I mean my parents went through University with kids. I didn't, no way. I paid fees, got a loan and no allowance. My…

And that’s how you get ACT voters, basically; people who are so unable to see how the playing field was slanted their way…

Funny. That's what my parents and many of their generation did. And they considered themselves poor. On some measures they were right.

Similar to my millionaire ex-partner (who loves Key). He was also raised by a solo mum. He talks up the hardship of impoverished life…

Good question. I would peg wealthy as people who can afford to support or mostly support children through a bachelor's degree. (Which is actually a pretty high margin). Then…

We'd probably need to be specific about what is meant by wealthy…

that he gets away with it speaks volumes about the quality of alternative discourses on offer

I've been fascinated watching people use particular architects and furniture designers as social signifiers, for example.

Yeah, I have…

I've some exposure to retail, and generally most people seem to learn on the job and…

Social capital is tremendously important, particularly when it comes to education, work and success (however that's defined).

One example – John Key's mother came from a family of wealthy traders in Europe. So despite being on the bones of her arse for many years…

Well it would be if the loan went to the student but it doesn’t. The bulk of the loan goes straight to the institution, to pay fees, who…

What I'm essentially trying to get to the bottom of here, is a What-If on the economics of a person faced with the choice between further study, or seeking work. It's a difficult question because comparing what does actually happen between people who do…

always reminds me of Old MacDonald's Farm

That only applies to some jobs though. AFAIK, you can't do a formal apprenticeship in retail, banking, sales, customer relations or many other areas. (and you certainly can't do one in IT).

That's in the spreadsheet I linked too as well (although not by age). :-) In 2008 the school only/ sub-degree/ degree+ hourly rates were $16.00/ $19.95/ $25.46. Also, that 15-year-old would actually be in the 'no qualifications' group, where the median income…

Well we do have some raw data about earnings by qualification level (though the EOTE work is better quality, because it both tracks a…

+1

Not a lot. Probably less than a couple of thousand hours, all up. I'd go along with describing it as "just…

I don't know how much time you've spent in minimum-wage workplaces but "secure"…

Not sure about that. It helps you perhaps find out what those needs are in a more systematic way if you care to, but I don't think it engenders empathy – that's…

By not engaging *well enough* against neoliberalism, more broadly, the left let down its constituents.

The core problem is well before that, and something that we didn't push enough in the 90s when a solid push back might have made…

if you just want to be a programmer, your best bet is a polytech industry-based course

Except that won't give you the status to be seen as one of the cool kids and work on interesting stuff. You'll…

I don't know. They exist, for sure, although "stuck" is a loaded term to describe people who don't even try to get better work, not even within their workplace. "Secure" might be…

bloody travellers

It's both. Their first role is to teach students. One of the things they teach is how to do research really well. You can't do that without actually doing really good research…

Yes, and polytechnics dropped their standards to keep their position of soaking up non academic kids. My mother, who has taught at Manukau Polytech for over 20 years, talks of continual pressure to pass substandard students,…

What's wrong with using the ability to do the course? That seems to be the fairest system – you need to know and have done X,Y and Z in order to enter a course with an expectation of completing it -…

And when I think of mature students, I think of them as at least over 25 and usually over 55. The ones who talk in tutorials when no-one else does. Remember them?…

I hate to be That Guy, but this isn't quite true according to the work that statsNZ and the Ministry of Education have done on the outcomes of tertiary education…

May not be their purpose. But the taxpayers purpose is to get completion because that is an indication of competence to fulfill a specialised role in society.

However, the key thing for me is not that their completion…

10 is a Nobel Prize?

11 would be discovering the Higgs Boson, or something impossible like general AI.

Not with regard to university education – there it used to be progressive tax coupled with pretty restricted provision. :-)

Much of the student debt can be attributed to the sky-high bar…

Friends don't let friends post-graduate.

FM

But I still think the real problem is the…

I reckon you could sell a 1% tax rise way easier than student loans (if it were a replacement for them.) In effect, it wouldf *be*…

I have no problem with paying more tax. I believe we all should and those earning more should pay proportionately more so kicking it in above $48k would be fine by me.

BUT it would feel a lot like penalising graduates for learning skills we…

I had actually understood that people who entered under adult entry (by virtue of being over 20) had much higher non-completion rates than people who got in with UE at 18. (Would love to see some stats either way,…

I'm assuming that would be an issue related to Scholarships, and I'm not sure what the qualification status is of…

Yup. that is a pretty standard argument about selecting only the brightest to go to Uni. Oddly we don't demand that average blokes should get to play for the ABs or argue that folks…

Then how come I have a rather official-looking certificate saying I passed NCEA Level 4? Or have they switched up how the Scholarship-level subjects work since I was a guinea-pig?

I don’t know that that’s actually true…

Yes, I couldn't help myself so I have 2 comments awaiting... what I don't know, but I mean REALLY! What is it with this guy. How biased is he? and this line
Labour, however, is counting on most voters only picking up on headlines saying what…

They didn't so much 'forget' as get away with changing.

and family wealth, let's not forget.

I think this is the one that people choke on, because it's meritocratic rather than egalitarian. It is inherently unpalatable to suggest that there are a lot of people…

exactly the intent, like so much of the neoliberal kool-aid this country has swallowed since the 1980s

I have a couple of major problems with student loans, but they stem first and foremost from the problem of universities using fees to limit the number of students.

In the good old…

Love that photo, with the linked article, of Key
wrestling with Rodney Hide!

Unless they're living overseas, in which case you're essentially bribing them to come back (stay overseas long enough and your student loan vanishes!). I'm gonna guess that's not an insignificant…

If its been more than a decade, I think we've already established that they will not and can not pay. So…

Pah! 30 Rock was way betterer than Outrageous Fortune, no contest.
(unless you disagree that is ;-)

Yep, our equivalent of Alec Baldwin, for better or worse.

Robyn Malcolm said in her 'vitriolic' attack:

"We have a leader who seems to be more interested in talking about his cats on the radio, being seen at the rugby and getting on the cover of the Woman's Weekly. I thought…

i think Key is aiming for the Berlusconi of the South Pacific thing...
http://thestandard.org.nz/70271/#comment-396527

i don't want to derail the discussion on what is a great post, if you are similarly concerned m, feel free to continue conversation on my post

i hope you are ok too. it was a hell of a thing. i think about you and d some times and i don't even know you. we were upset for you.

i agree there has been an enormous amount of headline manipulation lately to…

Corrected that for ya.

Ah, but the correct quote is: “where does he get all those wonderful toys”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA5II5AlO7w

ETA: and that would put Goff in the role of the Joker. And he's neither that cool, nor that psychopathic.

Hey, how about you right whingers give the 99% a break? (which, ironicaly , includes most of the right wingers too)
Anyhoo, I found the statement "If student loans were a business they would be running at a loss" to mean "we will…

At the expense of drowning everyone but the third group in more unrepayable debt.

The core problem here is that the "private benefit" of tertiary…

Another line of bullshit not being countered in any discernable form by the opposition. Overpaid amateurs.

In before the phrase, "An entrenched culture…

Depending…

Didn't have a lightness to it that one might connect with a joke. But I could be wrong, he might be a charming chap who even gives girls the opportunity to do his filing for him in their heels…

What – the bit about his unmatched travails going through law school, or laughing at people with student loans? The humour is difficult to discern either way.

No response from 3 yet? How long have they had?

Wouldn't think you need to take much time to be upfront and honest. Manufacturing a dishonest response though…

Significant implications because it's inconsistent with Labour policy and suggests they won't be able to come to an agreement/will only be able to come to an agreement which effects significant…

At least they have jobs in the Great Recession. My heart bleeds for those who’ve gone into debt to upskill,…

I totally assumed that it was a joke. Did you not?

profitable government
military intelligence
...

I listened/saw two ancient examples of interviewing…

mind you, you won’t get far with ideas like that in the msm, what with all the bare-faced logic and informed reasoning.

We are a so called "right wing" household – 1 ex Labour (long term member, electorate committee and all) waiting until they get their act together. One tribal Nat (except for the year he voted for "the other side" which amusingly was the…

Or taxable income that's below the repayment threshold. Or non-taxable income (e.g. via capital gains). And charging interest could encourage that lot to pay up.