Public Address | Cafe | Notes & Queries: In The Face of Global Terror: 9/11 Cakes, Costumes and Lego https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Schrapnel Cotton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286303#post286303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286303#post286303 http://crashcromwell.hubpages.com/hub/Remember-The-Holocaust#slide1321193 ]]> Sat, 18 May 2013 09:43:14 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286212#post286212 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286212#post286212 Towering Inference...
Here's one from the Chchch catchment, it mostly survived the quake, but lost the chocolate fish embedded in its side – it was originally in a group show at the Silvan Gallery Cafe (now defunct), artist unknown at this point.

]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 10:09:45 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286162#post286162 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286162#post286162 Thu, 16 May 2013 09:53:18 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286155#post286155 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286155#post286155 The White House did get trashed in the movies pre-9/11 – but by aliens rather than terrorists.

True – and one piece of really loaded (but successful) 9/11 related imagery was the final shot of season one of Fringe, where Olivia "crosses over" to an alternate Earth for the first…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 23:09:28 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286145#post286145 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286145#post286145 May be worth noting that New York gets destroyed all the time in Hollywood movies. ("California's revenge"!) If there's an imagined disaster, it's almost certain to be imagined there. It's almost a genre of its own.

So for those of us not in or near NY at the time of…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 18:31:46 +1200 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286138#post286138 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286138#post286138 Ok. Hands up who hasn’t dressed up for a bad taste party. *

These are all bad taste. Given the history of student pranks, old time capping parades, it IS something that seems to “inspire” those who haven’t (yet) been (usually personally) shocked in their lives to humour themselves in…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 17:59:34 +1200 "chris" https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286137#post286137 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286137#post286137 Wed, 15 May 2013 17:35:26 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286136#post286136 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286136#post286136 Except for Kai/Ngai Tahu
nobody in the north remembers the massacres
of Southern people by Northern people.

Yes, we did what used to be the healing thing – intermarrying.
We did it as Kati Mamoe. We did it with the group of Mamoe called Waitaha (until
the name was taken…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 17:32:22 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286131#post286131 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286131#post286131 Yes, It’s Too Soon: 8 Halloween Costumes to Avoid This Year ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:22 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286128#post286128 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286128#post286128 Wed, 15 May 2013 16:33:30 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286127#post286127 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286127#post286127

I did a project on 18th century piracy in primary school, and I’ve never understood why people want to dress kids up as rapists and murderers.

*cough*

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 16:14:27 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286126#post286126 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286126#post286126 And I don’t think I’m the only person whose eyebrows went up in a Spock-ian manner at the sight of not one but two movies released in recent months where terrorists lay waste to the White House and environs. Ten years ago, that would have been considered unthinkably tasteless.

The…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 16:07:17 +1200 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286120#post286120 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286120#post286120 Wed, 15 May 2013 15:30:56 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286117#post286117 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286117#post286117 Didn’t anyone stop and ask themselves “Kids dressing up as a fictional child-molesting serial killer. Just a teeny-tad on the tasteless side, perchance”?

*cough*

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 14:12:57 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286115#post286115 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286115#post286115 Personally I find the WTC Halloween-costumes shocking, but isn’t that the whole point of Halloween?

Sure – but I'd still like to know what genius at New Line signed off on the license for Kids-sized Freddy Kruger costumes. Didn't anyone stop and ask themselves "Kids dressing up as a fictional…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 14:03:14 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286114#post286114 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286114#post286114 Personally I find the WTC Halloween-costumes shocking, but isn't that the whole point of Halloween? Contemporary fears are less to do with witches and ghouls, and more to do with guns and bombs.

I think there'll always be humour and excitement derived from taboo-breaking. Yes, it's grotesque and distasteful, but…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 13:03:09 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286109#post286109 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286109#post286109 Can you, or should you, try and maintain the ongoing sense of horror?

Good question. I think we’ve reached the spoiler statute of limitations on Star Trek Into Darkness but erring on the side of caution… I suspect the opening sequence that climaxes with a suicide bombing in the middle…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 12:08:58 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286107#post286107 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286107#post286107 I wonder at the casual dehumanisation on display here. Only number 9 seems to engage with the event with any genuine humanity; the fact that the project traumatised its creator to the point where he was physically unable to work on it for a long while is pretty eloquent. And… ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 12:00:17 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286098#post286098 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286098#post286098 Partly, I think it speaks to the nature of 9/11 as a media event.

On the day I wanted to punch some excited teenagers on the bus who were excitedly chattering to each other about how it was just like a movie. Yet it was, for almost everyone except those…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 11:25:30 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286097#post286097 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286097#post286097 There is an idea lurking in the back of my brain that won't form properly ...

Is an event like 9/11 more thanjust the event itself? Does it eventually become embedded in all the representations of the event as well? So instead of being just one point in time it…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 11:22:01 +1200 B Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286094#post286094 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286094#post286094 "O, the lack of humanity."

Which itself is a reference to a tragedy that's been used repeatedly to comic effect:
Oh the huge manatee

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 11:05:08 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286093#post286093 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286093#post286093 Welcome, David. I'm very happy that you've joined the Public Address whanau.

This post makes me wonder. A kid born in, say, 1997 would likely have no memory or 9/11 but would today be a 16-year-old. What would their relation be to 9/11? I'm guessing it would be similar to…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 11:04:08 +1200 Christopher Dempsey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286088#post286088 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286088#post286088 Wed, 15 May 2013 10:25:00 +1200 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286087#post286087 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286087#post286087 Welcome David. Great to have you here.

Don't make me mention the war... !

The Anatomy of Unease. It all still seems Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. A child's perspective is hard to find, but seems a better window into the human response to tragedy than other forms, including these.…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 10:18:41 +1200 Myles Thomas https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286085#post286085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286085#post286085 Wed, 15 May 2013 10:07:29 +1200 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286083#post286083 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286083#post286083 Wed, 15 May 2013 09:59:48 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286082#post286082 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286082#post286082 the casual dehumanisation on display

But isn't that itself a human response?

And I don't see it a dehumanising. Those depictions (except for the shirt) are people expressing a connection with the event. There are many many careful sensitive empathetic rememberances of 9/11, shouldn't there also be some crass tasteless…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 09:55:35 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286081#post286081 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286081#post286081 Wed, 15 May 2013 09:45:50 +1200 Peter Darlington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286079#post286079 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286079#post286079 Wed, 15 May 2013 09:37:00 +1200 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286077#post286077 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286077#post286077 Mixed emotions, mostly negative ones: "O, the lack of humanity."

Which is the opposite of my initial response to the event itself: a cry of anguish, "The people!" That cry has never really stopped or changed (I have mostly managed to wall off the part of my brain that wants…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 09:30:32 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286076#post286076 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286076#post286076 never eat cake, or Lego bricks, again
Ah – hence the phrase “shit a brick"…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 09:28:27 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286075#post286075 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286075#post286075 Can you, or should you, try and maintain the ongoing sense of horror? For some people that ongoing sense of horror will never fade. For some people there is political capital to be made by maintaining that sense of horror. But for most people it is now history.

I just…

]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 09:26:30 +1200 Thomas Goodfellow https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286073#post286073 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286073#post286073 the terrorists win! ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 09:22:12 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286070#post286070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286070#post286070 Wed, 15 May 2013 08:48:47 +1200 Paul Brislen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286069#post286069 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286069#post286069 Wed, 15 May 2013 08:27:23 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286068#post286068 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/notes-queries-in-the-face-of-global-terror/?p=286068#post286068 Discussion from blog post.

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