Public Address | Cafe | Muse: What The Frig, Police?

Sacha

Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:22:49 +1200

that One Direction attracts unruly crowds

Kumara Republic

Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:57:38 +1200

Furthermore, did the police not bat an eyelid when even more controversial musicians like Marilyn Manson were in town?

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:29:32 +1200

We are – or should be – long past the time when police and petty officials get to tell us what culture we’re allowed. Or are we resigned to a future where facilities constructed and run with OUR money can only be used subject to a musical sniff test from…

Russell Brown

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:12:54 +1200

15 minutes of video from Saturday night. Lotta people having a GOOD time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CVMSc8XZho

peter mclennan

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:48:44 +1200

so, The Cloud was built with nearly $10m of public money, will be there for at least ten years (according to Michael Barnett), and is only good for conferences and private events? Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

peter mclennan

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:46:51 +1200

The Scorpio/247 hiphop venues referred to were in that same building – 420 and The Rising Sun. Both haven't been in use as hiphop venues for a long time, at least a year or two.

Sacha

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:28:44 +1200

fortunately it seemed to calm down without any serious problems

elderly fatigue can come in handy

spaceburglar

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:20:02 +1200

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10785180
Organisers were forced to close the bar early at an 80s-themed concert at one of Auckland's top wineries because revellers reliving their youth were "staggering around" drunk. One punter described it as chaos. "There wasn't real trouble ... [but] the place was filled with people in their 40s and 50s…

Russell Brown

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:07:48 +1200

But quite seriously, if I was a promoter thinking about bringing a hip-hop act to New Zealand I’d be running a serious cost-benefit analysis on any future dealings with Inspector Davison. Which, I guess, suits him fine. I’m not so sure.

Fortunately, it's only going to be an issue where…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:59:41 +1200

Please don’t say that, Craig.

On reflection, I really shouldn't have. I've had off the record communications from folks who've said they had perfectly amiable relations with both the Police and Councils (and constructive engagement when problems do arise) — so my snark isn't really just to folks who don't…

Russell Brown

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:38:52 +1200

“Everything except the Feelers”

Who, of course, headlined the only other entertainment event to be held at The Cloud since the RWC – the New Zealand Beer Festival.

As this blog notes, the 2011 NZBF in Auckland “was chockful of bogans setting out to get munted.” This didn’t appear to…

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:23:45 +1200

Like the UK's statutory ban on 'repetitive beats'?

Dave Patrick

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:20:09 +1200

Surely it would save everyone a lot of time and effort if Inspector Davison would just publish a complete list of the unacceptable music types now.
"Everything except the Feelers"

3410

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:15:15 +1200

Or are we resigned to a future where facilities constructed and run with OUR money can only be used subject to a musical sniff test from a policeman?

Surely it would save everyone a lot of time and effort if Inspector Davison would just publish a complete list of the…

Russell Brown

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:06:44 +1200

I now have some more of the bizarre correspondence between Inspector Davison and the promoters.

An email in which the promoter addresses the lateness question:

Now when he said the lateness of application…I was shocked as we submitted a while ago, then sat with council saying yes approved at compliance…

Sacha

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:35:39 +1200

Officer,officer
Overseer,overseer..

Heard that again recently. Still brilliant..

Sacha

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:23:14 +1200

I love the way that the whole Queen St/Vulcan lane area is so alive these days with good food and bars. I remember the empty concrete canyons that downtown used to be.

I've spent part of the weekend hosting Australian visitors who noticed that too – and remarked on the…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:12:55 +1200

It’s actually turning out to be a hard venue for anyone to use for a gig.

Almost as hard as getting a job on Operation Cycle -path, or actually working on a wharf, or a Meat Works for that matter, or [[http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news/strikers-resolute-care-worker/1311708/…

3410

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:09:23 +1200

Wow, I didn't realise we were still living in the 1980's/90's

Well, now you know. :)

BlairMacca

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:53:44 +1200

"type of event – rap draws on a certain group within society which cause problems for the community as a whole"

Wow, I didn't realise we were still living in the 1980's/90's

joshua grigg

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:37 +1200

After managing and working in bars in the CBD for the last few years I would say that many of the most troublesome and violent nights are those when "a certain group within society" goes out to watch rugby and avail themselves of the "many licensed outlets in CBD" afterwards,…

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:01:54 +1200

It’s actually turning out to be a hard venue for anyone to use for a gig

Explain to me again why the government is best suited to run bars and the private sector to run prisons and schools?

Russell Brown

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:09:08 +1200

Meanwhile, a nice little story on Stuff about yesterday's Auckland Museum lecture.

Russell Brown

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:25:20 +1200

You know, before they built the Cloud, maybe they should have said, “Oh, by the way, hip hop fans won’t have to chip in for the cost of this place, since you guys won’t be allowed to use it”.

It’s actually turning out to be a hard venue for anyone…

Pete

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:19:27 +1200

"Le sigh... In future, I'm going to be increasingly inclined to be unsympathetic when people bitch about acts giving Auckland a swerve."

Please don't say that, Craig. This Wellingtonian goes up to AK often for gigs – you guys still get the most shows and I really like Auckland.
If…

3410

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:52:01 +1200

You know, before they built the Cloud, maybe they should have said, "Oh, by the way, hip hop fans won't have to chip in for the cost of this place, since you guys won't be allowed to use it".

Biobbs

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:18:24 +1200

Perhaps the Police also need reminding that KRS-One is the man who founded the "Stop the Violence Movement" in rap. So when Insp Davison says:

type of event – rap draws on a certain group within society which cause problems for the community as a whole

I'd say he at…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:50:41 +1200

Sounds like a bit of a communications stuff up all round.

Well, it should be rather easy to prove one way or t' other, though a dated application and the workings of Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act. The Council's own website isn't entirely clear on the subject of…

Matthew Littlewood

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:38:26 +1200

If it's not merely a bureaucratic bungle, then what's the real reason for obstructing KRS-One?

Perhaps certain members of the licencing authority's antipathy towards hip hop (and the supposed "crowds" it draws) made the bureaucratic bungle easier to pounce upon. But it looks like a mess for all parties, unfortunately…

Kumara Republic

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:34:29 +1200

If it's not merely a bureaucratic bungle, then what's the real reason for obstructing KRS-One? Thoughtcrimes much, if the Tiki Taane incident is anything to go by? All the more so if those responsible are the type who whinge about PC gone mad.

Matthew Littlewood

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:13:11 +1200

So, it appears that the application may have been late – although this is in dispute.

Inspector Davison’s comments indicate that such lateness wouldn’t have been a showstopper for other events. But he clearly does not like “rap”.

Sounds like a bit of a communications stuff up all round. Must…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:47:55 +1200

alcohol is a crime driver there are many licensed outlets in the CBD to which patrons could avail themselves before and after this event

Who’s planning to tell Inspector Davison that the CBD is full of licensed premises and he’s come up with a rationale for denying a special license…

Hebe

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:44:32 +1200

Special Operations Planning Group (SOG)Wet blanket?

Russell Brown

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:34:07 +1200

Okay, just reading Russell Brown’s post convinced me that maybe my antipathy was somewhat displaced. I did go see the Dammers-less Specials reunion, after all. Sounds like a cracking night.

It was a great night, the crowding problems notwithstanding.

With KRS it's not really about the records anyway, apart from…

Russell Brown

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:29:49 +1200

Over the last 2-3 years, however, the “24/7 Scorpio” cluster on K Rd (just next to the bus bridge or whatever its called) – which is almost entirely hiphop/rap clubs – has exhibited an abnormally high degree of disorder and public place violence. So when Davison says “rap venues attract…

Russell Brown

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:23:13 +1200

I’ve obtained a copy of the email (not from the promoter). It’s pasted in here in full, apart from addresses and phone numbers, etc. It’s addressed to Connie Clarkson of the Conference Company and Cathy Chambers of the Queen’s Wharf company.

Hi Connie and Cathy – to advise that NO…

Matthew Littlewood

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:35:01 +1200

Didn't we hit the point where hiphop was a valid mainstream option for New Zealand with Stop, Drop and Roll? With Scorpio Girls? How Bizarre?

Hiphop people are people who like music. Surprise!

For most people under the age of 30, rap music (and its derivatives) has been the dominant…

Sean Murgatroyd

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:18:12 +1200

Didn't we hit the point where hiphop was a valid mainstream option for New Zealand with Stop, Drop and Roll? With Scorpio Girls? How Bizarre?

Hiphop people are people who like music. Surprise!

Matthew Littlewood

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:13:58 +1200

It was a varied, but younger and much more hip hop crowd than Public Enemy pulled at the Town Hall last year.

The excellent atmosphere was tested by the venue. The legal capacity of the Studio probably wasn’t breached, but you can only see the stage properly from about 30%…

Matthew Littlewood

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:11:00 +1200

KRS-One hasn't produced a genuinely great record since his solo debut back in 1994 (although the Boogie Down Productions LPs already secured his place in the rap firmament.), and it's also fair to say that in recent times, he's probably swerved closer towards rabid NWO-conspiracy theorist than "righteous truth teller",…

3410

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:09:11 +1200

So, uh... Was the license application late or not?

Russell Brown

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:03:12 +1200

I’ll hand that question off to Mister Brown, who I believe was reliving his dissolute youth last night. Backward baseball caps on middle-aged men are a crime against fashion, but I’m not sure whether it constitutes grounds for a community moral panic.

It was a varied, but younger and much…

Ocho Cinco

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:31:46 +1200

Perhaps oddly, there is a grain of truth here – but putting it at Studio seems to be a very, very unwise way of dealing with the truth (read on).

As you may know, disorder can be incredibly variable – one street safe, one street unsafe. Over the last 2-3…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:54:17 +1200

KRS One performs in council-owned venue in Auckland (The Cloud), liquor licence issues and objections from the Police.

Le sigh... In future, I'm going to be increasingly inclined to be unsympathetic when people bitch about acts giving Auckland a swerve. I'd also respectfully suggest that if Auckland Council is going…

Sacha

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:53:25 +1200

The headline also led me to believe this article might be some intriguing mashup of the Almighty Johnsons and Sting. #gypped

Sacha

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:50:12 +1200

merchant bankers #rhyminslang

peter mclennan

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:42:38 +1200

heres the quote referred to.... "Rap draws on a certain group within society which cause problems for the community as a whole"- Inspector Derek Davison, from an email to the venue and promoters. So, KRS One performs in council-owned venue in Wellington, no liquor licence issues, no Police issues. KRS…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:14:09 +1200

They’re absolutely talking about white urban liberals, aren’t they?

Scott A

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:07:19 +1200

“certain group within society which causes problems for the community”?

They're absolutely talking about white urban liberals, aren't they?

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:55:37 +1200

I would like to apologise to anyone who's been trying to get to this only to be obstructed by fumble-fingered technical incompetence.

For my next trick: I plan to break Europe's internet through incompetent misuse of over-priced hotel wi-fi.

Public Address

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:55:37 +1200

Discussion from blog post.