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		<title>Public Address | Cafe | Muse: The Very Odd Future According to Sandra Coney</title>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Hi, folks.  First, once again many thanks to the awesome PAS Massive for keeping the signal-to-noise ratio pleasingly high.  Just warning that I’ll be (temporarily) closing off comments on this thread from lunchtime tomorrow (Friday) until I can be arsed on Sunday morning. -Ish.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:18:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						I know what you're saying, PJ, but segments of the NZ LGBT community appear to have brought into the mythology of the 'dangerous underclass' disseminated by National and ACT. I think that's an incredibly distorted perception and in my view, the main source of homophobia and transphobia in Aotearoa/NZ isn't…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:29:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>PJ</title>
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						<p>I listen to OFWGKTA and I don't believe for a second that there is any malicious intent in their lyrics nor any ulterior or underlying themes trying to encourage people to hate on gays.   </p><p>Obviously musical taste is subjective but for me this group of young kids, who have done…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:43:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scarlet Sorceress</title>
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						<p>Totally agree on that one!<br />I don't think they are mutually exclusive though.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:25:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						And to be honest, Scarlet Sorceress, some of us would much rather that the Auckland City Council repealed its implicitly transphobic ban on Manukau street soliciting and letting rental accomodation to those who might otherwise be forced into street sex work,
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:12:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scarlet Sorceress</title>
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						Thank you :-)
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:59:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Can you please not use slurs to refer to transgender people?</q></p><p>I most certainly do not – but, in full context, I hope it was clear that I was being extremely sarcastic about the idea that the Hero Parade and associate events (in which which trans-gendered and transvestite people were…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:14:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						'Scuse my (genuine) ignorance, but is `trannie' a slur?  I don't think I've ever used the word, but at the same time I think I've also assumed it was a neutral, even affectionate, abbreviation of transvestite.  If this is not the case, I'd like to know, just so's I know,…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 03:08:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scarlet Sorceress</title>
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						<p>"We know that dyke boobage on bikes, trannies and and Hi-NRG dance music won’t magically turn you..."</p><p>Can you please not use slurs to refer to transgender people?<br />Thanks.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:58:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						We can, it's just more complicated.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:13:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Just thank God gays cant breed, eh?<br />Does that beat a veiled Godwin?<br />/* gets coat,runs for cover, joins weird sect, buys new sneakers and waits for starship/*</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:58:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Cue the Frankfurt School, Mackinnon and Dworkin and the current anti-hiphop moral panic amongst some of us at the moment:</q></p><p>It reminds me of when eugenics was effectively pioneered by well-meaning liberal movements like Planned Parenthood, only to perfected in a very twisted way by decidedly illiberal movements such as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:59:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>But I think their current woes are sure to have made their decision easier.</q></p><p>Possibly &ndash; Metallica certainly moved tickets in 2004, but it must also have been a hellishly expensive crap shoot to take. In 2011, you don't have to look far or hard to see arts orgs laying…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:21:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						In light of Auckland dropping Kanye in order to 'save' the BDO, my speculation about OFWGKTA is somewhat different. Losing another international headliner happens to lower their costs. I'm not saying this is why they did it, or that it is a pretext. But I think their current woes are…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:13:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						Er, no, it probably came from the fragmentation of Italian civil society after unification in the 1860s until the ascent of Mussolini, and the turmoil of German civil society during the days of the Weimar Republic. Ernest Thalmann and the KPD have to take some share of the blame for…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:56:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						people seem to forget that fascism came from the left
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:48:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						...and followed it up with a brief cultural history of why the left seems to get into these dead-end spasms of cultural and social authoritarianism against popular culture from time to time. Cue the Frankfurt School, Mackinnon and Dworkin and the current anti-hiphop moral panic amongst some of us at…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:42:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						I've put a link to your piece (and others) in the post.  Good work, Craig.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:56:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						Problem is, Russell,  most of those street sex workers are young whakawahine and fa'afafine, so I really don't like that sort of blanket ban and I'm concerned Coney hasn't thought of that angle while declaring indiscriminate opposition. It exacerbates the effects of institutional racism and gender identity discrimination in those…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:40:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Well, finally managed to get LGOIMA requests lodged.  After twenty minutes of unsatisfactory phone-pong, I gave up.  Managed to find <a href="http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/ContactUs/official_information_requests/Pages/home.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> which, if I was a <em>wee</em> bit more cynical, would make one suspect it was meant to be hard to find.</p><p>Now, the fun really begins...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:12:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>One wonders what Coney thinks about that…</q></p><p>Given that she was strongly opposed to prostitution reform, she quite likely approves.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:58:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						...or what she thinks about rezoning land.
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				<title>DCBCauchi</title>
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						Oh very good call.
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						This is somewhat ironic, especially considering that sex workers rights groups have major headaches with the (former) Manukau City Council's antisoliciting ordinance and refusal to let council-owned rental accomodation to street sex workers-most of whom are transgender and under ambiguous protection from the Human Rights Act at best. One wonders…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:36:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						It is abuse of privilege that casts a pall over all the things that others may have done to make this sort of interference unacceptable, especially from officials.
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				<title>DCBCauchi</title>
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						<p>Has Stuff just put up a press release without editing it?</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/5933894/Kanye-axed-from-BDO" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/5933894/Kanye-axed-from-BDO</a></p><p>‘It was confirmed last week that controversial hip hop group Odd Future had been pulled from the festival after complaints were received about their homophobic lyrics.</p><p>’Can you add that refunds on tickets only avaliabel until Novermber 30.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:38:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						<q>I heard a snippet of one of the BDO organisers on bFM this morning. She seemed to indicate that they, as promoters and a business have a thing for not booking acts that are down the homophobic, sexist, or racist road. They want to be inclusive and comfortable. At the…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:23:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						I heard a snippet of one of the BDO organisers on bFM this morning. She seemed to indicate that they, as promoters and a business have a thing for not booking acts that are down the homophobic, sexist, or racist road. They want to be inclusive and comfortable. At the…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:35:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>I'm okay with the discussion thus far.</q></p><p>You're more of a Cliff fan than Craig is, then?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:07:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						I'm okay with the discussion thus far.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I think I’ve been careful not to accuse Coney (or John Brockies) of breaking the law</q></p><p>You can no doubt see how words like "unlawful" and "legal" entering the conversation might appear to be heading in that direction.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>@Sacha:  I think I’ve been careful not to accuse Coney (or John Brockies) of breaking the law.  But the direct quotes from Coney above – the veracity of which have not been questioned – raise serious question marks over her judgement at least.</p><p>The open invite to Coney and Brockies…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:03:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p>We have evidence that Coney --- in her role as a Councillor and chair of the Council's Parks, Recreation and Heritage Forum:</p><p><q>approached the CEO of Regional Facilities Auckland John Brockies with Calum's concerns and my own having watched Youtube,” she says.</p><p>“After a discussion with BDO organisers this group…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:59:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>assuming that Coney's actions are unlawful</q></p><p>Am I right in thinking we don't have any evidence yet of Councillor Coney actually *doing* anything. Only a claim of influence over a commercial organisation's decision to not contract another party as a performer.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:42:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>A legal solution would require someone with standing to take a case. Which can only be the BDO. Who have already clearly decided that its not worth their while to fight it.</q></p><p>Why would it have to be Big Day Out? After all, it isn't just Big Day Out who've…</p>
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						The Human Rights Commission?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:52:17 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>(I am kind of curious as to the legal position. It would seem to me that Beggs is pretty on point here. ( Baigent too I guess.) And that would appear to suggest that there should be legal recourse available.)</q></p><p>A legal solution would require someone with standing to take…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:50:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>Anyhoo, Other Craig, many thanks for inaugurating this debate. I've penned an article for Gaynz.Com on the subject which tries to clarify the issue by pinning down what hate speech and hate propaganda/media content are, explains media effects theory to laypeople, and is firmly anti-censorship.</p><p>And hey, given my strong…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:15:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						Question: if you are promoting Odd Futures tour how is the best way to approach GayNZ to induce some free publicity?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:14:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>...and/or meant to rark up middle-class middle-aged people</q></p><p>And to some extent, it worked in this case. I think it's getting harder and harder to provoke an outrage, so the lyrics get more and more OTT. Once it was enough to have long hair to be deemed a menace to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:47:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Speaking of inappropriate councillor behaviour...</q></p><p>MUSE cares about the environment, and has just released its <a href="http://publicaddress.net/muse/indecision-11-outrageous/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">#EvilRobyn Eradication Policy</a>.  The penalty for non-compliance will be Loretta West burning your house down.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:46:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Any more jazz hands from a velour-clad Sir Cliff and I will bring down the ban-hammer.  That's just <em>nasty</em>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:43:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>He's out too, because of 'Devil Woman'. :)</q></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaYDy5A5Mg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaYDy5A5Mg</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:23:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						I think we had this go-round a while back, and I really hope Cr. Coney doesn't start paying any attention to Opera NZ's steady diet of popular fare where the bitches bring the cray-cray, find a spot on the Madonna-Whore spectrum and (mostly) drop dead at the end.  Really, do…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:18:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Brewer should be investigated on the the strength of that bias.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:13:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<p>Speaking of inappropriate councillor behaviour...</p><p>Pull your damn head in, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10764503" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Cameron Brewer</a>!</p><p><q>Outrageous Fortune star Robyn Malcolm, who made an outspoken attack on John Key's record, is to front an Auckland Council campaign to encourage recycling...</p><p>Auckland councillor Cameron Brewer wants Malcolm axed, saying she is "too partisan" to front the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:31:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q>all we’d have available to listen to is Cliff Richard</q></p><p>He's out too, because of 'Devil Woman'. :)</p><p>I've argued about Tyler the Creator with a friend before. He was all 'this has no value!' and I wasn't happy with that assertion. I have a long history of loving songs…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:30:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Yup, another gold-digging uppity ho gets put in her place. Which might speak to the truth of where Public Enemy was at, but it sure ain’t no party song. </q></p><p>‘She watch channel zero’ has some…interesting….lyrics.</p><p><q>The woman makes the men all pause <br />And if you got a woman <br />She might…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:19:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Thanks, Russell.</p><p>Sick of It: First, welcome to PAS and hope you’ll hang around.  You’re really preaching to the choir on the point R. picked out, but as I said the simple reality is that Auckland City, one way or another, has its fingers in a hell of a lot…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>No one really seems to grasp the full issue here. This has nothing, and should have nothing to do with politicians and their worthless attempts to protect youth from their own fears. </q></p><p>I think plenty of people reading and commenting here grasp that issue. I realise you're pissed off, but…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I did try to have a listen to this Odd Future crowd to see what all the fuss was about, but for some mysterious reason, when I tried to bring up a video of one of their songs, the sound was turned off, and my touchpad is munted. I can't…
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				<title>Sick of It</title>
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						No one really seems to grasp the full issue here. This has nothing, and should have nothing to do with politicians and their worthless attempts to protect youth from their own fears. Constantly we are being told no because they feel they are doing us a huge favor in taking…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:08:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>Sadly, there seems to be very little we an do legally about such well-meaning dickery.</q></p><p>(I am kind of curious as to the legal position. It would seem to me that <em>Beggs</em> is pretty on point here. ( <em>Baigent</em> too I guess.) And that would appear to suggest that there…</p>
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				<title>DCBCauchi</title>
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						<p>The word iconoclast has completely changed its meaning. It originally referred to zealots who roamed the land destroying anything they didn't like.</p><p>Cos it is not enough to not go near it themselves. That's not zealotry. Zealots need to ensure that no-one can. Their way of winning arguments is underhanded.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:21:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> Sadly, there seems to be very little we an do legally about such well-meaning dickery.</q></p><p>Legally, no. But when I get the OIA requests out of the way, I'll be posting links to this to Len Brown and the members of the Parks, Recreation and Heritage Forum asking if 1)…</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						The problem with banning one bunch of musos for their refering to and / or advocating of something bad / stupid / illegal / evil is that if we were to ban every act that somehow refered  / advocated such things, there'd almost be no music scene at all and…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:04:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>But on the other hand, the owner in this case is the government and the government deciding which shows are ok in which venues makes me uncomfortable.</q></p><p>Ditto.  And that's why we have the BORA.  Which clearly applies to the Auckland Council in this instance.  But somehow, I suspect they…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>I’m sure it does. According to your quote, it also shares some of the same lyrics.</q><br />I ’spect it started out as the same song :) Seem to remember scorched earth playing it, way back when. After a couple of decades of sonic abuse at that level, its own mum*…</p>
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				<title>annagc</title>
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						I was going to call on you on this wording Craig: 'In addition, RFA advises Auckland Council on the levy setting and governance for...' but realise it comes from the Council website itself (odd as it implies they advise the amenities on governance). Small deviation but to put your mind…
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						Also, I wonder if this type of controversy (although more likely Beenie Man related) is the reason that the Council was hesitant to allow Mt Smart as a venue this year?  Will be interesting to see if they host it again next year.
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						I’m in two minds about this.  One the one hand, a venue owner can refuse to host a show for whatever reason it likes.  If the Powerstation (for instance) didn’t want to host Odd Future and the Studio (is that place still going?) hosted it instead, no one would even…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:13:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>But they are different songs. The Terminals' is much better.</p><p>It has venom.</q><br />I'm sure it does. According to your quote, it also shares some of the same lyrics.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Tyler's response.</q></p><p>Someone might like to point out to him that it's <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/132685057486888960" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">not</a> the country that has 'banned' him.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Tyler's <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/133424663241043968" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">response</a>. I suspect he's upset, since he said he was looking forward to it. Tough.</p><p>Meanwhile, I'm late to this debate. I would post a video of his to make the point, but since I <em>really</em>  don't like the idea of triggering a rape victim, I certainly won't.</p>
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						<p>But they are different songs. The Terminals' is <em>much</em> better. </p><p>It has venom.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>. . . The Terminals have a song about a voodoo doll of an ex-girlfriend. ‘If I want to make you cry … I put a little drop of water in a little doll’s eye’ or something like that. Great song.</q><br />Wiser heads than mine will know the true origin…</p>
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						Art about politics is not politics but art.
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						<p><q>And, as other commentators have pointed out, possibly a distraction in this instance. The main point is the abuse of process (or not).</q></p><p>I totally agree. Love all the answers to Keir's question as to what can be done.</p>
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						<p><q>‘Sophisticated Bitch’.</p><p>Yup, another gold-digging uppity ho gets put in her place. Which might speak to the truth of where Public Enemy was at, but it sure ain’t no party song.</p><p>Would it kill any chance of a booking if I was a club owner? No, but I’d sure like…</q></p>
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						<p><q>I have sent an OIA request off to the Council asking for the reasons for the decision, and for the correspondence --- I am really curious to find out what they say.</q></p><p>Prediction: "That'll be $76 an hour".  To which you should respond by saying "Ombudsman! Ombudsman!  Ombudsman!"</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Damn you Ranapia, you’ve got me going now.</q></p><p>Since we're trading Public Enemy anecdotes, even a hippy-hoppity loathing beige guy like me can see why <em>Yo! Bum Rush The Show</em>, <em>It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back</em>, and <em>Fear of a Black Planet</em> are often cited as…</p>
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						<p><q>But not everything in a pop, rock or rap tune is to be taken literally.</q></p><p>Folk music, on the other hand..</p>
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						<p><q>I got 99 problems…..</q></p><p>And I'm checkin' my privilege</p>
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						<p>Damn you Ranapia, you’ve got me going now.</p><p>Righto … in May, 1988, I went to see Public Enemy play the Electric Ballroom in London, with my friends.</p><p>It’s a small basement club and they were only playing there because the Hammersmith Odeon had responded to a media panic by…</p>
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						Whenever I hear that old saw (preferably played with a violin bow) about how music is destroying our kidz I think about John Lennon's "Imagine" and how little that effected the world.
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						<p><q> Not every rapper has to be a sociologist.</q></p><p>I got 99 problems.....out of 100 correct on my final Sociology exam.</p><p>Can we get Tiki's name correct? I believe it's a double-a in Taane, but I may be mistaken.</p>
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						<p>Is there anything that can be <em>done</em> now about this? Because I think that it is actually very very problematic that Coney has taken these steps.</p><p>I have sent an OIA request off to the Council asking for the reasons for the decision, and for the correspondence --- I am…</p>
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						<p><q>Rich: Yeah, it was NWA, but Tiki Tane took it up, probably because it also reflects some Maori and Pacific Island experiences and perveptions of policing practice and policy in Aotearoa/New Zealand.</q></p><p>And probably because it qualifies as an old-skool party jam. He was MCing a club night. not necessarily…</p>
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						<p><q>However, there’s a particular subgenre of such music that does have objectionable lyrics that condone violence against women, homophobic violence and intra-community gang violence. While I don’t condone or endorse its censorship, I do have the right to disapprove of its content *without* urging its censorship.</q></p><p>Fair enough. I also…</p>
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						Rich: Yeah, it was NWA, but Tiki Tane took it up, probably because it also reflects some Maori and Pacific Island experiences and perveptions of policing practice and policy in Aotearoa/New Zealand. And he had the right to freedom of expression in that context, whatever the New Zealand Police might…
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						As for 'hate media', it is simply film, television, Internet or other cultural products that promote the dehumanisation and vilification of specified communities of interest. In pre-Vichy France, it was Jews. In white supremacist discourse, it's African-Americans, Maori and Pacific Islands or immigrant communities. In the work of some militant…
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q> including Tiki Tane’s attitude toward police officers</q></p><p>Well, strictly speaking, that was NWA...</p>
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						<p><q>How is ‘hate media’ defined? Have I got the wrong end of the stick again?</q></p><p>No, but it's a big issue to deal with (a bit like 'positive discrimination' &ndash; does it work/does the end justify the means, or not?).</p><p>And, as other commentators have pointed out, possibly a distraction…</p>
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						<p>Russell, not all hip hop is. Certainly no *Polynesian* hiphop I've come across is. </p><p>However, there's a particular subgenre of such music that does have objectionable lyrics that condone violence against women, homophobic violence and intra-community gang violence. While I don't condone or endorse its censorship, I do have the…</p>
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						<p>I don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth, but think it important not to be disingenuous.</p><p>I think the pro-censorship argument would be that ‘hate media’ (however it is defined), such as punks wearing Nazi symbols or hip hop songs about killing people, regardless of intention, gives succour and…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Cr Coney rightly garnered public respect in her role in exposing the Unfortunate Experiment scandal. Since then, however, she seems to have gone slightly Dworkinite.
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						<p><q>I’m not real comfortable with Odd Future being described as “hate media”. The music’s misanthropic and often offensive in its themes and language, but it’s not the same thing as Beenieman’s “coming to Jamaica to execute all the gays”.</q></p><p>Fucking hate media, how does it work?</p>
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						<p><q>Surely the hugely creepy thing is Coney’s ability to engage in censorship without any process being followed, any natural justice, any ability for people being affected by the decision to have input, etc. etc.</q></p><p>And there would have been input. There are smart, media aware young people in the local…</p>
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						<p><q> Does hate media result in hate crimes?</q></p><p>I'm not real comfortable with Odd Future being described as "hate media". The music's misanthropic and often offensive in its themes and language, but it's not the same thing as Beenieman's "coming to Jamaica to execute all the gays".</p>
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						<p>Those punk rock kids tended to grow up with their dads telling them the only good German is a dead German, which did not match the kids' experience of meeting Germans at all. Or so I have been told. </p><p>Even Kraftwerk dropped screaming electronic bombs on their fans. Before they…</p>
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						<p><q>But, hey, this isn’t a positive musical genre. Wow, people of colour killing each other and doing the work of white supremacists for them…</q></p><p>Is this your characterisation of <em>all hip hop?</em></p><p>I really hope not, because that would be a patronising, ignorant and racist thing to say.</p>
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						<p><q>Plus your parents will hate it!</q></p><p>Quite &ndash; I suspect there's a few punk scenesters out there who, back in the day, didn't have a neo-Nazi micron in the bodies but made some epically unfortunate accessorizing choices. Juvenile shock and awful tactics seldom end well, but I think you'd have…</p>
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						<p>The <em>morality</em> and <em>quality</em> of Odd Future's music is a bit beside the point (although I am pretty sure I could make a limited defense of both.)</p><p>Surely the hugely creepy thing is Coney's ability to engage in censorship without any process being followed, any natural justice, any ability for…</p>
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						The reason you don't understand us is because you don't like us...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKv5n9F6frg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKv5n9F6frg</a> NSFW, they swear and stuff.
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						Plus your parents will hate it!
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						<p><q>I wonder whether that is why so many people find this musical genre so positive and empowering.</q></p><p>Same reason the (mainly male) kidz have been listening to music since ages ago: because it angries up the blood and gets you all ready to rumble and/or fuck and shit. Plus providing…</p>
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						Namesake o' Mine: Did we agree on something? Stop it. Stop it <em>now</em>.
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						<p>We have hate media now?</p><p>I wonder whether that is why so many people find this musical genre so positive and empowering. Like punk before it and rock and roll before that. Back to the music the slaves would make round their fires of an evening. That came from somewhere…</p>
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						I think it all comes down to the media effects that one attributes to particular cultural products or practices. Does hate media result in hate crimes? As an anti-censorship activist of many years standing, I'd have to say not. Sure, I find the misogyny, homophobia and advocacy of interpersonal violence…
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						I'm pretty sure I read that two members of odd future are openly gay...  who are also dirty hip hop hipsters.. the whole point of their shit is to be "ironic" while riding their fixies and wearing their supreme hats.  Something that is clearly lost on the self appointed spokespeople…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I presume Craig has already read the minutes of the commitee linked to?</q></p><p>I have, but I really really want to have missed a lot of something &ndash; and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that I have.  If Coney went rogue, to coin a phrase, that's a whole…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>“I approached the CEO of Regional Facilities Auckland John Brockies with Calum's concerns and my own having watched Youtube,” she says.</p><p>“After a discussion with BDO organisers this group will no longer be appearing in BDO in NZ.”</q></p><p>If Cr. Coney wants to come here and assure me the quotes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:37:10 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I presume Craig has already read the minutes of the commitee linked to?</q></p><p>Yeah, well, I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:36:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I presume Craig has already read the minutes of the commitee linked to?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:31:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Wouldn’t you want to find out the answer to this before describing Coney as a “self-appointed censor”, because if there was no threat, then wouldn’t she have been just exercising her right to free speech?</q></p><p>The decision appears to have been made as a consequence of her statements __as a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:26:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DCBCauchi</title>
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						<p>I am willing to bet money that, as with the advocates of arts policies (and too many similar cases), discretion will prove the better part of valour.</p><p>As soon as I heard about this, I thought 'Ye gods, someone's as foolish as those fanatics who took Judas Priest to court…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:25:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>What was the nature of the "discussion with BDO organisers," and did it involve any threat, explicit or implied, to rip up the BDO's contract to hire Mount Smart Stadium?</q></p><p>Wouldn't you want to find out the answer to this <em>before</em> describing Coney as a "self-appointed censor", because if there…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Please enjoy the irony, but I know this is a topic that’s going to raise strong feelings on all sides.  Make this an example of Public Address System at its very best – which is pretty awesome – especially if Sandra Coney and John Brockies accept my invitation to drop…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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