Public Address | Cafe | Muse: The Good Word, Bad Numbers and The Fake-Fact That Won't Die https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251386#post251386 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251386#post251386 Mediawatch covered this today here. Would have appreciated a hat-tip, but my ego will survive. :)

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/remote-player?id=2512372

]]> Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:59:45 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251074#post251074 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251074#post251074 Perhaps you're making a presumption not in evidence there.
Fair enough, he was handed the wrong figures so now he can 'fess up and reinstate TVNZ 7 ;-)
...oh and stop a few badly figured roads in the process.

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:38:02 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251036#post251036 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251036#post251036 That’s cool, but you won’t mind if differ.
:)

Go to, but I'm with Russell here. Frankly, this was about as much as Shayne Currie was going to sign off on without very strongly worded legal advice. And if this dodgy figure is out of circulation at The Herald, I'd…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:12:03 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251016#post251016 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251016#post251016 Which, in the not too distant future, will be replaced by pictures of girls in Briefs with big Tits.

Yes, the Truth has never struggled to survive. From what I've seen, the sporting commentary in it is really quite good, too. Most of the rest of the writing is ridiculous,…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:16:33 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251013#post251013 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=251013#post251013 ‘In Brief’ column on page 3 of the Herald.

Which, in the not too distant future, will be replaced by pictures of girls in Briefs with big Tits.

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:08:08 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250998#post250998 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250998#post250998 He got away with it for several years over wasteful roading projects as well.
How, just how? Silly I know, but surely there are checks and measures against completely batshit crazy funding decisions by rogue govt's?
Oh wait...

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:28:53 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250995#post250995 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250995#post250995 Or you could take it as some evidence that they don't need to own a media outlet to achieve those ends.

I'm more inclined to think that it's just something that isn't part of the culture here. It wouldn't even occur to people as a cool thing to do. Rather…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:24:30 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250989#post250989 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250989#post250989 I'm treating it as a small win.

That's cool, but you won't mind if differ.
:)

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:11:18 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250987#post250987 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250987#post250987 how Joyce is not being questioned over his intentional misuse of figures

He got away with it for several years over wasteful roading projects as well.

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:04:36 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250986#post250986 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250986#post250986 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:03:43 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250985#post250985 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250985#post250985 They could influence elections, swing all kinds of favours, take vengeance on their enemies – all the crap that media moguls have always done. It's downright weird that it hasn't happened.

Or you could take it as some evidence that they don't need to own a media outlet to achieve…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:02:50 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250984#post250984 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250984#post250984 I could go on.
Suffice to say that this *technical correction* will do absolutely nothing to remediate the damage done.

Given that the Herald refused to even respond to TVNZ's attempt to provide correct figures, I'm treating it as a small win.

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:01:23 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250982#post250982 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250982#post250982 The big story is how Joyce is not being questioned over his intentional misuse of figures to ditch TVNZ 7.
Because that would also lead to very searching questions about how this Govt. actually does push legislation.

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:53:27 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250980#post250980 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250980#post250980 It's an industry whose business model is changing. Investing in printed media is not a good bet. And online isn't sustainable in NZ yet either, for some strange reason.

It's not a safe bet, anyway. But as part of a massive portfolio of all kinds of bets, I'm surprised that…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:51:33 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250978#post250978 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250978#post250978 Correction


Contains:

a) No admission that the NZH/HoS has repeatedly used the false figure.

b) No admission that NZH/Hos failed to respond to earlier requests for correction.

c) No explanation that the false figure had hugely understated the actual popularity of TVNZ7.

d) No admission that the false figure was…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:42:21 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250967#post250967 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250967#post250967 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:09:14 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250962#post250962 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250962#post250962 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:00:06 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250959#post250959 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250959#post250959 They already have one, it's called the media, or what will be left of it once they have destroyed the good bits. Why bother building another bit?.

It's kind of hard to believe that none amongst our elites has the get up and go to challenge for their piece of…

]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:44:20 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250929#post250929 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250929#post250929 More like one of NZs burgeoning billionaires setting one up just because they like the pulpit

They already have one, it's called the media, or what will be left of it once they have destroyed the good bits. Why bother building another bit?.

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:44:37 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250927#post250927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250927#post250927 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:14:40 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250914#post250914 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250914#post250914 Minister misled public on TVNZ 7 viewer numbers!You’d think someone there could have written that story.

Can't find a direct quote though, what with Twitter treating me like a leper and snubbing my every advance.
Yes, I think someone should write a piece on a Minister of broadcasting not giving…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:08:12 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250908#post250908 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250908#post250908 It’s not really that large. There’s dozens of people who have that kind of money in NZ, who would hardly notice if the thing went belly up. I’m amazed none of them can be arsed, considering that owning a paper is owning a pulpit.

Michael Horton tried it in the…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:44:37 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250907#post250907 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250907#post250907 You'd think someone there could have written that story.
Career move fail.

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:35:51 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250906#post250906 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250906#post250906 Starting a credible metropolitan daily from scratch would require a very large initial outlay and the ability to sustain years of red ink.

It's not really that large. There's dozens of people who have that kind of money in NZ, who would hardly notice if the thing went belly up.…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:28:20 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250904#post250904 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250904#post250904 And I dunno- reckon we might still be waiting a while for the Herald headline: Minister misled public on TVNZ 7 viewer numbers!

You'd think someone there could have written that story.

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:18:59 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250899#post250899 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250899#post250899 Yep. She's doing the right thing.
But credit to you and Craig too- it could have simply slid on past, to be further quoted down the road. As long as 'low viewer numbers' is touted as a reason for closing TVNZ 7 this has to be slammed at every opportunity.…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:53:47 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250896#post250896 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250896#post250896 I've just been talking to Linda Herrick and it looks like there'll be a correction in the Herald tomorrow — approved by Shayne Currie.

I think she deserves great credit for the way she's handled this.

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:27:41 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250884#post250884 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250884#post250884 Fairfax is only slightly better, but why don’t they just resurrect the Auckland Star?

Short answer: Starting a credible metropolitan daily from scratch would require a very large initial outlay and the ability to sustain years of red ink. However much I'd like it to, don't think the Fairfax Group…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:28:48 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250883#post250883 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250883#post250883 I keep challenging The Herald to be better because it has an effective monopoly in the largest newspaper market in the country. There are also plenty of very talented, honourable people there who deserve a paper that’s consistently at their level.
Fairfax is only slightly better, but why don’t they…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:16:34 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250874#post250874 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250874#post250874 It’s not a matter of any kind of vendetta.

And none from my end, either. Nothing but sincere up-snaps for Herrick and Barry Hill for owning their mistake and undertaking to correct it and I'll be taking the time to make sure they hear that directly.

I keep challenging __The…

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:15:27 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250869#post250869 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250869#post250869 I wonder how many of us emailed?

More than 40.

]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:00:34 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250867#post250867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250867#post250867 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:54:08 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250865#post250865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250865#post250865 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:45:50 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250862#post250862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250862#post250862 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:29:36 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250838#post250838 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250838#post250838 Personally, I’d be very unhappy about being fed bum information by staffers

though if you were a person with lower ethical standards and the misinformation suited your agenda, not so troubled.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:38:39 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250837#post250837 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250837#post250837 Then it was his intention to mislead?


Probably not – but it’s hardly unknown for people to be less inclined to be less inclined to run the bullshit detector over people telling them what they want to hear. Personally, I’d be very unhappy about being fed bum information by staffers…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:24:16 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250835#post250835 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250835#post250835 Coleman said he got the figure from officials and wasn't concerned that it was misleading.
Then it was his intention to mislead?

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:08:34 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250832#post250832 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250832#post250832 Lets not rest on our laurels just yet isn’t it?
Indeed. The TPPA in its current perverted form still poses a threat, especially given the lack of scrutiny – which media advertisers exactly have to gain from it? And here's hoping that Silicon Valley wins the SOPA/PIPA shitfight.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:24:43 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250831#post250831 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250831#post250831 Just to note that Linda Herrick called while I was out and is keen to make a correction. So that’s good.

Bloody oath it is, and I’ve updated the post to say so. Credit where due etc. – but could someone kick Ms. Herrick a rung or four up the…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:48:44 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250830#post250830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250830#post250830

the protest campaign helped disconnection be parked for now as an option. without it, would have been in force already. highly relevant.

The termination clause was not removed and can be enabled by Cabinet at any time without parliamentary vote. The act is up for review this month… Lets not…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:44:56 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250828#post250828 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250828#post250828 wasn't concerned that it was misleading

and won't be until someone makes him

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:25:45 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250827#post250827 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250827#post250827 that qualifier is quite possibly redundant to anyone whose entire income is reliant on them having a functional internet connection.

the protest campaign helped disconnection be parked for now as an option. without it, would have been in force already. highly relevant.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:24:59 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250826#post250826 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250826#post250826 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:21:42 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250825#post250825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250825#post250825 why would anybody talk about taking their trousers off on campus, even to deny doing it in a joking fashion?!oddly that sounds very familiar...
– I find the whole ‘monthly cum’ reporting a bit strange.
Sounds like an average waking dream.
:-~
Any hoo. ont he subject of numbers I…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:20:13 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250824#post250824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250824#post250824

would certainly have been worse

Without wanting to delve too deeply into this, that qualifier is quite possibly redundant to anyone whose entire income is reliant on them having a functional internet connection. As I said earlier Sacha;

The New Zealand population takes this into account and is very forgiving

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:00:41 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250822#post250822 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250822#post250822 Also, Adam Bennett tells me on Twitter that he recently asked Jonathan Coleman about the original error.

Coleman said he got the figure from officials and wasn't concerned that it was misleading.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:44:05 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250821#post250821 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250821#post250821 he best that we can say is that the weekly figure is probably a lot closer to 800,000 than it is to 200,000.

Correct.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:39:15 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250820#post250820 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250820#post250820 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:29:03 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250818#post250818 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250818#post250818 If I understand this matter correctly, there is no ‘correct’ figure as such, in the sense that there isn’t an official statistic for the weekly viewers of TVNZ7

Yeah, I get that. But a good opportunity to clearly re-state a correct figure, I thought.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:19:20 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250812#post250812 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250812#post250812 Just to note that Linda Herrick called while I was out and is keen to make a correction. So that's good.

I believe I can be forgiven for calling back in the morning, rather than on a lovely Sunday afternoon when there is a vegetable curry to be cooked, and…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:04:30 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250811#post250811 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250811#post250811 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:59:38 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250810#post250810 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250810#post250810 internet protest takes the wind out of the sails or serve as a surrogate for real world action

it's not separate from the rest of the world, and needs to be planned and integrated accordingly

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:12:32 +1300 Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250809#post250809 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250809#post250809 perhaps worth giving the correct figure in the body of this post?

If I understand this matter correctly, there is no 'correct' figure as such, in the sense that there isn't an official statistic for the weekly viewers of TVNZ7. (Which itself seems weird to me.) The Minister and the…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:12:24 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250807#post250807 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250807#post250807 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:55:39 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250793#post250793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250793#post250793 I share Chris Waugh's concern.

You're not Chris Waugh? Doh! I have to stop thinking "Chris, in China", now. Not specific enough.

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:19:05 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250792#post250792 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250792#post250792 Russell: perhaps worth giving the correct figure in the body of this post? In bold? Just so it’s imprinted on our memories and also in Google’s search results.

Islander: Kermit can probably do legs akimbo. :-)

Chris W: thanks for your thoughtful analysis – fascinating, as always. Short-term political thinking…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:17:50 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250789#post250789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250789#post250789 You have a true talent for eloquently expressing the permutations of this intensifying political divide in a balanced readable fashion Chris, it's always a pleasure to read, and especially when it gets responses like Steve's above. you present great perspective.

why would anybody talk about taking their trousers off on…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:54:04 +1300 Peter Martin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250788#post250788 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250788#post250788 when well-established english words are sommersaulted into a non-sense meaning of what they are universally understood to mean , you have to wonder what is going on…
The normal wax and wane that is the idiom. It's neither good nor bad. Permanent or transitory. It is just what ya use…

]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:15:26 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250786#post250786 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250786#post250786 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:28:42 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250785#post250785 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250785#post250785 Thanks Sasha. So -semi- illiterates destroying a word-meaning rather than being 'creative'? Pop-cult.
Some of the etomology given in that Wikipedia article is extremely suss-

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:28:41 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250784#post250784 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250784#post250784 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:22:40 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250782#post250782 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250782#post250782 ETA. I just dropped an email on Linda Herrick, the link in the blog don’t work, just heads you to the Herald but it’s not hard to cut and paste eh.
We need to start getting angry about 7.

If there was another tipping point to rally around, it’s the…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:16:56 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250781#post250781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250781#post250781 Until recent times (the 1980s or thereabouts), the term was almost exclusively arms akimbo, with little involvement of the legs; it seems that it was first creatively used to describe sitting cross-legged. More recently, the term has been adapted still further, giving a second sense of limbs being splayed out… ]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:11:17 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250776#post250776 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250776#post250776 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:27:25 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250775#post250775 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250775#post250775

And that, coming from someone that lives in China, should be a wake up call to all those that thought voting for rich people would make them better off.

I share Chris Waugh's concern. I have a pet theory which I can't adequately defend, that despite it's failings, a system…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:07:58 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250768#post250768 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250768#post250768 The bogus lowball number had already become a de facto truth because it appeared repeatedly in the Herald.

A bit like the $90,000 a year Wharfies eh?
And I am really worried about the authoritarian streak I see in the current NZ government...And that, coming from someone that lives in…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:42:52 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250765#post250765 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250765#post250765 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:22:00 +1300 Ana Simkiss https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250764#post250764 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250764#post250764 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:06:23 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250763#post250763 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250763#post250763 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:29:34 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250760#post250760 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250760#post250760 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:00:18 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250758#post250758 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250758#post250758 Akimbo is an interesting word. Usage may be evolving:

Until recent times (the 1980s or thereabouts), the term was almost exclusively arms akimbo, with little involvement of the legs; it seems that it was first creatively used to describe sitting cross-legged. More recently, the term has been adapted still further,…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:45:52 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250757#post250757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250757#post250757 Legz Akimbo? Brett’s triumphant return to socially relevant live theatre…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rXMvpPjonc

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:25:58 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250750#post250750 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250750#post250750

with legs akimbo

Were it human(e)ly possible I'd love to see that photo.Nice one!

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 18:52:25 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250745#post250745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250745#post250745 nd I am really worried about the authoritarian streak I see in the current NZ government…

-showing up in hazard orange now, isnt it? And growing broader by the week-

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 18:16:57 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250744#post250744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250744#post250744 This an irrelevancy but sort of germane- one Michelle Duff, employed by Fairfax media, describes our latest Oscar winner as leaping “with legs akimbo and arms flung out.”

Choice! Wonderful example of journalistic ignorance of what words really mean-

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 18:12:45 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250742#post250742 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250742#post250742 I’ve got no interest in any sort of feud or pissing contest with the paper, but, really, c’mon.

But some facts are worth feuding over.

I recently came across a video on one of the big Chinese video sites from some British news programme (I'm sure no copyrights were harmed…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:32:04 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250741#post250741 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250741#post250741 Part of me feels bad about raising the issue, because it’s just a detail in a sympathetic story.

Yeah, but… broadcasting isn’t the only part of the cultural beat where it really does matter that the numbers aren’t still sticky from being pulled out of someone’s arse. As I said…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:26:05 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250740#post250740 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250740#post250740 I’d bet TVNZ 7’s numbers are rising, too.

Yes, quite consistently. Because, as you note, more and more people own TVs that receive the channel straight out of the box.

I actually suspect that there was a boost from people buying new TVs to enjoy the RWC last year.

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:25:32 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250739#post250739 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250739#post250739 I'd bet TVNZ 7's numbers are rising, too. Until we got a freeview TV (fairly recently) we didn't watch it much; now it's the default channel (we did have a freeview box, for a while- it never found favour!)
As we move towards analogue shut-down, there will be large-scale movement…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:19:55 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250738#post250738 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250738#post250738 Part of me feels bad about raising the issue, because it’s just a detail in a sympathetic story.

And Rebecca Barry Hill could be forgiven on the basis that, as I noted in the big fisking, her own editor, Shayne Currie, still hasn’t acknowledged the error, despite it being demonstrated…

]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:58:34 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250737#post250737 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/muse-the-good-word-bad-numbers-and-the-fake/?p=250737#post250737 Discussion from blog post.

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