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						<p>Yes, this was made clear in Chin J's decision and further explication from concerned bodies &amp; news organs.</p><p>What is evident -and very welcome &ndash; is the clear direction that Google cannot  obviate e-copyright simply because works have been published (in translation or otherwise)in the UK or USA. Lynley Hood and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:45:56 +1300</pubDate>
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						But wait, there's more. LA Times reports that settlement <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2011/03/rejected-google-ebooks-what-happened-whats-next.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">leaves door open</a> for further negotiation and re-filing.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:06:58 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Google Books settlement refused</q></p><p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/23/google-online-library-plans-thwarted" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Guardian story</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:48:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Was just reading this in a fwd'd email from Lynley Hood-</p><p>"We won! (this battle not the war)"</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:50:56 +1300</pubDate>
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						All that stuff is real interesting.  Thanks.  I would say 'paradigm shift', but someone might bonk me on the head with a hyperbole hammer.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:37:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						Google Books <a href="http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show.php?db=special&amp;id=115" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">settlement refused</a> (PDF, 145KB)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:51:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Thanks for that, Sacha.  As our host could tell you, self-publishing requires a hell of a lot of work &mdash; and it helps when you've got someone as disturbingly omni-competent as David Hayward teching the tech. (And though Russell would be far too modest to say so, he's not bad…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:32:04 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/03/future-of-publishers.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">O'Reilly picks up</a> the fuss around Amanda Hocking.<br />Also links to <a href="http://amandahocking.blogspot.com/2011/03/some-things-that-need-to-be-said.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">her own blog post</a> about it:</p><p><q>Traditional publishing and indie publishing aren't all that different, and I don't think people realize that. Some books and authors are best sellers, but most aren't. It may be easier to self-publish than…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:21:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>One point that stood out to me: odd discounting practices, namely slashing prices on bestsellers and quietly ramping up prices on less exalted items.</q></p><p>But complaints of Whitcoulls' predatory loss-leading (and demanding publishers suck up ridiculous discounts and sale-or-return conditions) are nothing new.  I remember when Thomas Harris' <i>Hannibal</i> was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 09:51:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Interesting piece on the Whitcoulls crisis in the Business Herald – unfortunately haven’t been able to locate it online.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10710078" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This one</a>?</p><p>__Instead, they claim, the company's current predicament is an all-too-familiar tale of mismanagement: of shiny new executives rubbishing the opinions of experienced staff; of a bizarre attitude to discounting which…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 09:35:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p>Interesting piece on the Whitcoulls crisis in the Business Herald – unfortunately haven’t been able to locate it online.</p><p>One point that stood out to me: odd discounting practices, namely slashing prices on bestsellers and quietly ramping up prices on less exalted items. In hindsight I feel guilty about buying…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 14:36:38 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>The difference between her &amp; Stephanie Myers is that she is self-publishing &amp; distributing by &amp; large.</q></p><p>That's the point that interests me. Do wish I could have found the link for that earlier story I mentioned by an author about his experience of transition to the new model. </p><p>Some genres will be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:22:40 +1300</pubDate>
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						Sacha &ndash; I've now taken time to read the comments thread for the article you linked to, and 3 things have become very clear: the author mentioned writes genre fiction aimed at a youth market, and charges 99c (US) to 2.99 a copy (and receives 2/3rds of that if she…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:01:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Anybody know these writers? (As in, read them?)<br />Anybody been one of these writers?<br />Anyone actually downloaded these writers?<br />To my mind, there has been a massive &amp; very intensive "persuade campaign" to make writers in general make their books available for e-publication by this kind of crap article.</p><p>A journalist…</p>
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						<p>Story about <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110302/01504713321/more-authors-realizing-they-can-make-damn-good-living-self-releasing-super-cheap-ebooks.shtml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">low price e-book</a> successes for authors.</p><p><q>Not too long ago, we wrote about JA Konrath's claim that we had reached the tipping point with ebooks, where a decent self-published ebook author, who priced their books cheaply (generally under $4) could make a really good living, selling thousands of…</q></p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						Ah, thank you, Ben. My eyesight, combined with a tiny computer screen, means I sometimes can't decipher stuff that I can't magnify.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I saw those, wondered if it was graffiti. Then I realized the words said "Clear". So people wouldn't have to waste time checking if there were people in the cars, I presume.
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>those teensy soundbitish things that when carved/scrawled/painted/whispered/ shouted/sung/droned/exactly written<br />say<br />I am a human being<br />I think this-<br />I hoped that-<br />I was here-</q></p><p>If I'm not very much mistaken, somebody has done exactly that on <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/christchurch-earthquake/news/image.cfm?c_id=1502981&amp;gal_cid=1502981&amp;galle" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">two wrecked cars</a> in a Christchurch street.</p>
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>you can drink, you can get drunk but its value relies purely on its taste </q></p><p>No, Steve, its value is that you can <strong>get drunk</strong> QED!</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>words – those teensy soundbitish things that when carved/scrawled/painted/whispered/ shouted/sung/droned/exactly written<br />say<br />I am a human being<br />I think this-<br />I hoped that-<br />I was here-</q><br />And sometimes but not always-<br />The meaning is received as meant-<br />And when not, is discussed<br />And misunderstood...<br />Sometimes I like to ignore the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:21:47 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>do you know, the vast majority of so-called ice-age engravings/pictures were made by yer usual grubby-minded adolescents depicting their pricks or their scores?</q></p><p>I can see why it caught on. I believe that the most small popular primitive sculpture is that of a woman with large breasts and a big…</p>
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						<p><q>I would have to say: what the fuck are you all on about?</q></p><p>I would have to say that any assumptions that we know, at least on my part, would be grossly overstating the facts.</p><p>Word-speak is truth inversion.  That's not mine, but you can have it.</p>
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						<p>Words, Jackie, words &ndash; those teensy soundbitish things that when carved/scrawled/painted/whispered/ shouted/sung/droned/exactly written<br />say<br />I am a human being<br />I think this-<br />I hoped that-<br />I was here-</p><p>do you know, the vast majority of so-called ice-age engravings/pictures were made by yer usual grubby-minded adolescents depicting their pricks or their…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						If I was at work, and you any of you were talking in front of the kids I teach, they would either ignore  you, or raise their very expressive eyebrows. I, however, have tried to follow recent contributions to this conversation, and on behalf of, I believe, quite a few…
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						<p><q>What he said was that there is no outside-text, that is to say, there is nothing outside context.</q></p><p>See, that almost makes sense to me. In my mind context is still the main thing modernists fail to explain, although to their credit they do try. Always they seek "context-free" knowledge.…</p>
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						Islander, I'm touched. That means a lot to me.
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						<p><q>From The Onion:</q></p><p>Funnily enough, I didn't find that very funny.</p>
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						<p>Ben Wilson, O yea!<br />May I say here, a long time after, how very much I respect &amp; enjoy your contributions?<br />Bad start – but it was a bard start- and it has grown ever after.<br />You came here in at an extraordinarily difficult time (at least, as far as I…</p>
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						<p><q>However, grammar is dependent on humans in a way that numbers aren't. If people had never existed, grammar wouldn't exist. Numbers, though, would.</q></p><p>Depending what you mean by grammar, I'm not sure there's much difference. Formal grammars, which are used to define computer programming languages, and other languages too, are…</p>
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						<p>From The Onion:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k</a></p>
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						<p><q>Go on then. I have to know. Who's got the biggest infinity of them all?</q></p><p>That did come up. The answer? No one. There is no biggest infinite set. This is because you can always form a bigger set when you take the set of all subsets of a set.…</p>
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						<p>And from the other animals speaking to us!</p><p>(Ok, it's mainly, "Marshmallows, gis us matches &amp; a stick" but it does appear to be interspecies communication (which has always happened &ndash; dogs, horses (less so), cats know but refuse to actually talk other than manipulate, and most especially, some cetaceans, and…</p>
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						Amazing stuff, eh?  Dr Dolittle.
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						recordari- that is one of my ace-in-hands! Kanzi has not only passed on a symbolic language to other generations of bonobo, understands a lot of human words (+800, and can use them appropriately) but has also invented a bonobo-spoken form (which has also been picked up by other bonobos, and…
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						<p><q>Sooo, we cruise up to something that has intrigued and perturbed me for over 50 years – what is language? Communication with species-specific rules?</q><br />Recently finished Sarah Gruen's <em>Ape House</em>.  While it is a human form of sign language the Bonobos have 'acquired', they communicate, which does raise some interesting…</p>
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						"This piece of intellectual property cannot be copyrighted or trademarked because it has been plagiarised. <strong>© TM</strong>"
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						<p>However, one of the most pervasive concepts making up rules for constructing and interpreting human language is … <strong>identity</strong> <br />(necessary for pronoun systems, deixis, definiteness, existential constructions, and possibly, though less directly, even for tense/ aspect systems).<br />It isn’t clear to me how postmodernism copes with that.</p><p>Islander: close, it’s…</p>
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						<p>I think you are, somewhat unwisely, limiting language only to our species (and only, since we dont have much evidence aside from FoxP2 and the hydoid (? -my anatomy stuff is upstairs and it's very wet here)bone for the possibility that earlier extinct humans could use language...<br />Sooo, we cruise…</p>
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						<p><q>You’re right about the first statement, wrong about the second.</q><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophiæ_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica.</a> was written by Isaac Newton and I hold that Messrs. Whitehead and Russell are sailing close to the wind on the plagiarism front when it comes to coining a striking title for ones book. Propositional…</p>
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						<p>'Which' was but one example of many. All languages have grammar. You could say that language = words + rules for combining and modifying those words. </p><p>The important point is that, regardless of what they are in any individual case, all words and all rules have been made up by…</p>
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						<p>It was Foucault who scathingly interpreted Derrida's theory as 'a pedagogy which teaches the student that there is nothing outside the text'. Which is why Derrida was only <em>partially correct</em> when he was <em>said to have suggested</em> it, not <em>completely incorrect</em> when he <em>wasn't quoted verbatim</em>. <br />However, that's a semantic…</p>
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						Our dog, Stella, can tell the time. Exactly 13 minutes ago she demanded rawhide munchies, her appetiser before the jellymeat. And before you poo poo this I have to point out that she adjusts for daylight saving and only gets it wrong when the clock on the stove is out.
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						<p><q>Take a bottle of wine, for instance, It is a liquid, it comes in a bottle, you can drink, you can get drunk but its value relies purely on its taste which is intangible. </q></p><p>Wait a minute, I thought in NZ the value of a particular bottle of wine was…</p>
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						<p><q>One and one equal TWO and it was Newton not Russell.</q></p><p>You're right about the first statement, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Principia_Mathematica_theorem_54-43.png" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">wrong about the second</a>.</p>
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						I think my pebbles (words=numbers=qualities=words) are stirring mud rather than enlightenment...there are languages that get by without which,and other animals that know numbers (your average dog knows 1/2/more, and a lot of birds have an appreciably better grasp of numbers than that-)
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						<q>Bertrand Russell had to do quite a bit of work in Principia Mathematica to demonstrate that one plus one equals to, as I recall.</q>One and one equal TWO and it was Newton not Russell. You'll be telling me that Wealth of Nations was written by Ayn Rand next.
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						Go on then. I have to know. Who's got the biggest infinity of them all?
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						<p>There are plenty of words that are without real world (or, as I prefer to call it, 'world of appearances') signifieds – symbols that exist solely to manipulate other symbols, much like how + and = functions in an equation.</p><p>You can't point to 'which' for example.</p><p>However, grammar is…</p>
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						<p><q>Nothing is real! Nothing is true! Nothing exists!</q>Nah, Nuffink doesn't exist...<br />I was having a discussion last night with a friend regarding the intangibility of value.<br />Take a bottle of wine, for instance, It is a liquid, it comes in a bottle, you can drink, you can get drunk but…</p>
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						<p><q>Bertrand Russell had to do quite a bit of work in Principia Mathematica to demonstrate that one plus one equals to, as I recall.</q></p><p>Yes, it was the work of about 2 months in a class I did in Stage 3. Having done that, it actually led to history's first…</p>
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						<p>"korua" "pair" "a couple"...<br />two-ness as words with explicit meaning =2<br />-just for the fun of dropping small pebbles into the murky pomo pool-</p>
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						Yes.
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						<p><q>No longer can you have a strictly material conception of what exists.</q></p><p>Most human cultures never did have that &ndash; it's a more recent abberation</p>
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						<p><q>It’s apropos of nothing in particular, but this is a lovely piece by Dave Armstrong in today’s DomPost.</q></p><p>+1</p><p>I am forever thankful for going through through WHS in the 90's, while I saw friends crash and burn at Wellington College down the road.</p><p>My son will start college in…</p>
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						<p><q>That you need to consider such a thing as an 'abstract idea-space' for it to exist in shows what a deeply strange thing two is.</q></p><p>Bertrand Russell had to do quite a bit of work in Principia Mathematica to demonstrate that one plus one equals to, as I recall.</p>
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						<p>That you need to consider such a thing as an 'abstract idea-space' for it to exist in shows what a deeply strange thing <em>two</em> is.</p><p>No longer can you have a strictly material conception of what exists.</p><p>Down the rabbit hole we go.</p>
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						<p><q>The text is constructed by the reader, and the reader is constructed by the act of constructing the text.</p><p>Nothing is real! Nothing is true! Nothing exists!</q></p><p>You're missing any connecting logic between those two statements</p>
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						<p>I'd also note that postmodernists/poststructuralists are using "text" in a broad way.</p><p>I like "we're all born into language" as a paraphrase of Derrida's otherwise waffly French academic prose.  </p><p>And I reject the assertion I quoted above that we can only care about either symbol or object, politics or culture,…</p>
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						<p>Never did I say he had.</p><p>I am not discussing Derrida.</p>
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						<p><q>You can point to two things, but not to two itself.</q></p><p>Again, I'm not so sure, and wary of buying a doctrine. Maybe there is a 2 in some abstract idea-space. Certainly 2 is a very powerful idea, with extremely wide applicability. It would seem to have captured some very…</p>
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						<p><q>Nothing is real! Nothing is true! Nothing exists!</q><br />You are entering the Matrix.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ5iFQv1KaE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ5iFQv1KaE</a></p>
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						<p><q>Nothing is real! Nothing is true! Nothing exists!</p><p>Nothing like a bit of nihilism on a sunny afternoon, eh?</q></p><p>Again, if only Derrida had actually said that... I do hope you are enjoying your strawman.</p>
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						<p>Numbers are excellent examples. They are symbols with which you can do operations according to a self-contained set of non-arbitrary rules. However, numbers are signifiers without an actual world signified. You can't point to <em>two</em>. You can point to two things, but not to two itself.</p><p>Likewise, just as you…</p>
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						<p><q>Derrida was partially correct when he suggested nothing exists outside the text.</q></p><p>Except for the fact that he never said that. What he said was that there is no outside-text, that is to say, there is nothing outside context.</p>
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						<p><q>..and why are wines described as dry? Shouldn’t that be sour?</q></p><p>A dry wine is an empty bottle, I keep saying that.</p>
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						<p><q>Derrida was partially correct when he suggested nothing exists outside the text. </q></p><p>This one's confounded me for around 15 years. Not that partial to postmodernism (perhaps mainly through lack of exposure), it strikes me as a proposition which could go either way. Maybe there is only text. Or maybe the…</p>
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						I am humbled to be even having this conversation.  Am I <em>having this conversation</em>?  This seems wholly more existential than any other aforementioned philosophical construct.  It all comes down to <em>sensations of the numena</em> in the end.
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						<p><q>I meant no offence</q> None taken; it was a good question.</p><p><q>can be taken to excess but I reckon it can also be an exciting and fresh way of regarding the world and the making of meaning</q> </p><p>Yes. And sometimes simultaneously, especially when combined with deconstructionism. Derrida was partially correct…</p>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						It's apropos of nothing in particular, but <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/4681871/Reflecting-on-a-Tech-education" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> is a lovely piece by Dave Armstrong in today's DomPost.
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						<p><q>Post-modernists care very much about symbols and little about the material world. Perhaps that’s mostly because they tend to be well-off and well-educated, so don’t have much in the way of material concerns themselves.</q></p><p>"If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it."</p><p>It's the cymbals I…</p>
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						<p>..and why are wines described as <em>dry</em>?  Shouldn’t that be <em>sour</em>?</p><p>All those words that get used and abused, such as <em>natural</em> or <em>authentic</em></p>
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						<p><q>I sense a drift towards a discussion of semiotics here..The study of signs can be taken to excess but I reckon it can also be an exciting and fresh way of regarding the world and the making of meaning</q></p><p><br />I recently read an interview with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilayanur_S._Ramachandran#Synesthesia" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Vilayanur S. Ramachandran</a>, which is…</p>
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						<q>“No word is inherently meaningful. Rather a word is only a ‘signifier,’ or the representation of something, and it must be combined in the brain with the ‘signified,’ or the thing itself, in order to form a meaning-imbued ‘sign.’ In dismantling ‘signs’ we come to an empirical understanding of how…</q>
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						I sense a drift towards a discussion of semiotics here..The study of signs can be taken to excess but I reckon it can also be an exciting and fresh way of regarding the world and the making of meaning... I use the example of traffic lights with my students and…
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						<p>Not J.D Salinger, but interests include synesthesia and its close association with competitive pig-calling and favourite colour is the shade of taupe that signifies the high tide mark in a well-used bathtub.</p><p>From the linked article: "...refusal to play the publicity game, or to appear to swim in the same…</p>
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						<p><q>Dude, step away from the Post-Modernism!</q></p><p>Yeah, it's what those new bourge-wah lefties are using to <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/re-imagining-danyls-special-theory-of-key/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">undermine clothcap modernism</a>, don't you know.</p><p><q>See, the Left, or at least the socialist Left, is very much a modernist project. We’re materialists – we’re interested in government and the political-economic system for the…</q></p>
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						<p>How interesting -you're proposing yourself, Stephen?<br />Because Elizabeth Caffin, Paul Diamond, Tony Fisk and Brian Flaherty arnt-</p>
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						Kind messages would be well received, even by hermits, I imagine. If celebrity sits, then more power to those with whom it does so comfortably... The fact that it may not shouldn't preclude the work of an author from either excellent publicity, or scathing reviews. Until humans achieve singularity with…
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						<p><q>Dude, step away from the Post-Modernism!</q></p><p>What, you mean I should burn my Barthes and Baudrillard?  That would just leave Baudelaire, and I quite like my alliterative approach to library classification.</p><p><q>I knew the respect for Te Herald couldn’t last, but really – you couldn’t try and sketch out the…</q></p>
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						<blockquote><p>Oi!</p></blockquote><p>That's a year of my life I'd have never got back, if I hadn't stopped going to the lectures.</p>
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						<p><q>Dude, step away from the Post-Modernism!</q></p><p>Oi!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Which references The Death of the Author by Roland Barthes in 1968.</p></blockquote><p>Dude, step away from the Post-Modernism!</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I would like ‘antiphrastical recriminations’ to become part of my common parlance, if only I could work out what it means.</q></p><p>Pish. That’s not as high a barrier as you might think.</p><p>Elsewhere: Richard Flanagan has a <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/national/scary-new-worlds-uncertain-borders-20110218-1azqb.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">good (but depressing) piece</a> in <em>The Age</em>..</p><p>Meanwhile, in the NZHerald least said…</p>
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						<p><q>And from where I sit, in a metaphysical fug here on my sofa in front of the television, whiskey in hand, slippers on and pants off, that seems unacceptable.</q><br />Are you J D Salinger?  </p><p>[Coat]</p><p>But on a more serious note, the LA Times had this <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/02/entertainment/ca-recluse2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">interesting piece</a> in 2007.…</p>
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						I was sort of talking about this the other day to a friend who is an author. I wanted to tell him how much I had enjoyed one of his books, and how lovely it was to do it in person. I was telling him how I used to email…
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						<p><q>In-person contact between writers &amp; readers is one development</q></p><p>Unfortunately authorial anonymity is considered at best a disease, at worst 'brand suicide'. And from where I sit, in a metaphysical fug here on my sofa in front of the television, whiskey in hand, slippers on and pants off, that seems unacceptable.</p>
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						<p><q>Holy frigg, The New Zealand Herald publishes something I can commend to your attention without a health warning. Whitcoulls the latest victim of private equity boom and crash. Very well done, Liam Dann.</q></p><p>And on a related note, Iceland shows that <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10706907" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">saying "NO!" to bank bailouts</a> need not be a recipe…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Holy frigg, The New Zealand Herald publishes something I can commend to your attention without a health warning. <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10707269" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Whitcoulls the latest victim of private equity boom and crash</a>.  Very well done, Liam Dann.
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						I stopped using Whitcoulls back in 03 or do but recently used them for Christmas gifts and they did not really impress. The books were all in stock but took up to 6 weeks to be posted piecemeal, despite ordering them as a group to the same address by 10…
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						<p>"O – may I point out that the selection board (for titles deemed worthy of digitalisation) for DPNZ does not include a single writer of literary fiction…"</p><p>Yes it does.</p>
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						I'm in two minds about how much, if anything, I want to know about the authors I read. Once you know what a person's beliefs are you cannot help but see them reflected in their work and for every time this has given me delightful new layers of understanding there…
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						<p><q>In a word, NO.<br />Because other readers (self, for instance) do call those stories out as self-involved self-justifying coniving crap. And someone who is a human shit deserves to go down in death as a paltry lacklustre nithing.<br />So be it, for Orson Scott Card.</q></p><p>Are you suggesting that the…</p>
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						<p>In a word, NO.<br />Because other readers (self, for instance) do call those stories out as self-involved self-justifying coniving crap. And someone who is a human shit deserves to go down in death as a paltry lacklustre nithing. <br />So be it, for Orson Scott Card.<br />Whereas &ndash; my hero-writers, Ursula…</p>
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						<p><q>Orson Scott Card is an author whose works I have enjoyed, but whose thoughts on many things I wish I didn’t know. </q></p><p>That’s also why I trying to break my addiction to literary biographies – I should be higher-minded about it, but it was rather uncomfortable reading the [[http://www.loa.org/volume.jsp?RequestID=307l|Library of…</p>
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						<p><q>I most often appeciate authors notes in books, as I find it interesting to know their thoughts on the whats and whys of the work. Stephen King, Piers Anthony and Orson Scott Card spring to mind as examples.</q></p><p>Orson Scott Card is an author whose works I have enjoyed, but…</p>
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						<q>but if it's something that becomes expected of authors, that they are extremely personable self-promoters, that troubles me a little bit. It's a very different skillset from being a good writer &ndash; not saying that one can't be both, but I'd like us to be able to look out for…</q>
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						Here in Ham-town I tend to purchase new from Pennys at Chartwell, but I'm more likely to buy second-hand from Browsers in the main street (if money was not an object, I'd take a job there, or buy the place). Whitcoulls and Paper Plus tend to be a constant source…
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						O &ndash; may I point out that the selection board (for titles deemed worthy of digitalisation) for DPNZ does not include a single writer of literary fiction...
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						One of the really neat things about teh webz is the personal communication networks that happen (i.e.they're not Facebook or Linked-in or whatever- they're just people catching up with people for various reasons, including similar jobs.) So, Lynley Hood really got things moving over the Google Fiasco, and definitely alerted…
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						Heartening to hear two writers say that.
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						<p>Independent bookshops on the Coast are definitely hanging in there &ndash; but there is very little in the way of community stuff (visiting authors, NZ Book Month, book launches et al) organised round them, because they've found it literally doesnt pay. Libraries? &ndash; a bit more inclusive.</p><p>I think it…</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p>My apologies* &ndash; for some reason I thought there was a further back room. Perhaps your neighbours don't have customer-accessible rooms at the back, and are thus less circumspect than they might be? I am a great fan of your shop.</p><p>* Saying this a lot lately :-(</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>'The Bad Baby and the Elephant'</q></p><p>I've been trying to remember the title of this book for the last two weeks!</p><p>Thanks for that.</p><p>'He never once said please....'</p>
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				<title>Emily Perkins</title>
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						<p>Unity are often the booksellers on the scene at such events. I don't know how it works for them, but they seem committed, so assume there are some good results.</p><p>In-person contact between writers &amp; readers is one development; something like Cursor's publishing model is another, <a href="http://thinkcursor.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://thinkcursor.com/</a> and booksellers are part…</p>
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						<p><q>I'm talking about a different way of connecting. Venues &amp; ideas that give rise to new writing / reading / speaking / listening forms. The OGB last year was a good example of that for me.</q></p><p>Are we still talking about the viability of bookshops though, or have we moved on…</p>
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						Yeah, I'm not talking about standard author-reading-from-published-work events, though god knows they are a reality of now & many people enjoy them. Most writers I know agree that book promotion eats horribly into writing time etc, even as the benefits of meeting readers are great. And I take B. Kingsolver's concerns…
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				<title>Time Out Bookstore</title>
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						<p>Hi, it's Jonathan from Time Out. Just want to clear up this alarming quote:</p><p><q>I also love Time Out books, and their children’s section is nice, except when you can smell dope smoke drifting in from the back room; it’s kinda amusing I guess, but not when I have my…</q></p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>Yup. Red Group Retail has debts of $50-75 million and breached banking covenants back in July. Of $25 million in annual earnings, $9 million went on debt servicing. Sheesh.</q></p><p>That's not a very long term financial model is it? I'm mortgaged up the wazoo and I don't pay that %…</p>
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						Made the hummus already.  Will saddle up the ponies soon, honest.
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						Yep &ndash; slow start
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						Excuse me, both of you. Shouldn't you be getting ready to go somewhere?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<strong>Virtual book tours</strong> seem to be the new way. Read a great article by an author comparing the traditional road trip and the new online option, but can't find it.
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						<p><q>Yep</q></p><p>Dude, that was quick.  I’m dying a little inside now, just so you know.  ;-<<br /><q>This from High Tide in Tucson by Barbara Kingsolver:</q><br />Also very well put.  Where would we be if only celebrity authors made it onto the shelves of bookstores?  Oh, in Whitcoulls.  As you were.</p>
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						<p><q>I’m such a TY geek, he could fart on record and I’d buy it</q></p><p>Yep</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xgeT2hzxrQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xgeT2hzxrQ</a></p>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p>Very well said, sir.<br />This from <em>High Tide in Tucson</em> by Barbara Kingsolver:<br /><q> Why isn't the author's written word enough? Why must she follow her book out into the world like an anxious mother, to hold its hand and vouch for its character? Why, for that matter, is a book…</q></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The Tech Books store on Broadway in Newmarket is a good 'indie' store that's entirely focussed on technical books.</q></p><p>So here's a question for my tasty Brains Trust &ndash; is there a future for the general bookseller (a bit of everything and pulling digit from rectum when it comes to…</p>
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						Heard the interview with the Piratebay's Peter Sunde on NatRad this morning. He was speaking about his latest project, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flattr" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flattr</a>, which seems to point a way forward for the future of royalty payments. Although he was referring to film and music, the same can easily apply to books.
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						<p><q>It's a return to personal community interaction that is growing precisely because it's in contrast to the other changing ways we read... Whether this is taken up by readers and listeners in a way that enables our survival remains to be seen.</q></p><p>You mean whether readers and listeners will be…</p>
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						<p>You're right, Jessica. The Island Bay Stationers is a wee gem, particularly for picture books. We used to go there a lot when my lad was younger and we'd often find offbeat and wonderful things. The owner really knows her stock well too. <br /><q> I am very fond of both Unity…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:09:46 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>ThreadJack.</p><p>Where’s the music thread when you need one?  Radiohead slipped out their latest release overnight <em><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/feb/18/radiohead-king-limbs-first-review" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The King of Limbs</a></em>.  I’m sure there will be many ‘mehs’ going round, but I’m such a TY geek, he could fart on record and I’d buy it.  Which is just as well.  As…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Yup. Red Group Retail <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/08/11/closing-the-book-on-retailing-publishers-nervous-at-giants-health/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">has debts of $50-75 million</a> and breached banking covenants back in July. Of $25 million in annual earnings, $9 million went on debt servicing. Sheesh.
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						The <a href="http://www.techbooks.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tech Books</a> store on Broadway in Newmarket is a good 'indie' store that's entirely focussed on technical books. Prices are well, sticker shock, but I suppose if you really want that in-depth technical book about baking bread, or repairing your 1970 Marino, you'll pay, as you'll mostly get your…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:27:59 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>"I don’t think bookstores will survive thanks to engaged consumers. They will survive by providing smart readers with a service that cheaper online depositories can’t match. Whitcoulls hasn’t been doing that, and frankly it’s not technology’s fault."</p><p>I don't think what I'm arguing for is incompatible with this point. Engaged…</p>
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						<p><q>Basically it costs around three times the price to buy a tech book in NZ as it does to buy it in the UK and get it shipped here.</q></p><p>Fiction is bad enough in NZ, but technical books are <em>insane</em>. Whenever we went to Borders, my partner would always go…</p>
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						<p>Although I, too, don't want to see more people lose their jobs, I still blame Borders for causing the demise of Dymocks in Wellington, so from that perspective I'm feeling slightly schadenfreudish at the moment.</p><p>These days I do Unity Books for new novels (because they love books) and Arty…</p>
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						<p>Thinking about where I buy books from, when I was in Auckland I'd wander down the road to Time Out, and in Wellington I go to Unity. Both places have great atmosphere, smart staff and are just nice places to experience.</p><p>Whitcoulls has always felt like a variety store with…</p>
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						Ah, 'good' old Flying Pig, I'd forgotten about you.  They've always been a fairly conservative bunch.  I worked at Whitcoulls part-time for a couple of years in the early 90s and it was pointed out to me that it was one of the few retail chains that largely shunned TV…
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				<title>Anna Bowbyes</title>
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						While I'm not a huge Whitcoulls/Borders fan and much prefer to support my local independent bookstores, if there are store closures the impact will be felt beyond bookstore staff losing their jobs. NZ publishers rely on these chains to buy their books. The loss of sales will force publishers to…
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				<title>jessica scott</title>
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						Now that I'm thinking about Bookshops I like: The Island Bay Stationers in Wellington is  one of my favourite bookshops and a recent surprise discovery. You wouldn't expect it from looking at the front window- it looks like a regular dairy/magazine shop. It has an amazing range of children's books-…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:18:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><a href="http://twitter.com/#!/richardram/status/38523613749587968" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Richard Ram</a> adds:</p><p><q>Good bye Whitcoulls, you had over ten years to figure this shit out. #flyingpig</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:21:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<q>So, I'm biased, and not 'blaming' the internet as this doesn't look like a situation of 'fault', but &ndash; and I'm possibly preaching to the choir or stating the bleeding obvious! &ndash; I just want to speak up for active consumer engagement that isn't only convenience based. If we have…</q>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:32:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Robertson</title>
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						Last year I needed to spend a voucher, so I went in to Whitcoulls Corner armed with a list of fairly mainstream YA. I eventually found my seventh choice, with the usual markup, and reaffirmed my relationship with the library. Borders used to have a pretty decent SF section (I've…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:05:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						+ 1 @ Craig. I'm not buying the interwebz killed the book star argument... there's more to this story than a cabinet at the side of the road...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:27:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						Yes, Levenes?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:23:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						Strangely enough, Real Groovy ditched alot of music and expanded their book section, which points to, well something. Possibly their range, not to be found in either Unity Books or Whitcoulls is well, unique. Goths/punks/indies/alternates etc apparently do read.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:10:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Entering RED group produces interesting stuff....
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:32:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>No, thank you (and Islander) for contributing &ndash; in all the commentary and media coverage, writers have been marginalized.  Very easy to forget you guys are affected every bit as much as publishers and the book retailing sector. </p><p>And seriously, folks, thanks for all your wonderfully thoughtful contributions.  The nice…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:31:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p><q>I asked a shop attendant to check their catalogue to see if the book was available and was told there was one copy for sale in the store.</q></p><p>This happened to me in Whitcoulls St Lukes with Karen Healey’s <em>Guardian of The Dead</em>.  It was apparently ‘there’, just that ‘there’…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:28:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Is this another case of a successfully trading company being wrecked by debt loaded in by private equity owners?</q></p><p>Bloody good question.  I'm certainly hoping a solid business journalist &ndash; either here or in Oz &ndash; is going to get under the "evil interwebz broke our business" meme which seems…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:23:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>It's also worth noting that Whitcoull's has private equity owners.</p><p>I don't know the back-story here &mdash; anyone here who does? I'd be interested &mdash; but it looks like yet another example of how fucked the private equity model is.</p><p>Is this another case of a successfully trading company being…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:18:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Ooh even more!
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>Someone from the Consumers Institute was interviewed on NatRad this evening and said basically if you've got Whitcoulls vouchers, take the 50%.</p><p>Technically you're an unsecured creditor and with everything legally frozen they don't legally have to honour them at all right now. </p><p>Any new owner won't be obliged to…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>I’m cynical. I never got any advance, let alone royalties, for the Czechoslovakian number, nor any royalties for the Norwegian version. *<br />An Israeli person, who has become a friend, spent a lot of time &amp; effort translating tbp into Russian(she is Russian-born, and fluent, sigh, in 4 languages including English)…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:33:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p><q>that Chinese contract</q></p><p>Oooh.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:24:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jane Pearson</title>
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						I recently found two old $25 book vouchers for Whitcoulls lurking in an envelope in a drawer.  As they had no expiry date I went to the local Whitcoulls to spend them.  My initial search was unsuccessful but after much thought I came up with a book I could expect…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:12:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emily Perkins</title>
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						There are some great points made here and thanks Craig and Russell for providing the forum. The Nine to Noon interview is definitely worth a listen. I guess as an invested author it's simple for me to want to support those who support me, so I buy from independents and…
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				<title>philipmatthews</title>
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						<p><q>More than once I've left empty handed at the first attempt. There's nothing there I want to buy.</q></p><p>I know the feeling. Last year I was given a $30 Whitcoulls voucher and spent an hour going through their biggest store down here (Cashel St) looking for something  I might actually…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>This kind of corporate inflexibility did them no favours.</q></p><p>Certainly – small indie book stores, which seems to be thriving as much as anyone in the retail sector can at the moment, don’t have that luxury.  You’ve got to go that bit further, be innovative and flexible in your customer…</p>
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				<title>Gabor Toth</title>
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						<q>My brief dabble in independent book publishing certainly didn't leave me with a good impression of Whitcoulls. When Great New Zealand Argument launched, Whitcoulls' copies hadn't left the Warehouse and later we started getting direct sales requests from regional branches because they couldn't get the books from their own head…</q>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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						Until it was shut down by the boxing day aftershock I spent a lot of time in the central Christchurch branch of Whitcoulls due to it being located opposite my kids' school and beside the bus stop and therefore a useful place to use up a spare 15 minutes. There…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:58:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>I've noticed, especially in the last few years, that I can go down to Whitcoulls to buy a book and leave empty handed due to there being nothing there I want to read.</q></p><p>Whitcoulls gift voucher is my standard present from the in-laws (not this year, as luck has it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:52:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder what the total exposure on vouchers is. Saying “we can’t redeem vouchers until things are sorted out” would have been better than trying to force people to spend cash on top to redeem them.</q></p><p>Indeed &ndash; and while it would still piss me off if I was trying…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Thanks for acting so swiftly with this post, Craig. You're a trooper.</p><p>My brief dabble in independent book publishing certainly didn't leave me with a good impression of Whitcoulls. When <em>Great New Zealand Argument</em> launched, Whitcoulls' copies hadn't left the Warehouse and later we started getting direct sales requests from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:32:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Shit, just heard on Nat Radio that various Borders + Whitcoulls stores are refusing to honour their vouchers/ gift tokens.  Hey, guy, pissing on people whose good will and support you <em>desperately need right about now</em> is beyond stupid.
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				<title>Cushla McKinney</title>
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						Here in Dunedin we don't have Borders, and the Whitcoulls has a disappointingly small, mainstream stock list (especially in SF, as others have also commented).  Luckily for us we have the University Book Shop which stocks or can get just about anything.  Generally, though,  I tend to get most of…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:59:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"People who bought this book also liked...." has worked for me on Amazon with surprising frequency.</p></blockquote><p>Top 'also liked' for Not Safe For Work? xkcd. Works for me.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:14:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						I had a minor suspension-of-disbelief problem with <em>The Sparrow</em> (and I'm pretty happy with a lot of <em>very</em> dubious SF) &ndash; while Russell is quite skilful with her depictions of the <em>technology</em> of the expedition, I think the <em>organisation</em> ("Sure, we'll fund an expedition to another star! And why don't…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:12:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>how do you browse on-line? Some of my best purchases &mdash; and longest-lasting literary romances &mdash; were a result of going into a store looking for one book, and stumbling (in one case literally) over another that I'd not even heard of.</q></p><p>"People who bought this book also liked...." has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:59:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p><q>I thought The Sparrow and Children of God are both excellent books</q></p><p>I liked <em>The Sparrow</em>, although I think the way the author brushes off the (at times quite startling) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sparrow_(novel)#The_Sparrow_and_A_Case_of_Conscience" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">similarities</a> between her book and James Blish's <em>A Case of Conscience</em> are unconvincing.  I found <em>Children of God</em> to be…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						'Simplified Chinese, print only.'
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:29:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachaelking</title>
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						I don't know if anyone knows this, but new books at Borders and Whitcoulls, unless they're on the sale tables, are often 10% more expensive than other shops. eg my last novel was supposed to be $37, but at Whitcoulls & Borders was a whopping $41.
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						This seems to have quite a parallel to the fall of the retail-music-selling giants (Tower etc) of the last few years, while the independent sellers are doing better than ever. (That's my impression, at least. Unity always seems to be very busy whenever I go there in Wellington) It seems…
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Ears. Perking up.
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>When I was 16, staff at Whitcombe &amp; Tombs in CHCH encouraged me to open an account.* <br />Nearly 2 decades ago, I closed my Whitcoulls account. Their sales had become crap-rotation; ordering a book through them took forever, and they had become less than impressive with the currency of their stock.…</p>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						There is no protection for holders of Whitcoulls vouchers. All of those plastic cards loaded up with money and given out as christmas/birthday presents to doted on offspring etc might already be worthless as happened with a recent collapse in the music industry. Submissions in regard of this have been…
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p>I am less concerned about Whitcoulls (except, of courses, for those who might lose their jobs) than on-campus Bennetts bookshops such as at Waikato Uni and Wintec.  They are pretty damn essential. </p><p>My favourite story about the 'patchy' customer  serrvice at Whitcoulls was when I went in search of a…</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						When Borders first opened in Christchurch, it had a fantastic science fiction selection &ndash; I could have walked in and picked out more than 20 books I really really wanted.  I get the feeling from regular visits to Borders that its specialist selection may have gone downhill a little since…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						+ 1, Fergus.  As I said, whatever I think of Whitcoulls as a bookseller I'd rather not see anyone put out of work.  And I know you might not feel comfortable talking about it, but I can't imagine any Anzac publisher would look at the prospect of two major chains…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:25:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Too late :-) I thought it was pretty good</q></p><p>I thought <em>The Sparrow</em> and <em>Children of God</em> are both excellent books, but (avoiding spoilers) I now recommend them with the caveat that they may be <em>extremely</em>  triggering for survivors of rape/sexual abuse and domestic violence. after unwittingly loaning my copy…</p>
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				<title>Fergus Barrowman</title>
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						It's to soon to predict, but my hope is that the NZ operation can quickly be cut free from Australia and put back on a sound footing with minimal closures and cuts.
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p><q> so I tend to do online market research surveys and select book voucher cards as my payment </q></p><p>That is both a fantastic plan I may have to emulate, and something I'm going to taunt my market research colleagues with.</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I spent over a hundred bucks between Whitcoulls and Borders just last week-for newly released and less popular fantasy books, independent stores just don't cut it unless I already know what I'm after and put an order in six weeks in advance (which is unworkable given how fast I read…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:57:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>Dear James Butler. You may think you want to read The Sparrow but, trust me, you don’t. Yes, thank you, the therapy helped and I now feel a lot better.</q></p><p>Too late :-) I thought it was pretty good, although perhaps not up to the hype I had heard/read about…</p>
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				<title>Richard Derham</title>
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						I mostly buy books from Whitcoulls or Borders. I don't have a lot of money for book buying so I tend to do online market research surveys and select book voucher cards as my payment. I've noticed, especially in the last few years, that I can go down to Whitcoulls…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:36:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Thomas Beagle</title>
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						<p>Dear James Butler. You may think you want to read The Sparrow but, trust me, you don't. Yes, thank you, the therapy helped and I now feel a lot better.</p><p>As for books and me, I read as much as I ever did, but nowadays it tends to be websites…</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p>I’m loving the new Auckland Super City Super Library System. Before the amalgamation, I discovered that some books I wanted to read ( <em>The Dying Earth</em> , <em>The Sparrow</em>) were only available in far-flung branches on the Shore, so I waited until November then requested them online. Brilliant!</p><p>I also…</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						Really?  I always thought he was an Author, not a doctor.  Turns out he is <a href="http://www.bacilounge.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">both</a>.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:13:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>depth and range of stock being sold by knowledgeable and pleasant staff is better</q></p><p>this</p><p>Whitcoulls stopped stocking books and I stopped going there. Sure they had some picture books and some bestsellers, but if I wanted to find the books by say, a top SF author, Whitcoulls sure as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:08:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						My mother mostly buys her books, J, and she mostly uses Baci. Incidentally, the guy that owns it, if he still does, is a tremendous skin specialist. Used him for a couple of nasty growths.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<title>Dismal Soyanz</title>
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						oops &ndash; that should have been Craig &ndash; soz
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:33:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						<p>becuase i hate flying i always treat myself to a book or magazine from whitcoulls at the airport and they have a great jigsaw puzzle collection.</p><p>For Craft books, borders are the only place I'm lucky enough to find them, normally i have to go online, and even then i…</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>This is a thoughtful take on it, from across the ditch, from author and blogger and killer of flatmates with felafels John Birmingham: <a href="http://www.cheeseburgergothic.com/archives/2212" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.cheeseburgergothic.com/archives/2212</a></p><p>I suspect his conclusion is right:</p><p><q>The sort of high volume disposable fiction which is their stock in trade, will migrate almost entirely into electronic form…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:31:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Just gone live: audio of <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/20110218" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">useful discussion on Nine to Noon</a> with Noel Waite, author of Books for a Nation: The Whitcoulls Story and senior lecturer in print and design culture at Otago University; and Graham Beattie, former publisher and bookseller, who writes Beatties Book Blog.
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				<title>Dismal Soyanz</title>
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						<p><q>but it strikes me as wistful thinking that there won’t be store closures and job losses</q></p><p>Ah, Russell I didn't know you were a slash and burn kinda guy. :)</p><p>I only go into Whitcoulls during the sales (anytime during the year) when I go looking for pressies for the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:17:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>I live in Auckland, and while deep discounting is nice, depth and range of stock being sold by knowledgeable and pleasant staff is better.  Certainly worth paying a premium for.</q></p><p>Once I passed the age of, mmm, thirteen, Whitcoulls barely ever carried anything that I wanted to read &ndash; at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:13:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>MikeE</title>
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						Strangely enough &ndash; Real Groovy is my favorite bookshop in auckland.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:10:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I’d love to hear from publishers how they feel about it but I doubt anyone wants to tell us!</q></p><p>So would I, and the floor is open.  But to be fair, from what I've picked up nobody is that sure how to react.  It wasn't a surprise but most definitely…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:09:52 +1300</pubDate>
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						I have to agree with Emma that I'll miss Borders when it inevitably goes because it has a really excellent craft section and when I lived in Christchurch was easily the best for genre fiction. In Wellington I can supplement that with Arty Bee's, of course, and Minerva (the extremely…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:05:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						For me Unity (and when in Chch, Scorpio) are where I go when I want to buy a book, any book. For speculative purchases when I have a few $$$ burning a hole in my pocket. I can go and see my mate Toby and say "sell me a book"…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:05:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I suspect it’s both the Web and Darwinism. I’m not a bookworm, but I’ve developed a sense of literacy all the same, thanks to the Internet.</q></p><p>A little from column A, a pinch from column B and add randomness to taste?  Funny how much of life works out like that.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:55:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>I suspect it's both the Web and Darwinism. I'm not a bookworm, but I've developed a sense of literacy all the same, thanks to the Internet.</p><p>Also, I made my last stationery purchases from specialist stockists like Warehouse Stationery and Gordon Harris (both on Wellington's Victoria St).</p><p>On a related…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:49:46 +1300</pubDate>
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						My two regulars, since I moved away from Unity Books for work, are Time Out and Baci in the Rialto building.  I don’t think book shops are by any means dead, I just think that sustaining the levels of stock and large scale real-estate the mega-stores have/had is no longer…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:42:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>octopusgrrl</title>
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						I'm conflicted as well &ndash; I've used Whitcoulls online a couple of times this past year and was quite pleased with the available titles and service, but I rarely bother with their retail stores as I just find the lack of range depressing (although I admit to trawling the remainder…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:30:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>I am deeply ambivalent about this. My partner and I were in Whitcoulls once, talking to one of their staff, and afterwards I said to Karl, "You know, that guy should really be working in a bookshop."</p><p>Borders, on the other hand, has the best sci-fi selection in Christchurch. Yes,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:29:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Luke, I am your father: I never go into meatspace bookshops (or music shops) any more unless I’m killing time. (Also, I just bought some children’s books by New Zealand authors, and it was actually cheaper to get them from overseas, even with shipping. That ain’t right.)</p><p>ETA On the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:26:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Friends of mine buy books by the truckload, but prefer to use independent booksellers, and there’s also the fact that people can often buy books from Amazon and get them shipped cheaper than actually buying the same book in NZ.</q></p><p>Or The Book Depository, whose world-wide free postage has been…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:22:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I live in Auckland, and while deep discounting is nice, depth and range of stock being sold by knowledgeable and pleasant staff is better.</q></p><p>Yup. My tastes are lowbrow, but not enough, it seems. Whitcoulls drove me back to public libraries. Once that floodgate reopened, the only thing I've purchased…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:21:22 +1300</pubDate>
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