Public Address | Cafe | Muse: Indecision '11: Outrageous!

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:18:17 +1300

Hi, folks. First, once again many thanks to the awesome PAS Massive for keeping the signal-to-noise ratio pleasingly high. Just warning that I’ll be (temporarily) closing off comments on this thread from lunchtime tomorrow (Friday) until I can be arsed on Sunday morning. -Ish.

Lucy Stewart

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:46:28 +1300

Personally I would prefer a decent public broadcaster.

That shouldn't be an either/or. Just because it's not programmes you like doesn't mean it's entirely worthless. It's not like the people running it are mugging TVNZ7 for cash and then running away, laughing about how they're going to spend it all…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:53:10 +1300

Apart from all the stuff that’s new to see here you mean?

Well not much of it interests me but feel free to get suckered into an extra few bucks on your Sky bill. Personally I would prefer a decent public broadcaster.

Kumara Republic

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:36 +1300

That’s why we have PVRs, I recorded that years back.
But… that is all beside the point, why the hell is Radio New Zealand giving free advertising to SKY?

Better still, go one-up, subscribe to a VPN service and open a Netflix/Hulu account. Sky won't see a cent of my…

Kyle Matthews

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:18:19 +1300

Nothing new to see here.

Apart from all the stuff that's new to see here you mean?

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:22:31 +1300

Well that’s not fair. They’re running Game of Thrones, Hours, Killing, Mad Men, Rescue Me, Boardwalk Empire, Six Feet Under, Weeds, True Blood, Entourage at present. Some of those are NZ premiers, some others are season premiers.

Like I said, SoSo. Nothing new to see here. Far better stuff on…

Kyle Matthews

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:03:14 +1300

And in the afternoon we get Jim Mora singing the praises of Sky TV’s new channel SoSo…, a channel of “All New” repeats, mostly repeats from Prime.

Well that's not fair. They're running Game of Thrones, Hours, Killing, Mad Men, Rescue Me, Boardwalk Empire, Six Feet Under, Weeds, True Blood,…

merc

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:22:28 +1300

The deal is either you take it easy or you take it hard either way you're going to have to take it.

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:09:32 +1300

I wonder if there was a deal…
Joyce “We will let you talk to the Prime Minister as long as you push our interests.”,

you're clearly talking here about a deal between individuals, rather than something systematic.

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:03:16 +1300

Systems cause things to happen so that individual people don’t have to conspire.

Systems are created by people making deals.

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:02:29 +1300

Which theatre do you choose?

The one that offers the best deal.

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:49:55 +1300

Systems cause things to happen so that individual people don't have to conspire.

DCBCauchi

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:39:17 +1300

It's an incentive built into the structure of something.

No explicit deal need be done if you set things up in such a way that the consequences of decisions determine what decisions are made.

'You want to put on a play? Sure, go for it. This theatre here has a…

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:31:30 +1300

Can you explain, to us less than omnipotent beings, the difference between "a deal" and a "structural incentive"?. The latter just sounds like managementspeak.

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:24:46 +1300

There doesn't need to be a deal, sadly. That's what structural incentives work like.

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:21:47 +1300

For example this morning Mr Key was interviewed unusually on Morning Report. The ineptness or complicitness of the the interviewers allowed Mr Key to avoid answering any questions.

And in the afternoon we get Jim Mora singing the praises of Sky TV’s new channel SoSo…, a channel of “All New”…

merc

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:43:24 +1300

I found it chilling, and yes the undercurrents of the direct quotes were not lost on me.

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:40:51 +1300

Seems to cover every talking point

This bit is great for those who've read The Hollow Men's account of National's underhand 2005 dealings with the racing 'industry':

Racing Minister Craig Foss looked on. "For some reason, we didn't have this problem with Don Brash," he observed of the former National…

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:26:39 +1300

Oh, and sorry for derailing my own thread, but I’m not sad to see the back of Jim Anderton after he decided to have a concern-troll tantrum because he's above the law:

"They have a few things like rape and pillage going on around the country, and this is simply ridiculous…

Jackie Clark

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:07:57 +1300

Piss off. You're waiting in a long line ;)

merc

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:06:36 +1300

New high with all the best analysis, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764718
Seems to cover every talking point, from not smug to better than Winston.

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:51:28 +1300

coupe of weeks ago it openly advised Epsom voters to cast their lot in with Banks (or miss out on an extra bunch of MPs).

I presume you're talking this editorial in the Herald on Sunday – and if so, I don't think you're characterised it fairly. Back in the…

merc

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:50:55 +1300

Wonderful toys update,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10764725
And Prime Minister John Key yesterday dismissed them earlier yesterday as "rubbish".

merc

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:22:05 +1300

Quoting the PM saying that the leader of the opposition needs to have a reality check is a dead giveaway that something is very wrong in Heraldom.
Subjective versus objective, really not that hard.

Jonty

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:10:40 +1300

The Herald really should give up the pretence and change it's banner to "The Official Propaganda Sheet of the NZ National Party" — coupe of weeks ago it openly advised Epsom voters to cast their lot in with Banks (or miss out on an extra bunch of MPs). NZH's monopoly…

Steve Withers

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:05:02 +1300

The Herald's editorial strategy seems to be:

1. Ignore National's faults.
2. Magnify Labour;s faults.
3.Collapse the Green vote.

Check tomorrow's front page for the re-play.

Steve Withers

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:01:38 +1300

Cameron Brewer lived down to my expectations of him with his comments about Robyn Malcolm. I had given him the benefit of the doubt until now....but that sentiment is now fading. It's a shame he's the ONLY Auckland Councillor who got more than 50% of the vote in his ward.…

Tony Siu

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:43:10 +1300

Marry me craig

merc

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:08:56 +1300

He's more handsome but.

Ian MacKay

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:33:29 +1300

I wonder if the Steven Joyce affect is to keep trivia on the headlines so that in the smoke screen the dumb voters don't notice the lack of key Key substance. For example this morning Mr Key was interviewed unusually on Morning Report. The ineptness or complicitness of the the…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:00:34 +1300

In related news, Paul Henry is finally doing his civic duty for once. Sometimes the 'brain' drain isn't always a bad thing.

An actor criticising National is about as unsurprising as a farmer criticising Labour. There is no news value in it at all.
With any luck we’ll get the Streisand…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:58:33 +1300

You’re better than that.

I concede the smack-down, but it was slightly better than “I’d rather pop my hetero cherry with Judith Collins than shag that smirking arse-faced infant.” (Hitting SAVE DRAFT and having a cup of coffee is my friend.) Oh, well there’s always David Parker – dull but…

Grant McDougall

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:37:50 +1300

An actor criticising National is about as unsurprising as a farmer criticising Labour. There is no news value in it at all.

Gareth Davidson

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:36:49 +1300

I was thinking the same:
Free-range against the machine: pork for you, I'll stew with oxtail meat.

merc

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:09:19 +1300

I used to hang in Newmarket, and Parnell, when there was a surf shop in Teed Street. I dated there, hung out, drank, ya know, caught the train when we moved out to the ghetto ;-). My daughter did the same, more shopping though, but what those guys have done…

Martin Lindberg

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:06:42 +1300

I find it interesting to compare the reporting of this event in the Herald with the reporting by Fairfax

Somehow Fairfax managed to not see the vitriolic attack, the savaging and the broadside.

Sacha

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:06:05 +1300

when you’re on air with Paul Henry and 1) he’s not the biggest turd blossom in the studio

he really brings out people's best, doesn't he

3410

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:04:50 +1300

Silent T

You're better than that.

Sacha

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:04:47 +1300

Somehow I doubted you'd be one of those who voted him into political candidacy and Council. :)

merc

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:02:38 +1300

No, not this one, ever, and those whom I know who have heard of him, they are very few, say in a small voice a word that is not very nice.
The fact that he got airtime is what interests me most, see other thread for – How did he…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:59:34 +1300

NZH:“long-time Green Party supporter throws out organic free-rage red meat to party faithful at campaign launch”

Sounds like that moment in TV's Sledge Hammer! where said title character uses the epithet, "yoghurt-eating creeps!"

Russell Brown

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:59:22 +1300

Isn’t Brewer just accurately representing the views of his eastie constituents?

Possibly. But it's more about getting himself in the Herald at least once a week.

These days he doesn't have to put out one of his press releases: he just blurts something on Twitter.

Sacha

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:53:43 +1300

Isn't Brewer just accurately representing the views of his eastie constituents?

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:52:54 +1300

Please, please tell me that this was deliberate, and not just a typo,

I could, but I’d be lying. Oh, wait… this is policy. I am the love child of Oscar Wilde and Dorothy Parker! Bow before my punny bone! Yadda yadda…

I loved the fact that a lot of…

Russell Brown

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:46:30 +1300

And then Cameron Brewer… Yet another unpleasant personality in the too-long roster of contemporary vileness. Looking around the near abandoned shopping precinct in Newmarket shows how effective he was as a paid spruiker.

It would be fair to say that Brewer is and has always been a spruiker for himself.

David Herkt

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:12:11 +1300

I found the whole thing quite fascinating. You've covered most of the points. I was really interested in the knee-jerk and idiotic underbelly of Aotearoa/New Zealand that it exposed. Robyn Malcolm delivered a number of cogent points and I'd easily nominate her for the best sound-bytes of the election thus…

Deborah

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:45:18 +1300

organic free-rage red meat

Please, please tell me that this was deliberate, and not just a typo, because I loves it. ’Though possibly I love it even more if it is a (revealing) typo.

And because I just can’t summon your wonderful use of … ahem… colourful language, I shall…

Public Address

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:45:18 +1300

Discussion from blog post.