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				<title>Isaac Freeman</title>
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						<p><q>3. No two democracies have ever warred with each other</q></p><p>This is true, in the same sense that no irresistible force has ever met an immovable object.</p>
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				<title>JohnAmiria</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/14/AR2008101403331.html?hpid=topnews" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">from today's Washington Post</a></p><blockquote><p>The Bush administration issued a pair of secret memos to the CIA in 2003 and 2004 that explicitly endorsed the agency's use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding against al-Qaeda suspects &mdash; documents prompted by worries among intelligence officials about a possible backlash if details of…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p>TroyHoward suggests:</p><blockquote><p>During the election all candidates have to be dropped down a stairwell to determine density.</p></blockquote><p>I'm afraid it'd be almost impossible to allow for the differences in mass.</p><p>For instance those merely full of hot air would fall at a slower rate than those full of s**t. Then…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Or to put it differently... Yes Tussock , I agree.
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Terrorism is the greatest threat facing the democratic world.<br />We've been invited to their country, and it's tor their own good.</p></blockquote><p>Bullshit , crap, f*ck off. Now give me your oil. Just had to get that off my chest... why? because I can :-)</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>Terrorism is the greatest threat facing the democratic world.</p><p>We've been invited to their country, and it's tor their own good.</p><p>Gangs are a growing threat to society.</p><p>P is the most dangerous thing you could get into.</p><p>The gays will ruin marriage, with all their butt-secs.</p><p>Kids these days,…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's actually SQRT(k.m/S) where k is a factor of g, air density, Cd, etc.</p></blockquote><p>You, sir, are, in my correct opinion, a charlatan. I challenge you to a plummet.<br />As long as I can have a parachute of which has an area not less than the square of my mass…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sept 2008 22:56:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wouldn't it be cool if we could get an old passenger liner, The QE2, or sum such Icon into space. It could orbit the moon, as an amateur astronomers attraction.</p></blockquote><p>Traditionally it is a teapot in orbit around Mars...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sept 2008 20:21:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						It's actually SQRT(k.m/S) where k is a factor of g, air density, Cd, etc.
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				<title>Laura McCaffery</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In any event, this little factoid (hey – I used it right!)</p></blockquote><p>THIS!! Far too many people seem to be under the impression that a factoid is a small fact...</p><p>-oid ≠ small! I kind of wish it was, though. Just think of the possibilities, dwarves would be androids! :D</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						M/S squared=tV where Tv is terminal velocity in metres per second ;-)
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Ok, derive the equation for an object of mass M and cross-section S falling in air at nominal density. Using only common sense.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You must have thought I was a total idiot :-)</p></blockquote><p>Not at all Graeme, Twas my brain that were fuddled by this new fangled daylight saving thingy, I still don't know whether i'm early or late.<br />Anyroad, It seems that financiers fall at the same rate as their portfolios, most…</p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p>So, one that is blue (but not in a cussin' way):</p><p>The sky is blue because it is reflecting the sea...</p><p>wiki o doom says<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_sky_radiation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"The sunlit sky appears blue because air scatters short-wavelength light more than longer wavelengths."</a></p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>During the election all candidates have to be dropped down a stairwell to determine density.</p></blockquote><p>If we're showing they're less dense than the Media they're floating in, that won't tell you much.</p><p>BTW I had it explained to me that what Galileo should have done was taken a cannonball and a…</p>
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				<title>TroyHoward</title>
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						<p>Can anyone try dropping our politicians down a stairwell?  (Hmm, I just noticed something &ndash; there are a lot of 'i's in politician)</p><p>Anyway... back to the dropping thing.</p><p>During the election all candidates have to be dropped down a stairwell to determine density.</p><p>After all we don't want overly…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Gravity <em>does</em> affect the heavier object more, but so does inertia, both in proportion to the mass of the object, so that <em>acceleration due to gravity</em> stays the same.</p></blockquote><p>Fair enough. I could’ve worded my sentence better, but the net effect is what matters, for the purposes of the point…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does poor weather on election day favor the National Party?</p></blockquote><p>I think the myth is that it is bad for the incumbent</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But doesn't the objects weight need to be heavier than air?</p></blockquote><p>Denser. Not heavier. But yes.</p><blockquote><p>And yes, as it happens, I did just check this out myself yesterday, while tinkering around in the backyard.</p></blockquote><p>You own a tank? Cool!</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p>Hunh?<br />Ships don't sink gracefully in a vacuum.</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						The war *in * Lebanon in 2006 was not between the democracies of Israel and Lebanon, it was between Israel and Hizbullah, which is not a democracy. The state of Lebanon was not involved, even though it's nominal territory was invaded. The Lebanese National Army, the armed forces of the…
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				<title>Tim McKenzie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Many people have a common sense notion that heavy objects tend to fall faster than lighter ones because gravity affects the heavier object more.</p></blockquote><p>Gravity <em>does</em> affect the heavier object more, but so does inertia, both in proportion to the mass of the object, so that <em>acceleration due to gravity</em>…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>1. Heavy objects and light objects fall at the same rate in a vacuum.<br />It helps to complete sentences sometimes ;-)</p></blockquote><p>Quite. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for heavier and lighter objects. And considering the point of using this example of the limits of ‘common sense’ is…</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>Danyl</p><p>It certainly didn't in 1984. Pissed down most of the country, most of the day. </p><p>It may have done, once upon a time, when cars were less common. Even then I have my doubts.</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>if someone can up up a blue one, I'll be a happy man</p></blockquote><p>Does poor weather on election day favor the National Party?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Didn't they do this one on the Daily Show or something last week? [update: yeah, John Stewart discussed this with Tony Blair].</p></blockquote><p>Which would be how the conversation arose :-)</p>
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						<blockquote><p>1. Heavy objects and light objects fall at the same rate</p></blockquote><p>I don't know about this one. I mean, it's clearly untrue as it stands. but is there seriously anyone who thinks that, say, a duvet and a block of cheese weighing the same amount would, on a windy day,…</p>
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				<title>richard</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.teachersdomain.org/resource/phy03.sci.phys.mfw.galmoon/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here</a> is a cleaner video of the Falcon / feather experiment performed by the Apollo 15 crew, if anyone is interested. </p><p>Still looking for pedantry points, the War of 1812 between Britain and the US would seem to be  a fairly clear-cut example of two democracies at war with one…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh, right, things that AREN'T true.</p></blockquote><p>You must have thought I was a <em>total</em> idiot :-)</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Oh, right, things that AREN'T true.<br />How about; <br />"The free market will regulate itself"<br />Yeah, right. The invisible hand slips on a latex glove and ..............</p><p>"Socialism has never worked"   <br />because it doesn't fit in with <br />"greed is good" <br />and we have the power to ensure it doesn't work.</p><p>And…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>1. Heavy objects and light objects fall at the same rate  in a vacuum.<br />It helps to complete sentences sometimes ;-)</p><p>2. Labour won the last election because of a fantastic get-out-the-vote drive in South Auckland and the fact that people suddenly remembered what National was like.</p><p>3. No two…</p>
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						That USA has never been invaded by a country that has McDonalds...
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				<title>trevor</title>
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						<p>Dropping things.<br />Air resistance IS a factor.</p><p>Try dropping a feather inside a glass (tall to reduce eddy currents.)<br />IF the feather falls slower than the glass it will come off the bottom of the glass. Does it? Try it.</p><p>You don't need to go to the moon!!!</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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