Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: The law to make it easier for airports to sell your stuff https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=366138#post366138 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=366138#post366138 I/S lets us know that Dr Geddis' OIA request has been answered with "no-one has ever mentioned it" :)

The meat is in the PDF from the FYI link above.

]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:51:04 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365638#post365638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365638#post365638 Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:40:00 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365635#post365635 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365635#post365635 I/S answers that question pretty clearly:
Its another National spam bill, containing a trivial provision presumably plucked from the Statutes Amendment Bill pile, designed purely to fill a ballot slot and prevent something more substantive from being drawn. Another example of how National abuses the Parliamentary process to undermine…

]]> Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:14:33 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365625#post365625 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365625#post365625 So... Matt Doocey's "Companies (Annual Report Notice Requirements) Amendment Bill" was drawn from the ballot yesterday. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/proposed-members-bills/document/51HOOOCBallot201608251/members-bills-ballot-for-thursday-25-august-2016

Any thoughts?

To the best of my limited ability when comparing with the Companies Act, it seems to adjust the Companies Act so that when a Board sends an Annual Report to all…

]]> Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:31:50 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365482#post365482 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365482#post365482 Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:00:36 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365477#post365477 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365477#post365477 Bryce Edwards tells us about the smoke not the fire in “Exhibit 2” as he calls it.

link?

]]> Mon, 22 Aug 2016 20:43:13 +1200 Ben Austin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365474#post365474 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365474#post365474 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:58:15 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365416#post365416 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365416#post365416 Bryce Edwards tells us about the smoke not the fire in “Exhibit 2” as he calls it.
Grant Robertson vs the Chief Statistician
So someone just decided to include 10000 soldiers in the employment list? And changed classifications for self-employed just because?
The statisticians fucked up on this, not the…

]]> Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:53:17 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365413#post365413 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365413#post365413 Vernon Small ( Dominion Post Thu 18 Aug)
on line now: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/83255200/korakos-inconsequential-lost-property-bill-reveals-dark-side-of-govt-tactic

Round-up of comment from The Herald here...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11697313
including Toby Manhire's excellent take on it...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11696744

]]> Sat, 20 Aug 2016 10:14:09 +1200 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365410#post365410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365410#post365410 Gerry Brownlee attempted to immediately progress this Bill to its Third Reading, which Winston Peters blocked for whatever reason.

Legislation shouldn't pass with no debate is a pretty good reason, I'd have thought.

Does this happen immediately, or does ballot-stuffing like this still delay any further Bills from being introduced…

]]> Sat, 20 Aug 2016 01:17:23 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365403#post365403 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365403#post365403 is simply to reduce the mathematical possibility of non-government members bills from being randomly selected

Gerry Brownlee attempted to immediately progress this Bill to its Third Reading, which Winston Peters blocked for whatever reason.

This might have just been a damage control attempt by Brownlee, given the media coverage, whatever…

]]> Fri, 19 Aug 2016 19:27:17 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365375#post365375 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365375#post365375 reduce the mathematical possibility
its all fine until one day the odds dont work in your favour.
But, in this post-9/11 world, shouldn’t all lost property at airports just be destroyed by the bomb squad?
And anyone who questions the incumbent authorities will be shoot at dawn.
So how many…

]]> Fri, 19 Aug 2016 06:50:44 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365373#post365373 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365373#post365373 Dominion Post Thu 18 Aug), giving hat tips to A. Geddis and G. Edgeler, also noted this bill as a symptom of National stuffing the member’s bill ballot. ]]> Fri, 19 Aug 2016 01:49:02 +1200 FletcherB https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365372#post365372 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365372#post365372 I would love to know how this random topic was picked out of a hat

The selection is genuinely random (I've been lead to believe?)... the main criteria for being pulled out, is to have first been put in...

As was pointed out by an earlier poster... one possible explanation…

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:33:21 +1200 Ben Austin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365370#post365370 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365370#post365370 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:18:26 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365365#post365365 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365365#post365365 Surely Cosgrove's luggage would have been the Airline's problem not the Airport's – and did he not take out travel insurance?

I've just watched his answer from Tuesday. https://youtu.be/82R3LpSXwoo?t=2m30s

In his answer Nuk Korako claimed that it was "found by the relevant airport authorities". Even if he actually meant "airport…

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:39:36 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365362#post365362 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365362#post365362 Well, zero is a number…

Is it? Or is it the absence of a number? The Rt Hon Bridges must clarify immediately!

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:16:19 +1200 Tim Darlington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365361#post365361 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365361#post365361 Simon Bridges is on the record as saying that “a number of locals” talked to (Mr Korako) about the issue.

Well, zero is a number...

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:09:44 +1200 Matthew Hooton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365360#post365360 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365360#post365360 Does the process actually require Nuk Korako to have even read the Bill with his name on the top?

No. Even in this case, when it is only four clauses.

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:01:46 +1200 Matthew Hooton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365359#post365359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365359#post365359 “a number of locals” talked to (Mr Korako) about the issue.

Presumably people running airports on the Port Hills.

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:58:30 +1200 Matthew Hooton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365358#post365358 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365358#post365358 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:54:11 +1200 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365356#post365356 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365356#post365356 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:18:21 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365355#post365355 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365355#post365355 Korako's example seems ill-thought out.

Claire Trevett's apparent fuzziness with detail can't be helping. For example, how did Cosgrove manage a "ministerial trip" in 2010 when he'd been an opposition MP since 2008?

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:02:56 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365354#post365354 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365354#post365354 Korako stood undaunted in the face of Labour's derision. He pulled out Maori proverbs, noting his bill was "he iti, he pounamu" – [very small, but quality].
He spoke about a victim of lost luggage. That victim was Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove who lost his luggage on a ministerial trip…

]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:52:17 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365350#post365350 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365350#post365350 Simon Bridges is on the record as saying that “a number of locals” talked to (Mr Korako) about the issue. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/310799/mp-bagged-over-lost-luggage-bill

As an elected Member of Parliament whose integrity is clearly assured by the position he holds, we’re obliged to take him at his word…….. that “a number of locals”…

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 23:45:54 +1200 Ben Austin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365347#post365347 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365347#post365347 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:10:46 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365338#post365338 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365338#post365338 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:38:07 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365337#post365337 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365337#post365337 It seems odd that somebody would go to the trouble of embarking on a political career and then turn it into being a bit of a general joke

When candidate selection is largely controlled by a committee operated by the party elite (pdf: page 36 onwards), a cynic might see…

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:21 +1200 Stephen Adams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365335#post365335 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365335#post365335 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:00:39 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365334#post365334 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365334#post365334 embarking on a political career and then turn it into being a bit of a general joke Not that odd, cf. Jo(hn)Key The Clown Minister. ]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:37:25 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365333#post365333 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365333#post365333 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:24:15 +1200 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365325#post365325 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365325#post365325 To get to neutral, it has to have enough positive points to outweigh the time and money required to pass a bill.

Depends what the alternative is. There are a bunch of other much worse bills submitted to the ballot. Ranked from best possible new laws to worst possible new…

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:12:29 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365324#post365324 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365324#post365324 It does meet the most important test for a piece of legislation:

First, do no harm.

This doesn't take into account the number of people that bashed their heads into something solid when reading about it.

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:06:02 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365322#post365322 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365322#post365322 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:31:09 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365320#post365320 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365320#post365320 It does meet the most important test for a piece of legislation: First, do no harm.

No it doesn't. It has already caused harm just by being drawn, and causing the media and politicians to spend time talking about it. Everything starts with -100 points. To get to neutral, it…

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:06:28 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365319#post365319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365319#post365319 Does the process actually require Nuk Korako to have even read the Bill with his name on the top? Or could the government's strategists simply have authored and stuffed it with his name on it, then given him a hasty 2 line summary when it was drawn?

Based on his…

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:54:14 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365318#post365318 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365318#post365318 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:35:09 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365314#post365314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365314#post365314 Bidding, a due...
The only result I can see is that the market might be flooded with cheaply auctioned-off Swiss Army knives* and Leatherman© tools and other heirloom knives, confiscated at embarkation? (or are those Airline responsibilities, too?)
...and possibly a Nuk Korako 'auction figure' toy!

The Nats would do…

]]> Wed, 17 Aug 2016 06:34:45 +1200 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365306#post365306 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365306#post365306 you forgot to add the part about how you think this is a highly necessary Bill and that its robust debate is well worth the allocation of Parliament’s limited resources

It does meet the most important test for a piece of legislation:

First, do no harm.

]]> Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:50:32 +1200 Tristan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365305#post365305 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365305#post365305 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:37:12 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365304#post365304 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365304#post365304 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:17:42 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365303#post365303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-the-law-to-make-it-easier-for/?p=365303#post365303 Discussion from blog post.

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