Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: Terrorism is already illegal

Marc C

Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:38:22 +1300

This is the kind of online stuff that Finlayson and Key will consider to get you close to the “sympathiser” ranks, if you dare watching it, for whatever purpose. It is there, it is worrying, and not palatable, but is it “illegal”, or so?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZYK9N1IP5Q

While posting this, I WARN…

Marc C

Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:41:50 +1300

The most prominent “terrorist” I can recommend, if that, we do NOT want to go down that “islamist” angle do we:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_g23qi9hg

Enjoy, if you can, or are allowed to, that excludes all public servants we have, no freedom allowed no more.

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:06:48 +1300

Personally I think it’s devolving into a mutant offspring of Orwell and Huxley’s Brave New World.

Yes that's it, and here in NZ the powers that be just cant help themselves. Key said it way back. I remember him standing with Bennett on some podium telling the Country how "much…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:52:01 +1300

I fear that Snowden, Greenwald and Assange have been "neutralised" by the forces that be, and we are now in irreversible Orwellian territory, where we have to expect the state agencies to listen in, observe, seize and store all our information, as the Australian government is about to do now.…

Marc C

Mon, 27 Oct 2014 18:07:11 +1300

Mentally disturbed according to some:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-27/ottawa-shooter-was-mentally-ill-not-a-terrorist-mother-says/5842888

But not so sure in others' eyes:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/previous-assessment-described-ottawa-shooter-as-deeply-troubled-but-not-mentally-ill/article21277933/

But surely, crack cocaine addiction is a form of mental illness, is it not?

Sacha

Mon, 27 Oct 2014 07:42:36 +1300

mentally disturbed

evidence?

Marc C

Mon, 27 Oct 2014 01:04:24 +1300

Again, I come across this:

"The Covert Origins of Isis", a revealing report, and sadly it is not uplifting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

It is from a US person, obviously, so there is dissent and disagreement in the US, and we must not simply accept NZ and US government advice or "instruction" to…

Marc C

Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:38:46 +1300

I would agree, that to a fair degree, what is described as "terrorism", is mostly declared illegal in most developed countries, and that may well include ISIS. But apart from that, while we know what terror they inflict, and what they stand for, I am still also extremely concerned about…

mark taslov

Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:06:15 +1300

Earlier this morning the Herald played the hand first with their ongoing Terror in Canada: Gunman opens fire in Ottawa parliament, so I skipped over to Stuff where the leading headline made no use of the word terror or conjugations. A few minutes later Stuff had replaced that lead story with…

Marc C

Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:58:28 +1300

ISIS financed for years by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and so forth, and we have Jon Key tell us we must fight "terrorism"?? Maybe he and Obama should talk to the governments of countries just mentioned? What a fucking joke this country is, to tow the line and deliver whatever…

mark taslov

Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:47:50 +1300

Most clearly the west has lost the war against terror

Aren’t the west fighting to enhance terror, and making a real go of it?

Marc C

Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:28:34 +1300

Most clearly the west has lost the war against terror, on many basis, it is shocking, but true, but so many live in damned lala land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFZhQ4u2Cbg

mark taslov

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:45:09 +1300

What makes you think NZ cows are “holy’ and thus protected from greed? You live in a world on another planet, I fear.

I live in China, greed being what it is, why would anyone send an army when they can buy the farm for cheaper and still sell the…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:38:37 +1300

You are a "dreamer", these isles are "fertile" grass lands, full of big cows and sheep, that deliver "FOOD" and so, and much of the world, not just spoiled middle class young Chinese bratts, are keen on it. So perhaps realise, you are not isolated, no place on earth is…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:28:44 +1300

I am telling you ALL again, all this "fighting" from ISIS, Al Nusra and more is coming from well funded donors in Saudi Arabia, from some gulf states, also Qatar, the so "accepted" reporters from Al Jazeera are based there.

This is what we have, Russia Today also reporting on…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:21:56 +1300

The loyal "brothers' and "sisters" from our US allies are surely looking like "winners", I suppose, spying, surveilling, all that "air power", and the satellites, that they have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7NmXE52gm0

Looks like a damned "shit" situation to be honest, and it is much worse now. Only a formidable, well disciplined, organised,…

mark taslov

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:06:53 +1300

Perhaps I could change that to Ireland? =). I guess we could be a stepping stone to Antarctica or Australia, for armies that have lost their way.

Iceland is however the only NATO member which maintains no standing army,

But yeah, those Germans, ever the threat…

Chris Waugh

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:04:29 +1300

We’re about as strategic a target as Iceland

Holy shit! Really? I was hoping that in March I'd be back on nicely isolated islands, not smack in the middle of strategically highly valuable ocean.

mark taslov

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:59:24 +1300

We NEED a defence force, similar to the Swiss, to have at least half a million ready to fight, armed and to take it to the hills if need be, or we will be sold and lost, under commercial and not so commercial sell out agreements.

Yes! New Zealand spends…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:42:39 +1300

The problem we have with "usama bin Key" is simply, he has NO fighters. He is full of farted air and relying on Obama and his "fighters" to do the ground and air work, there and elsewhere. NZ is sadly a laughing stock, when it comes to defence of any…

mark taslov

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:27:20 +1300

Problem is, people are now generally so “shallow” and self-centred

I totally agree Marc, as people we chain ourselves to our lifestyles, our reputations our securities and insecurities, our obsessive perceptions of an individual, struggling alone, or in tiny units, we are passive and too easily cowed, yet we know…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:09:03 +1300

YOU nailed it re the UN, for sure. I have thought all along, this is nothing but another advertorial kind of "selling" agenda for John the Holy or Less Holy Key. Another notch under the belt, so to say, for NO effort of his own. It was due to the…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:57:51 +1300

Problem is, people are now generally so "shallow" and self-centred, yes self serving, they have no patience or understanding that bus drivers may want to strike, so they are force to pay a taxi fare. It is the tip of the nose perspective view that is the problem, besides of…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:54:32 +1300

LOVE YOUR REPLY!

mark taslov

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:48:41 +1300

but New Zealanders are in their majority, at least these days, what they call “good Germans”, is it not so?

Sorry if I was unclear, looking specifically at Hong Kong’s protesters, as I was and which we can agree would be a more than satisfactory starting point for New Zealanders,…

Sofie Bribiesca

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:35:54 +1300

Shut up, go and do your job, fulfill your “duty”, pay your taxes, stay out of trouble, in short, do not ask any “silly” or ’unwanted” questions, and “get on with it”. Things need to “move”, and hurdles and “trouble makers” must be “removed”

The Borg

__Resistence is futile! You…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:02:36 +1300

mark, "hard working" I have been in many jobs, "hard working' is what the vast majority of the slaving, desperate and disentitled workers do all over the planet every day, some up to 20 hours a dy. The label or "honour" "hard working" can be interpreted in different ways, either…

mark taslov

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:15:31 +1300

will Key’s delegate at the UN Security Council dare raise a voice against Mainland China, when the protesters in Hong Kong get told to go home and shut up, or worse?

That’s highly unlikely. By making themselves enemies of hardworking Hong Kong citizens, protesters have played into the Mainland’s hands.…

Marc C

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:29:29 +1300

Wow, New Zealand has won the vote, got the nod, to be a member on the UN Security Council now. John Key will be wrapped, another "deal" well brokered and done. So this has come in now, and it now gives him free hand to sign up with the US…

Kyle Matthews

Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:03:25 +1300

Shame we cant say the same thing to TeamKey. “Just a regular meeting"… my arse. As Phil Goff puts it, “Political spin”. More lies from the Emperor.

I might have found myself yelling at him on the TV last night.

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:04:19 +1300

Nevermind the fibs, look at the new threads he’s wearing, ohhh… he isn’t…

Yes, it's rags to riches donchaknow? Gin an' juice, or Sleepy hollow, either way , it's all downhill from here.

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:43:45 +1300

Not saying we are at the point that
this UK trial is at, yet, but this is where we could end up soon. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Nice to see the Herald bothered to mention it.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:26:49 +1300

More lies from the Emperor.
Nevermind the fibs, look at the new threads he's wearing,
ohhh... he isn't...

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:17:15 +1300

It would seem quite relevant to refer to the letter of the law

Shame we cant say the same thing to TeamKey. "Just a regular meeting"... my arse. As Phil Goff puts it, "Political spin". More lies from the Emperor.

Kyle Matthews

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:59:05 +1300

Without referring back to the letter of the law, who defines what a terrorist organisation is?

It would seem quite relevant to refer to the letter of the law in a discussion about terrorist laws.

mark taslov

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:49:20 +1300

These are strange days Ian, harking back to Steve's WWI post above, those bikers remind me of the legendary enthusiasm for warring a century ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z7owNBd7W8

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:12:03 +1300

on yer bike...
Dutch Bikers take on IS...

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:40:44 +1300

...a gunman, a terrorist, or a patriot?
I don't see 'disturbed individual' on that list?

Kumara Republic

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:05:30 +1300

Without referring back to the letter of the law, who defines what a terrorist organisation is? What about 'state sponsored terrorism'? Does that count? Is that also defined – or is there a neat exclusion clause for nation states?

And I have something to ask 'Natman': is Anders Behring Breivik…

Keno

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:57:41 +1300

What bellicose nonsense! So last century. Please go back to looking at /reading your war comics.

mark taslov

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:19:39 +1300

I was pleased David Parker brought these kinds of issues to light in the NZMSM Mike, Graeme said:

While New Zealand has not designated Islamic State (or ISIS or ISIL) as a terrorist entity, this is because it doesn’t need to.

From Wikipedia here is a selected list of designated…

Mike O'Connell

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:34:21 +1300

...and if I say went to Lebanon to fight for Hezbollah to stop ISIS infiltrating the border (as they already have done), does that make me a terrorist? Who would be the greater terror threat here say? There are so many intricacies in this nest of Middle East vipers: Shia…

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:39:10 +1300

pre-trolling
Fur Pre-troll is probably available as a band name...

running with that idea and
for the more literary minded
how about Firpo Troll?
as the Golden Weather is ending...

;- )

Sam F

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:08:15 +1300

It popped up within my edit window, I thought a post like that deserved some fanfare, in the interests of continuity. but no, I could only dream of producing copy like Natman’s, so I appreciate the deliberation. =)

Wow, okay, how about that? Thought you were pre-trolling the thread to…

mark taslov

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:45:55 +1300

Sam F

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:44:44 +1300

Well, given the crazy tone of your message I thought you were actually taking the piss out of the viewpoint you expressed. And I’m still not sure

Erm. I can't have been the only one who saw this in mark taslov's post on the first page, right before Natman started…

mark taslov

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:52:58 +1300

Mr Key said New Zealand’s national threat level had now been increased by officials from Very Low to Low, ‘’which means that where previously the threat of a terrorist attack was assessed as unlikely, it is now assessed as possible but not expected’’.

John Key launches week long intensive campaign talking…

Steve Curtis

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:13 +1300

Just reading a history of WW1 in the first few months. Mindless barbarity from mostly the ( invading) German side against French and Belgian civilians.
You could be thinking it was ISIS in Iraq and not the Germany of Goethe and Brahms. While some instances were exaggerated for propaganda purposes.…

Craig Marshall

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:00:21 +1300

I love the idea of gorilla war in the Ureweras

Kumara Republic

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:30:31 +1300

If I go to Syria to fight for the Assad regime, and kill ISIS fighters, am I a terrorist?

Who here saw Matthew VanDyke's "Point and Shoot" at the NZFF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irtm_c1UNcY

simon g

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:28:54 +1300

If I go to Syria to fight for the Assad regime, and kill ISIS fighters, am I a terrorist?

Andrew Geddis

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:08:33 +1300

Guarding an ammunition dump enhances the ability of ISIS to carry out terrorist acts.

But was that the PURPOSE that the NZer had when carrying out the action? Because section 13 isn't entirely clear:

(1) Is it an objective test (if you participate with the purpose of doing anything that…

Keir Leslie

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:39:48 +1300

Does't the use of "1 or more" suggest that specific terrorist acts must be made out? Or is that a red herring?

Russell Brown

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:25:44 +1300

Thanks for the post, Graeme. Very informative. Shame the comments thread is a bit … strange.

Hmmm, yes. I won't delete anything, but I would encourage everyone to try and keep their commentary relevant to Graeme's original post.

Keith Locke

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:25:43 +1300

Not sure I entirely agree with your legal points, Graeme.
For example, according to the Terrorism Suppression Act fighting in a war, by itself, is specifically excluded from being a a terrorist act. 5 (4) of the TS Act says "an act does not fall with subsection (2) [subsection (2)…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:02:58 +1300

Let’s then imagine some young New Zealander who goes over to Iraq/Syria, goes through an ISIS training camp, lugs an AK47 around the countryside, guards an ammunition dump, shoots at a bunch of Kurdish forces (not civilians) and then gets sick of it all and heads back to NZ.

Guarding…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:02:00 +1300

actually did refer to the “some people say the Terrorism Suppression Act is enough” line. He wrote it off as saying “that’s not our reading of it”.

Well, he can't have been talking about me. I never said that the Terrorism Suppression Act was enough. I took issue with his…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:33:28 +1300

might as well have had his script of questions provided by the PM’s office, except that I know he doesn’t need that to produce this type of interview.

I heard a long time back that TeamKey has the questions preapproved before he will agree to going on. That is how…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:19:00 +1300

So the new measures could be a back door way of circumventing that.Just speculating.

Well, sounds right. I speculate with your speculation that Team Key modus operandi will kick in. A bunch of laws will be drafted and then Team Key announces they will just tweak the old law and…

Grassed Up

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:18:58 +1300

A New Zealander who fights for ISIS commits a serious crime against New Zealand law. They can already be arrested, they can be charged, and depending on exactly what they did while a member of ISIS, can potentially be imprisoned for life.

I'm not sure this is right (or, rather,…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:55:46 +1300

That was satire, right?

the Mongrel Mob and Black Power would be mobilised in a gorilla warfare action against them. The Urewera people could also even have a role to play.

Ha! “Oi you arseholes, get over here and help us. Our blue uniforms aren’t working.
Oh ok, informants only…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:49:45 +1300

Mind you, I do have to wonder if it isn’t just an excellent smoke screen, a way of diverting attention away from a government

Flag? I don't watch anything in the Herald with video footage of Key (I like to hold my coffee down) but at a glance today in…

izogi

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:40:09 +1300

I've just watched the PM interviewed on TVNZ's Breakfast. Rawdon Christie might as well have had his script of questions provided by the PM's office, except that I know he doesn't need that to produce this type of interview.

Anyway, John Key (after saying __"all those academics haven't seen the…

simon g

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:09:08 +1300

Thanks for the post, Graeme. Very informative. Shame the comments thread is a bit ... strange.

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:17:07 +1300

Well, apoligies, if the above still show, they did not for a while, hence my comment. So let us be transparent and open, and discuss all this on value, as that is needed, we will not win by censorship or hate driven agendas of a Key government. Best wishes and…

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:14:27 +1300

So I am finally allowed to register and comment again, after about 3 last comments with links to truthful info on islamist videos have been censored and wiped? Do you guys here get it? You are telling me and others, that you are part of the US censorshp agenda, so…

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:05:11 +1300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFZhQ4u2Cbg

More of the same, I fear some posted before is not published, because NZers are not supposed to learn the whole truth, regrettable that is.

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:06:16 +1300

ISIS and Taleban and so forth, are a product of a totally failed US "investment" into certain groups and a totally failed middle east policy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

It would be INSANE for stupid PM Key and this government to get involved, it is a screwed up situation, likely to lead to…

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:31:28 +1300

I would like to add the hypocrisy of certain "Arab" nations we have "friendly" relationships with, some of whom, or their citizens, FUND this horrible stuff going on in Syria, and Iraq, and in Libya now, and more places to come.

How would I feel in the skin of a…

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:28:29 +1300

This is more of the shit going on, this cannot be a "left" against "right" issue, this is about human rights, decency, freedom and more, and we are facing a damned formidable challenge. The problem is the hypocrisy and corruptedness of many of our "western" governments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptR1527vA1I

Marc C

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:23:12 +1300

Islam, I wonder, and I am still asking myself many questions, and I dislike Key, but again, he may have something to "work" with, convincing the population:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXMsA4gNmjc

This is rather serious, and may not play out as we like it to.

BenWilson

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:02:42 +1300

Satire?

Well, given the crazy tone of your message I thought you were actually taking the piss out of the viewpoint you expressed. And I'm still not sure because:

Drone strikes, targeted bombings and surgical strikes by our SAS are needed. IS need to be given the message that if…

Marc C

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:16:39 +1300

I have been wondering, what stand has Key taken re the amputations of limbs of alleged, sentenced "thiefs" in some Arabian countries, under governments we have "agreements" with, what about "organ harvesting", forced prison labour, and dissidents "disappearing" or being killed or maimed by hit squads in countries, ruled by…

Dismal Soyanz

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:15:58 +1300

Could it be that Key intends reducing the extent to which the judiciary would require proof of the acts? Doesn't the Crown currently need to prove a terrorist act beyond reasonable doubt? That information may not be easily had or perhaps the only information is circumstantial and/or derived from information…

Marc C

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:08:33 +1300

And the message is? I suppose: "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer", then?

Marc C

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:05:36 +1300

Of course Key has to up the ante on all this, as painting the threat of terrorism, or war, is the best "insurance policy" any government can sign. It is the best distraction from what should matter for people locally. Talking about be-headings, about subversive activities, about men with beards…

Natman

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:48:58 +1300

Satire?
You people just don't get it. The left has just been annihilated in an election and you just keep rubbishing one of the most popular PM's in NZ history.
National has a mandate to do whatever protects our national security.
The terror threat is up, and you whingers will…

Ben Austin

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:30:33 +1300

Nah, I think it was a coded message that National plans to renew the auld alliance with the gangs, Rob's Mob is back

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:39:40 +1300

an excellent smoke screen, a way of diverting attention away from a government with a lot to hide, and it could just blow over...
They haven't played their 'if you are questioning the Government,you must be supporting the terrorists' card yet... have they?
Every Deck (Cheney clone) has one...

BenWilson

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +1300

Mind you, I do have to wonder if it isn't just an excellent smoke screen, a way of diverting attention away from a government with a lot to hide, and it could just blow over, and we never send any troops, having fought hard to make sure that it doesn't…

Sacha

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:14:54 +1300

endless US diplomatic pressure

that sound is sucking, not blowing

BenWilson

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:08:22 +1300

It was pretty obvious you meant that. First day that is actually practical, so yes, not in the middle of the maiden speeches. Then the first openly public official moves will be made, although of course it's highly likely that moves have already begun. How likely is it that Key…

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:34:04 +1300

Actually not.
Yeah, I kinda knew that,
but it is his signalled intent
to use urgency, again,
as in the past...

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:21:57 +1300

First day back in the office and National are trying to push through ill-conceived legislation or alterations, under urgency...

First. Bloody. Day!

Actually not. Tomorrow is merely the first cabinet. Which, if/when it agrees with Key, will announce terms of reference to an inquiry into whether urgent legislation is needed.…

mark taslov

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:15:10 +1300

Which officials, I wonder. He is, after all, an official.

Oh you know the ones; those “officials” whose regular advice is so embarrassingly flawed that to publicly name them would bring ridicule to their families for generations. They are very odd and slightly real.

BenWilson

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:01:17 +1300

That was satire, right?

BenWilson

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:00:24 +1300

Which officials, I wonder. He is, after all, an official.

As for his ridiculous point that we're not in control of our foreign policy because we don't want to invite disaster on our own heads, perhaps he could have made that a few weeks ago when he was seeking his…

Natman

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:50:39 +1300

You lefties would have us eating mung-beans, hugging trees and harboring terrorists.
Just because Mr Key may seem to be "enhancing" powers that are already there, does not mean to say the current laws are erroneous. More power to him I say. I'd like to see those terrorists try anything…

mark taslov

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:46:57 +1300

Key’s war imperitive experiences a shift in adverb intensity from:
"It would be very odd…"
to
"the slightly odd thing…"

If that’s not a mandate worth putting your life on the line for then what is? To me it sounds more like an observation one would make about the Cuntly’s…

BenWilson

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:33:16 +1300

Is it really lying if you don't even know what the truth is, and just make shit up about it, the way Key does on a daily basis?

Paul Campbell

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:11:41 +1300

It's kind of worse than "Key lies" – more like PM doesn't understand the laws he's supposed to be using to run the country. His crime if any is (possibly willful) ignorance

Lilith __

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:58:06 +1300

This is really scary. We don't even know what freedoms we're about to lose in this make-believe.

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:40:09 +1300

business as usual
First day back in the office and National are trying to push through ill-conceived legislation or alterations, under urgency...

First. Bloody. Day!

BenWilson

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:32:49 +1300

Nice work Graeme.

nzlemming

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:47:39 +1300

Hah, John Key lies. Film at eleven.

Kumara Republic

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:28:32 +1300

One sentence immediately springs to mind: "We will always be at war with Eastasia."

Thomas Lumley

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:22:58 +1300

I see that the current law doesn’t cover non-citizen residents of New Zealand unless they are stateless. Is the rationale that NZ can simply refuse to let them back in (or deport them), so they are Someone Else’s Problem?

(added later: I see the Mercenary Offenses Act has broader extraterritorial…

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:59:51 +1300

Sorry! Comments now allowed.

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