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						Y'all should try the Bible. It instructs people to murder their children when they talk back, murder (or forcibly marry) rape victims, keep slaves and kill them if they don't submit, kill any uncircumcised men, kill people who reject god, and unsurprisingly has been used to justify the murders of…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Further to the Fairfax photo fiasco story, Paul Thompson is in <em>The Press</em> today:<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67787507/audiences-will-dictate-the-changing-face-of-news-and-current-affairs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67787507/audiences-will-dictate-the-changing-face-of-news-and-current-affairs</a></p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						If you're going to put a warning sticker on Lenin, what about Adam Smith?
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>the one I’m least uncomfortable with is the placing of some kind of warning on the book, noting that it is linked to the deaths of at least three children</q><br />I'd imagine there are quite a few books that might need similar stickers &ndash; imagine the one for <em>Mein Kampf,</em>…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>By all means house it amongst other sociology books within a tertiary library system, but there’s something that makes me twitch about it being “endorsed” by ratepayers; and don’t try to tell me that nobody considers the presence of a book within a library system to be an endorsement of…</q>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>We need a Tardis for a library!</q></p><p>It’s called the Internet.</p><p>ETA:</p><p><q>I have books and photos over a 100 years old but none of my earliest ‘digital’ files or hard drives remain extant or viable.</q></p><p>There's not much left on papyrus either....</p><p>We've got better at backing stuff up…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>captured photons escape...</strong><br /><q>Meanwhile a chunk of NZ’s – and Austalia’s – cultural heritage is being frittered away on eBay.</q><br />Imagine my surprise &ndash; that 'deal' was never going to end well, one way or the other,.<br />Getting rid of originals or hard copies in favour of ephemeral proprietary electronic…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						Meanwhile a chunk of NZ's &ndash; and Austalia's &ndash; cultural heritage is being <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11432690" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">frittered away on eBay</a>.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Anti-PC gone mad strikes again. (via Grauniad)</p><p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/13/sherman-alexie-novel-tops-list-of-books-americans-want-censored-2014?CMP=share_btn_tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sherman Alexie novel tops list of books Americans want censored</a></p>
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						<p><q>the proper test Parliament should set for the Censor to apply when considering banning material</q></p><p>How about: "was anyone harmed who wasn't a willing, adult, participant". </p><p>Seems like enough to me, and it intrinsically cuts out anything textual or drawn.</p>
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						<q>There is the debate on whether the book should be banned. On free speech issues generally, and censorship issues more specifically, I am about as staunchly in favour of freedom of expression as it is possible to be. I am not sure there is any text I would censor, in…</q>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>also available through UBS.</q><br />Gee that's where I got all my 'Underground Comix' back in the day in Chchch (and the other Uni towns) &ndash; there and Resistance and sometimes at Printed Matter Bookshop in Plimmer's Emporium (wgton) &ndash; sadly rising damp and mould in the garage they were stored…</p>
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						However, I'm sure there are a plethora of textbooks on explosives chemistry and engineering available to anyone who wants to order them.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>No information resources should be excluded from libraries because of the opinions they express.</q></p><p>"Beating children is good for them" is an opinion. <br />"Beat your child using xyz implement when they do abc" is not an opinion, it's an instruction. There's a difference.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2015 14:16:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Tome it may concern...</strong><br /><q>But it was a hoarder’s mentality. I was asking what if someone needs these books? instead of are they being used?</q><br />Ta for that Pete &ndash; and I do confess to being a default 'book orphanage' / hoarder &ndash; something that has been useful to various…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q><br /><em>The Anarchist Cookbook</em> was banned by the Office of Film and Literature Classification as unconditionally indecent in 1994.</q></p><p>Interesting. It's apparently also available through <a href="https://www.ubsbooks.co.nz/details.cgi?ITEMNO=9780974458908" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">UBS</a>. I'm concerned that such a major outlet apparently carries a banned book.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>But it appears that despite the red sticker they were able to retrieve the collection</q><br />Phew &ndash; thank <insert preferred deity> for that...<br />(ta Steve, one less apocryphal regret to carry about, at this rate I could go 'clear' in a decade or two...)</p><p>I do know the demo guys got all the…</p>
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						<p><q>don’t try to tell me that nobody considers the presence of a book within a library system to be an endorsement of the book</q></p><p>I'm sure many do, but they're wrong. The (US) ALA says: [[http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Section=interpretations&amp;Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&amp;ContentID=8657|The presence of books and other resources in a library does not indicate endorsement of their…</p>
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				<title>Pete Sime</title>
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						<p><q>Do the Auckland Libraries hold a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook?</q></p><p><em>The Anarchist Cookbook</em> was banned by the Office of Film and Literature Classification as unconditionally indecent in 1994.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Do the Auckland Libraries hold a copy of the <em>Anarchist Cookbook</em>? If not, why not? It doesn't appear to be an "illegal" book in this country (you can buy it off Fish Pond), and it has the arguable benefit of historical value as well as being an instruction manual.</p><p>__To…</p>
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				<title>Pete Sime</title>
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						<p><q>and I have in the past been shocked at some of the books sold by libraries, stuff that should still be publicly accessible – gone for a song (or less) </q></p><p>I'm a librarian working in collection management. Standard practice is to have a disposal policy as part of a collection…</p>
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				<title>A C Young</title>
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						<p>I definitely don't support banning books or even getting rid of them. </p><p>I do wonder about books with misinformation which could damage people.</p><p>I am thinking here about the recent flap in Australia about the paleo children's cookbook which, if the nutritional advice is followed, could potentially cause well-meaning parents…</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p><q>Also, I have heard that the earthquake damaged National Library building in Chchch was demolished with all the books and photo collections etc still there </q></p><p>The story is here, and  far more interesting than you would think <br /><a href="http://ketechristchurch.peoplesnetworknz.info/en/places_and_streets/topics/show/248-the-history-of-300-manchester-street " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> 300 Manchester St</a></p><p>But it appears that despite the red sticker…</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p><q>I’d read about the how to beat your children manual and vaguely supported the idea of banning i</q></p><p>Its often said the 'Most popular instrument in folk music is the Off Switch'</p>
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				<title>Tim Darlington</title>
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						This librarian thanks you for getting what it is we do.  If a book's being borrowed by our patrons and our distribution of it doesn't breach OFLC rulings, feel free to berate us for purchasing it, but keep in mind we don't give a shit, and can't if we want…
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				<title>Chopper</title>
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						Great post. And yes, the Statement on Intellectual Freedom is wonderful :-)
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Book 'em, Danno...</strong><br /><q>As ever, this is much longer than I thought it was going to be :-)</q><br />In keeping with the prevailing ANZAC spirit it is always 'a long long way to Tipperary'...</p><p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/AlbertFarrington-ItsaLongLongWaytoTipperary1915a.ogg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/AlbertFarrington-ItsaLongLongWaytoTipperary1915a.ogg</a></p><p>here's a couple or so links that may be relevant:<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11422274" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11422274</a><br /><q> Fears the e-book revolution…</q></p>
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				<title>Dan Salmon</title>
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						I'd read about the how to beat your children manual and vaguely supported the idea of banning it, but you've reminded me why that's a bad idea. The only downside is that we've had to pay for that book &ndash; consequently supporting the authors. I guess it would be wrong…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						As ever, this is much longer than I thought it was going to be :-)
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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