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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If this morning’s Harold is to be believed, Hone is now in full-on ‘I <heart> Osama’ mode….</q></p><p>You know something, Labour was always going to go into full-on brown-neck mode against both the Maori Party and HH but it seems faintly unsporting of Harawira to make it so damn easy. </p><p>Then…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 08:29:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						If this morning's Harold is to be believed, Hone is now in full-on 'I <heart> Osama' mode....
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 08:21:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><i>Needless to say, the Harawira-Brash interview is like a gang war – you’re not gunning for either side, but it’s fun to watch.</i></p><p>Not really – the next time Harawira trots out the <em>argumentum ad Hitlerium</em> how about someone grows a pair, and asks him to point to exactly where…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 00:26:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Hone Harawira has just <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4962529/Don-Brash-accused-of-trying-to-destroy-Maori" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">invoked Godwin's Law</a>, and Phil Goff probably has it right by keeping a wary eye on him.</p><p>Needless to say, the Harawira-Brash interview is like a gang war &ndash; you're not gunning for either side, but it's fun to watch.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 23:31:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p>Certainly the overall population figure doesn't need the census. You take one, then proceed by dead reckoning.</p><p>But the census involves questions more complex than that, and it would be awkward to collect a lot of that data.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>No more than with existing census data. One just has to ensure that the material is kept confidential (something I know Stats are extremely diligent at) and only released in aggregated, non-identifiable form.</p><p>Departure and arrival records are already shared with many agencies, and births and deaths are a matter…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 16:13:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>Various countries such as Germany and Switzerland have moved away from a census and used sampling and official records instead. I’d guess this would work well in NZ where the baseline exit and entry numbers would be pretty accurate.</q></p><p>There are pretty serious privacy implications there in terms of `official…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:21:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alhambra</title>
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						<p><q>They just need an Order in Council under CERA to cancel the census, right?</q><br />It was a bit more than that &ndash; a Proclamation by GG.<br /><a href="http://www.dia.govt.nz/MSOS118/On-Line/NZGazette.nsf/e26bc0ba522ca16ecc256ce7000605b2/b542914e05d7c48bcc25784800557f82!OpenDocument" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Proclamation &ndash; Revocation of the 2011 Census</a></p><p>Sampling, and Census less frequently would be the best of both worlds :)</p><p>I think that this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 17:59:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>They just need an Order in Council under CERA to cancel the census, right?</p><p>Various countries such as Germany and Switzerland have moved away from a census and used sampling and official records instead. I'd guess this would work well in NZ where the baseline exit and entry numbers would…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:45:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>NBH</title>
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						Alhambra, having the Census in 2014 would definitely be problematic if we then continued with the normal timetable of a 2016 Census, but everything I've heard is that the deferrment option will be for 2012.  As mentioned upthread, Census data is pretty critical these days for a lot of govt…
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						Insofar as the party list goes, given the recent poltergeist activity, I should imagine the deck chairs are currently being rearranged on that metaphorical Titanic.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>It is reasonable to assume that no census worth its salt can be taken while there are still large numbers or persons unnaturally displaced, unemployed, homeless or living without sanitation</q></p><p>There was some argument about that from interested parties in the media.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the time it will take to plan another census</q></p><p>But they have already done the planning. Delivery can happen any time once the relvance of factors you've mentioned like displacement are decided upon &ndash; and the processing capacity from their damaged Christchurch centre is replaced. That is a matter of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 12:03:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alhambra</title>
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						<p><q>I don't know what the law said in 1931 or 1941, but the Statistics Act 1975 is in absolutist terms. The Government *must* hold a census, or amend the law.</q><br />Exactly; the government must abide by the 1975 act, and as it states, <q>The census of population and dwellings of…</q></p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>It has happened twice before (1931 &amp; 1941), why is the 2011 census any different?</q></p><p>I don't know what the law said in 1931 or 1941, but the Statistics Act 1975 is in <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0001/latest/DLM430797.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">absolutist terms</a>. The Government *must* hold a census, or amend the law.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 07:38:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alhambra</title>
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						<p><q>Reliance on Census data by both business and public sectors is far more pervasive now than 70 and 80 years ago. And 5 years is a relatively longer wait now than then, given the pace of life.</q></p><p>Conversely, the amount of planning required from stats nz is that much more…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 02:20:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>It has happened twice before (1931 &amp; 1941), why is the 2011 census any different?</q></p><p>Reliance on Census data by both business and public sectors is far more pervasive now than 70 and 80 years ago. And 5 years is a relatively longer wait now than then, given the pace of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 00:37:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alhambra</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Only if the census never happens. I don't imagine that will be the case.</p></blockquote><p>It has happened twice before (1931 &amp; 1941), why is the 2011 census any different?<br />The circumstances aren't important: Depression; War; Earthquake, what is notable is that in both previous cases the 5 year cycle wasn't broken…</p>
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				<title>dave crampton</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why can’t real journalists do this kind of analysis?</p></blockquote><p>When have you seen a news article that has mentioned standing orders – most journalists don’t appear to know  much about them, let alone attempt to interpret them alongside legislation.</p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>The Media in NZ are pretty short on fact and info, they only serve as a flag on an issue and if you want to know more you read an informed blog or do the research yourself.</p><p>"But it is difficult to know Hone's true motivations in going, and in…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Morning Report AND The Press both had items this morning about how this would mean more money for Hone – I was dying to send them the link to this blog. Why can’t real journalists do this kind of analysis?</q></p><p>Five years of law school?</p><p>I can't blame journalists for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 17:46:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						I think it will become clear that while they’re claiming to be Mana from heaven, they’re really a party of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhuyv-2GhNI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">muppets</a>.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						or a reality-based Dog Show called <a href="[[http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4890375/Family-feud-in-court-we-can-t-even-name-dogs"> <em>The Ex-Factor</em></a>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						Or Michelle Boag to become judge for reality TV show, 'New Zealand's Got Talons'.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Too much to hope for a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_of_the_Middle" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <em>Left of the Middle</em></a> <br /> outcome, or even a chance that Parliament might <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_to_Life" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <em>Come to Life</em></a>, I guess...</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						Morning Report AND The  Press both had items this morning about how this would mean more money for Hone &ndash; I was dying to send them the link to this blog.  Why can't real journalists do this kind of analysis?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q> <em>Mana bout the House</em></q></p><p>noice</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p><q>amidst an imbroglio of riches</q></p><p>Nat, a la imbroglio. </p><p>Should we be <em>Counting down the days</em>?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Interesting micro analysis Graeme, but I'd personally have just said outright that I very much doubt that Hone is about the money in this case, because he's risking losing it all. He's a guy with a strong sense of his importance to Maori, a natural rebel, and he doesn't like…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Broadcast revenue problem solved...</strong><br />Now they can sell ads on Parliament TV <br />&ndash; as our Westminster stylings<br />become less <em>Yes Minister</em><br />and more <em>Mana bout the House</em></p><p><br />...and via the wonders of digital interaction<br />the logos of the major party donors could float <br />in a cloud over each and every…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>And at least Russell Norman got in via the Green Party list.</q></p><p>Wasn't he co-leader <em>outside Parliament</em> for over two years before entering Parliament?  And one could say that folks who party voted Green (and members who participated in the democratic list formation) didn't vote for Mike Ward and Catherine…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I so want to see this contest</q></p><p>Haven't had a decent lynching for ages</p>
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				<title>Biobbs</title>
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						<p><q>Michael's right. The only way Dr Brash enters Parliament before the next election is beating Hone Harawira in the Te Tai Tokerau by-election.</q></p><p>I so want to see this contest. Perhaps he could kick off his campaign with a speech in Orewa.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						Michael's right. The only way Dr Brash enters Parliament before the next election is beating Hone Harawira in the Te Tai Tokerau by-election.
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				<title>Michael Homer</title>
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						<q>It’d only take Boscawen or Douglas to step aside for Brash to re-enter.</q>He's not <a href="http://www.elections.org.nz/elections/candidates-and-parties/party-lists.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">on the list</a>.
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						One could argue that given that Hone Harawira is seeking a democratic mandate from his constituents, though, he has far more legitimacy than Dr Brash, who can't even be bothered to stand for Parliament, And at least Russell Norman got in via the Green Party list. It'd only take Boscawen…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>should the Electoral Act 1993 be modified to prevent the undemocratic prospect of an unelected person becoming leader of a parliamentary party?</q></p><p>No.</p><p>1. The Electoral Act doesn't recognise the existence of party leaders at all.<br />2. If you don't like him don't vote for him.</p><p>Don Brash's being the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>To change the subject to the other insurgent party leader for the moment, should the Electoral Act 1993 be modified to prevent the undemocratic prospect of an unelected person becoming leader of a parliamentary party?</p><p>Craig Y</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>If Labour don't run, they'll be on the back foot come the general election. Hone has a huge majority in any case.</p><p>I can see Mana getting 1.5-2% at the general election and hence 2 or 3 MPs. It's even possible that in the unlikely event of a tight result,…</p>
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						I'd imagine the reason he's gone with the by-election is to get to campaign once before the actual election &ndash; media coverage, establish his brand, celebration party etc. Good dry run, and a pretty much free chance to get publicity and rack up a win with at least a reasonable…
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>That assumes that his opponents will contest. If his major opponent comes from the McGillicuddy Serious Party like Winston's did in 1993, or the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party like Tariana's did in 2004, the precedent will be worth much less.</q></p><p>I expect it'll be the Hapu Party, which is only…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I would say that one good reason for the by-election is to (assuming that Hone wins) establish his hold on the electorate and thus enable those considering voting for the Mana Party at the general election to be sure that their votes will not be wasted.</q></p><p>That assumes that his…</p>
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						I would say that one good reason for the by-election is to (assuming that Hone wins) establish his hold on the electorate and thus enable those considering voting for the Mana Party at the general election to be sure that their votes will not be wasted.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>So if he is doing it for the money he has stuffed up big time but not for the first time</q></p><p>Honestly, trying to figure out what’s flitting through Hone Harawira’s mind at any given moment is like trying to do one of the super-sized sudoku puzzles with a hangover.…</p>
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						will be next year
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						<p><q>Only if the census never happens. I don't imagine that will be the case.</q></p><p>Well, it was cancelled, not postponed, right? So the next one is 2016?</p>
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						<p><q>Oh, frak that &mdash; the concern trolling about the public purse gets trotted out by political hack too bloody often.</p><p>Well, you know something &mdash; democracy costs.</q></p><p>Indeed.  And I expect that if Hone wasn't seeking a new mandate, the same people currently complaining about the cost would be complaining…</p>
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						<p><q>So they've still been screwed out of their option to switch for 2014?</q></p><p>Only if the census never happens. I don't imagine that will be the case.</p>
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						<p><q>After the next census is held. Given that there is a general election this year, even had the census been held this year, the Maori option, and the redrawing of the boundaries would have been delayed until next year.</q></p><p>So they've still been screwed out of their option to switch…</p>
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						<p>So if he is doing it for the money he has stuffed up big time but not for the first time<br />Wonder if Hone (or his followers) reads PA , doubt it as we tend to be mostly white  m.f.s  but it would be nice if he got the message…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>How will Maori get the option to change rolls now that the census is canceled?</q></p><p>After the next census is held. Given that there is a general election this year, even had the census been held this year, the Maori option, and the redrawing of the boundaries would have been…</p>
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						<p><q>democracy costs</q></p><p>Agree. Hard to get worked up about this instance when there has been so much extravagant pork-barrelling in the last couple of years.</p>
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						Perhaps Harawira is going for a byelection now as an early practical test of that agreement with the Maori Party not to campaign against one another? See if it extends to the flaxroots networks, etc.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>but I appreciated Danyl’s observation:</q></p><p>Oh, frak that &mdash; the concern trolling about the public purse gets trotted out by political hack too bloody often.</p><p>Well, you know something &mdash; democracy costs.  So does a police force and judiciary in a national with any pretensions to civilization. YMMV whether whether…</p>
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						How will Maori get the option to change rolls now that the census is canceled?
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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