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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Pole dancing...</strong><br /><a href="http://www.imperatorfish.com/2011/12/dr-don-seeks-to-sink-santa.html#comment-form" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Imperator Fish</a> has a great take on <br />Don Brash and power struggles<br />within organisations...<br />&ndash; off thread, but in season<br />:- )</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:26:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Given that Raymond Huo won't even be a party to the proceedings, it seems somewhat wrong to have his continued membership of Parliament turn on the case.</p><p><q>My view is that the Act only gives the High Court to make orders in relation to the one seat in Parliament about…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:45:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>Graeme, the Stuff story attributed direct and indirect quotes to an Electoral Commission person:</p><p><q>However, the Electoral Commission said the court would also be guided by the need to observe real justice.</p><p>"The question would be whether the court was prepared to make additional orders relating to the allocation of…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:05:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Graeme – out of interest, can you please point to which sections of the electoral act you are basing this analysis on?</q></p><p>Will hopefully do that in the next couple of days, but in short, it's a combination of sections 55, 229(3) and 243, and a fair bit comes down…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:52:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>it’s a long shot, but would this count as intimidation under the Electoral Act 1993?</q></p><p>Unless it comes down to one vote, it doesn’t matter. Bennett can get kicked out of Parliament for committing a corrupt practice. She can’t get kicked out because someone else might be found to have…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:45:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>gavin long</title>
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						Graeme &ndash; out of interest, can you please point to which sections of the electoral act you are basing this analysis on?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:16:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						I just remembered… it’s a long shot, but would <a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/2011/11/14/national-getting-desperate-in-waitakere-breaking-the-rules/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> count as intimidation under the Electoral Act 1993?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:40:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						That's what i thought when I looked at the paper this morning (yes, we do still get a hard copy. Mrs Lemming likes to do the crossword on the train into town).
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:54:48 +1300</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6164308/Challenge-could-oust-Bennett-from-Parliament" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">I wonder if Kate Chapman has been reading your post, Graeme</a>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:35:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Very fishy!</p><p>Extrapolating results from fish groups to human voters does not strike me as scientifically viable...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:35:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>National won because there were a bigger number of "uninformed" voters on their side??</p><p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16206336 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Headline: " Uninformed 'vital for democracy'</a> "</p><p>Something fishy...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:25:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						No, I did not think that. I felt certain that a judicial recount would happen, because that is what everyone does in a close vote. But, as I said, they may come to rue that they didn't stand by, since it would have meant nothing but a symbolic loss to…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:50:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						FFS, Ben, if you really thought anyone in National was going to just stand by and let Bennett get Protillo-ed without a peep I've got a bridge to sell you. Several.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:21:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Sometimes you come up trumps, others it's snake-eyes all the way. Live with it.</q></p><p>And sometimes there's no need to roll the die at all. To lose your favorite Minister could be considered a misfortune. To give the balance of power to the Maori Party looks like carelessness. She'd have…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:16:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						It's a lawsuit. Lawsuits cost. The judicial recount is the point where the citizens get their low-cost intervention by the judiciary. After that, you're talking about tying up a High Court justice for a period of time, lawyers, the whole works.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:13:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						I heard on 3 news, it is around $100,000.00 for a petition. Why? Is this only for Parties with loads of money or can you put in an IOU on the nevernever? Shouldn't this be a matter of principle for the rights of citizens in a democratic society?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:25:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>I'd be doing a very careful risk analysis </q></p><p>Before that I'd suggest that you do a very careful analysis of the law. </p><p>Special declaration votes where the person is not enrolled anywhere do not even have the ballot paper taken out of the sealed compartment. See<br /><a href="http://legislation.co.nz/regulation/public/1996/0093/latest/whole.html?search=ts_regulation_electoral_resel&amp;p=1#DLM210507" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">s41</a> of the Electoral Regulations.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:33:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Nice of the Herald to write a story about the Waitakere decision</q></p><p>Not so nice reading this...</p><p><q>Auckland lawyer Peter Kiely was recount scrutineer for the National Party<br />and said some changes came about because votes allowed on election night might have had a mark in the box rather than…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:25:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>I read the news today...</strong><br />Interesting to note this comment from <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10773827" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">stable jumping TV journalist,</a> Guyon Espiner, which reflects on the calibre of modern politicians, he said he was:<br /><q>  ...looking forward to finding stories about "real people" after more than a decade in the press gallery.</q><br />and there was no "Live…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:46:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						Nice of the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10773840&amp;ref=rss" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald</a> to write a story about the Waitakere decision, but have they, or anyone, put it online?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:22:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						I agree that such a change would be abhorrent. But equally I have no doubt that Key could and would justify to himself that such a change would be appropriate.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:18:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<q>But before it got to that point, I have no doubt that John Key would use urgency to change s137(2) to refer to the highest person on the list not currently in Parliament. Then if the decision on a petition goes the wrong way, he opens up a vacancy by…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:59:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Sadly Judicial Decisions Online seems to no longer provide what it should. The judge has released a decision which I would be interested to see.</q></p><p>JDO has never been that quick. Least of all for a decision apparently released on a weekend.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:51:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						And in Christchurch Central comparing the returning officer's 'final' count to the judicial recount, Nicky Wagner's vote was unchanged, Brendan Burns vote went down 2, the Green candidate went down 2, the ACT candidate went down 4 (out of only 114 or 110). Candidate informals went up 6 and 2…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:36:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>As you were: Google Cache (now saved) is your friend.</p><p>Compared to the returning officer's 'final' count, the judge gave Paula 8 more votes, and Carmel 12 fewer.  9 more for the Green candidate and negligible changes for other candidates and for party votes. 8 fewer informal candidate votes. 2…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:24:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						Finally, can anyone (hello scrutineers) provide a copy from the website of the pre-recount Waitakere & Chch Central totals? I.e. as released by the Electoral Commission as 'final' including special votes, which could be compared to the judicial recount.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:11:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>For the anoraks among us, the changes between the election night result and the recount in Waitakere, with 3,000+ specials included:</p><p><br />BENNETT, Paula	NAT	               1,155<br />BRADFORD, Sue	MANA	           56<br />LYE, Jeff	ALCP	                           59<br />MOUNTAIN, Danny	CNSP	           59<br />OSBORNE, Peter	LIB	                     7<br />SEPULONI, Carmel	LAB	               1,495<br />TOLLESTRUP, Steve	GP	                  273<br />Candidate…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:08:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>apparently now official</q></p><p><a href="http://www.elections.org.nz/study/news/waitakere-judicial-recount-official-results.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Announced</a> sometime yesterday. Sadly <a href="http://jdo.justice.govt.nz/jdo/Introduction.jsp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Judicial Decisions Online</a> seems to no longer provide what it should. The judge has released a decision which I would be interested to see.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:02:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>She would be, after all, the highest-ranked candidate on the list that was published who is not elected. Or does being elected as an electorate MP drop her from the list permanently? I can’t quite figure out the law on this one.</q></p><p>Exactly the point I remember Graeme alluding to,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:33:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If that eventuated, then the whole National party could end up cursing her for going for the judicial recount when she was going to get in on the list anyway, and possibly cursing themselves for not reading Legal Beagle.</q></p><p>No &ndash; just no.  I know there are a lot of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 00:22:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						If, under the fulfilment of the <em>Paula's Peril</em> scenario, the lowest-ranked National list MP were to resign, am I correct in believing that Paula would be entitled to fill the vacancy? She would be, after all, the highest-ranked candidate on the list that was published who is not elected. Or…
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>the number of votes where the intent is doubtful </q></p><p>Before I am Edglered, I should make it clear that changes can happen for other reasons: eg in the recount, a decision can be made whether a special vote is allowed or not due to the signature of a witness on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:14:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>Do feel very welcome to report any observations here.</q><br />Big ups to Robert Peden for having the cojones to post the polling place data based on preliminary count. Another development in scrutiny of the process.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:09:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>As as aside, I saved from electionresults.govt.nz the data of votes cast at each polling place based on preliminary results. Be interesting to see, in Waitakere and elsewhere, what if any variations there are when compared to the final count.</q></p><p>Do feel very welcome to report any observations here.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:51:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>It’s not entirely up to her, to be frank. I’m trespassing on my host’s territory here, but I believe you got to come to an electoral petition with specific grounds for complaint. And with the enormous amounts of time, energy and money involved I don’t think anyone pulls that trigger…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:50:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q> <em> exactly 20 votes found lying around somewhere all with Bennett’s name on them? or exactly 20 votes discounted for Sepuloni.</em></p><p>...you might actually want to wait until he releases his judgement next week</q><br />and<br /><q>I believe you got to come to an electoral petition with specific grounds for complaint.</q>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:35:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Ah, but there's been so many of them it's hard to keep up. As Ian might say: coming home to roost, they are.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:06:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Sure it wasn’t Spiny Norman?</q><br /><a href="http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/television/why-chook-is-crying-foul-over-underbelly-series/story-e6frfmyi-1225870048227" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Chook</a>'d know.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:53:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Sure it wasn't <a href="http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/piranha.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Spiny Norman</a>?
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:28:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>"Some say this is everything from the ravings of someone on the brink of death to poetry to secrets of the mob world. You be the judge."</q><br />I’ll go for poetry. Schultz is rather more forthcoming than a gentleman who appeared before the NSW Royal Commission into police corruption back…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:41:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>French-Canadian bean soup...</strong><br /><q>Yeah, that’s Schultz...</q><br /><a href="http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/dutch.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Last Words of Dutch Schultz</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:30:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>And with the enormous amounts of time, energy and money involved I don’t think anyone pulls that trigger casually.</q></p><p>No, but it is rather important this time around, especially considering the chance of Graeme's "Paula's Peril" scenario. If that eventuated, then the whole National party could end up cursing her…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:28:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>What! That’s not a tanning clinic?</q><br />It’s the leaving the head on that gets me, because the dentition is superficially similar. Like, ‘Dear God, is that what I think it is?’<br />’Yeah, that’s Schultz, he was all over the news last week, shot dead in the line of duty. We…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:06:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Not only that but there is something not quite right about a round number, exactly 20 votes found lying around somewhere all with Bennett’s name on them? or exactly 20 votes discounted for Sepuloni . Fishy eh?</q></p><p>You’re taking the piss, right? But hey, if you want to accuse District…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:44:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Pork, wha!?</strong><br /><q>the unfortunate pig burning in hell</q><br />What! That's not a tanning clinic?<br />(Shoulda gone to speck savours...)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:32:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Dear heaven &ndash; if only he had had the graphics!</q><br />He probably did, until DeepRed pinched his PowerPoint presentation. Very convincing, and rather less disturbing than the unfortunate pig burning in hell just a few posts down from the beloved doggie over at the City Scenes thread.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:29:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>and I don't have a clue, either...</strong><br /><q>Pennilessness is the state of having no money.<br /><em>These days, it’s having no dollar = poverty</em> </q><br />Dollar? Us? = Dolorous and Doleful</p><p><br /><strong>But this is clue dough!</strong><br /><em>and</em> as we all know<br />senselessness = e!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:06:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>Pennilessness is the state of having no money.</q></p><p>These days, it's having no dollar = poverty</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:12:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Poverty IS having no money.</q></p><p>Pennilessness is the state of having no money.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:05:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Dear heaven &ndash; if only he had had the graphics!
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:22:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>And another thing. What's all this with blinglish saying you can't fix poverty by throwing money at it? like duh. Poverty IS having no money. Nasty looking bugger too.</q></p><p><a href="http://kumararepublic.blogspot.com/2011/12/modest-proposal-indeed.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">With apologies to Jonathan Swift...</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:13:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Handsome is as handsome does.</q></p><p>Hmmm, Forrest Gump moment.<br />;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:06:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>Nasty looking bugger too.</q></p><p>Handsome is as handsome does.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:23:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Going from +11 to -9 is quite a change</q></p><p>Not only that but there is something not quite right about a round number, exactly 20 votes found lying around somewhere all with Bennett's name on them? or exactly 20 votes discounted for Sepuloni . Fishy eh?<br />If you are going…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:11:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						Going from +11 to -9 is quite a change considering how carefully the counting is done.  If I were Sepuloni I’d <em>totally</em> go for a petition.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:01:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>+ a zillion &ndash; sandfly bites or zits would also do fine.</q></p><p>As they say in Libya...<br />"May your body hair be infested by the fleas of a thousand camels"<br />or so I've heard. Wonderful people.<br />;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:21:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						+ a zillion &ndash; sandfly bites or zits would also do fine.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:30:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						WAAAARGH. A scrofulous pox upon you, Paula Bennett. Get out of my life.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:17:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I do hope there's a petition. No real reason not to try, at least. It matters a lot to the outcome for both government and opposition. Could Waitakere mirror Wairarapa, and flip on a petition, by a very small margin? Magnifying the power of the Maori party hugely.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:17:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Bugger.</q></p><p>This had to happen for my scenario to come true. Now for the next step.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:14:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Bugger.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:53:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10773368" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald story</a>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:38:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						DPF is reporting that Bennett won by a nine-vote majority in the recount. Not up on any news sites yet, but if he's saying it I'm fairly confident that it's true.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:31:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Yeah that sucked.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:37:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>fat </q></p><p>classy</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:30:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I'd agree with that.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:47:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						There shouldn't even be single MP parties by definition.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:56:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						I think the threshold should be set to that required to get 2 MPs into the house (somewhere around 1.5%), in order to avoid a proliferation of single MP parties (we get more than enough of those via the electorate votes ;-).
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						<p>Joke time…</p><p>A vagrant is sitting on a roadside park bench in West Auckland, when out of nowhere, Paula Bennett’s leopard-skinned ministerial limo zooms past. Several minutes later, two stocky men struggle and heave to haul a very obviously stolen money safe. Still another several minutes later, the cops show…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:25:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>Perhaps, as she drives away for the last time, Waitakere voters could line the avenues and give her a fitting send-off with this song? </q></p><p>My daughter can do "Now I only want you gone" from the Portal 2 game on ukulele, but we are at the other end of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:18:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						But but the dream is not over, the cuts will continue and the list saves the day for Paula.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:12:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<p><q>Is there any MMP scenario in which the voters of Waitakere get to pelt her leopard-skin ministerial car with rotten fruit as it drives humiliatedly out of town? Because that's what I would really, really like.</q><br />Perhaps, as she drives away for the last time, Waitakere voters could line the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:54:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						Cocytus: Sainte-Laguë just ensures the (root mean square) difference between the % of seats and % of vote is as small as possible for any given number of seats. Any other calculation makes parliament less proportional on average, including things like thresholds, which is how National gets too many seats…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>The Sainte-Laguë method ...is not a percentage of the vote = number of seats system. If it was then National's 47.31% of the vote translates to only 56 seats not 59. </q></p><p>Yes it is.</p><p>The reason why 47.31% of the vote => 59 seats is that:</p><p>3.37% of the votes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:51:13 +1300</pubDate>
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						All this just shows Kiwi's don't understand the system we use to elect members to parliament. It's called MMP but the system is the Sainte-Laguë method. This is not a percentage of the vote = number of seats system. If it was then National's 47.31% of the vote translates to…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:39:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Thomas Lucien</title>
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						<p>National lose 2, Labour &amp; Greens less 1 each.</p><p>Conservatives and ALCP in with 3 &amp; 1 respectively.</p><p>e: actually ALCP may not get in depending on whether you need 1/120 to get in and what remainder method method you use. In that case, the Greens do not lose a seat.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:05:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Yes, I like the look of that 1/120 the total vote required<br />Sorry to lazy to work that out but how would the present Parliment look if we had used that rule?<br />Please</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I thought you must have too, but you didn't.</q></p><p>Turns out I did. Only it was <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/3323/?p=242111#post242111" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">in the other thread</a>!</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:06:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I thought I already said</q></p><p>I thought you must have too, but you didn't. It does make sense, though. Counting isn't exactly rocket science.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Why not?</q></p><p>I thought I already said, but ... because the returning officer will have been really really careful the first time around.</p>
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						<p><q>but mostly because I don’t think the judicial recount will go Bennett's way</q></p><p>Why not?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>So working with your scenario, ie Judicial recount = Bennet In then Labour goes for a Electoral Petition , what are the chances Bennet would lose?</q></p><p>I think rather unlikely, but mostly because I don’t think the judicial recount will go Bennett's way. If it doesn’t, and she still tries…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:07:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Wow Graeme &ndash; this scenario has big implications. <br />Quite aside from the party polices Paula Bennett has been a very competent minister, I cannot see her party allowing her to be biffed out on the street over an electoral petition. <br />I can see the attraction for Labour in going for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:49:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>In that case, Carmel is out and while National doesn’t gain a seat</q></p><p>As with a by-election, there might be a window in which Bennett could resign as a list MP before being formally elected as the local member.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Geddis</title>
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						Of course, you can flip this (Carmel Sepuloni is confirmed as electorate MP after the judicial recount, Paula Bennett then launches an electoral petition which is successful). In that case, Carmel is out and while National doesn't gain a seat, Labour loses one ... reducing Parliament to 120 seats and…
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>although the Netherlands won't allow a party's first seat to be a remainder seat, so it would be kinda like us having a threshold of 1/120 of the vote. </q></p><p>This is my favourite alternative &ndash; the threshold should be exactly that required to earn a seat.</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>the hilarity</q></p><p>Plus Bennett lining up for the dole.  The poetic justice.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:25:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Judging with what has happened in the past in New Zealand with MMP I feel dropping the threshold is a goer but do other countries who use similar systems feel it is necessary?</q></p><p>It's pretty variable.</p><p>Germany's MMP system has 5% or three electorates (but ~600 members of their lower…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:03:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Word, sister.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:39:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Is there any MMP scenario in which the voters of Waitakere get to pelt her leopard-skin ministerial car with rotten fruit as it drives humiliatedly out of town? Because that's what I would really, really like.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Interested scenario, Graeme. I would be surprised, though, if an election petition didn't actually strengthen the National vote &ndash; the voters most at risk of being challenged out are the ones who move around (ie renting) and students who may be living away from home as they study. Both of…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:52:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p><q> I feel dropping the threshold is a goer</q></p><p>I for one welcome our new ALCP coalition-building overlords (that's right, meme'ing like it's y2k biznitches)</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						Judging with what has happened in the past in New Zealand with MMP I feel dropping the threshold is a goer but do other countries who use similar systems feel it is necessary?
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I wasn’t having a laugh</q></p><p>I assumed not, I've just complained here before about how the 2008 election is mis-remembered. A lot :-)</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p><q>recommend removing the "one seat rule" and may well also recommend lowering the 5% threshold.</q></p><p>yes, that would be good. getting rid of the  "one-electorate-seat exemption" and halving the 5% threshold to 2.5% is the way to make things fairer and encourage more people to vote, imho.</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>I wasn't having a laugh; however I only said 2% and 4.07% because that was how I remembered it (obviously wrongly) and because I was unaware of the actual number of votes they got. </p><p>Also, I'd forgotten Peters had lost Tauranga in 2005.</p>
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						<p><q>Graeme, can you also ask them to review the anamoly we saw in the 2008 election where:</p><p>&ndash; ACT got a measly 2% of the vote, yet thanks to Hide winning Epsom, they got five MPs, while in contrast...</p><p>&ndash; NZ First got twice as many votes, 4.07%, yet because…</q></p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p><q>But whether the balance has been struck correctly is something I think I'll be asking the MMP review to address.</q></p><p>Graeme, can you also ask them to review the anamoly we saw in the 2008 election where:</p><p> &ndash;  ACT got a measly 2% of the vote, yet thanks to Hide…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						p.s. I should add, that in the unlikely event that this happened, I don't believe Paula would be able to return to Parliament as a list MP at all this term (if, for example, a National list MP resigned, or died). That could probably be fudged, however, as the alternative…
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