Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: Mana update

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:41:35 +1200

How can our electoral laws have been updated umpteen times in the last couple of decades, but this bit of language still be stuck in the 1960s?

1950s.

But yes ... despite MMP, and the EFA and the new bits of the Electoral Act post-EFA, our electoral laws are very…

Kyle Matthews

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:50:52 +1200

You can display “ribbons rosettes and streamers” on your person or on a “vehicle in party colours”.

How can our electoral laws have been updated umpteen times in the last couple of decades, but this bit of language still be stuck in the 1960s?

Graeme Edgeler

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:52:13 +1200

I thought the BORA basically had no significance to other laws. So that if the BORA grants you the right to free speech but another law prohibits certain acts of speech then those certain acts of speech become illegal.

Absolutely not the case. Although in a situation like this where…

Islander

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:30:53 +1200

Hone has won, apparently---

bmk

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:34:56 +1200

But I'm not a lawyer so am probably wrong about this…

Rich of Observationz

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:27:24 +1200

You can display "ribbons rosettes and streamers" on your person or on a "vehicle in party colours". So I guess it may hinge on whether the car was red, white or black (or would a Maori Party car need to be red, white *and* black)?

I'm wondering how s.197 of…

bmk

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:27:18 +1200

Considering I was concentrating on driving I couldn't say decisively either. Though I do remember seeing a word at least one of them.

So could a party use a plain colour as a form of legal advertising on an election day? For example when they take their billboards down could…

Graeme Edgeler

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:59:04 +1200

Interesting as I drove through Whangarei this morning three different cars had a party flag being flown from them. Is that allowed?

It is not.

I got a blue party leaflet in the mail today. Even though it was in Wellington, I'm not sure that's allowed either.

edit: I should…

Rich of Observationz

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:18:38 +1200

please avoid using the words “National”, “Green”, “Mana”, and “Maori"

A pity, because I wanted to discuss driving in a [redacted] car whilst listening to [redacted] radio on my way through Plimmerton to [redacted] to visit a [redacted] friend.

Sacha

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:15:06 +1200

other 'native' electorates

well played

bmk

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:10:32 +1200

Interesting as I drove through Whangarei this morning three different cars had a party flag being flown from them. Is that allowed?

But I don't care either. I don't really understand the rationale behind the whole 24-hour thing.

Graeme Edgeler

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:29:49 +1200

If Party A wins, then it’ll probably be seen as being on the way back. If Party B wins, then it will have won its first major test

If Party B wins, then Party B may stand in other 'native' electorates in November, splitting Party C's vote and allowing Party…

Sacha

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:11:33 +1200

Everyone, please avoid using the word... "Maori"... on the Internet for the next 17 hours and 39 minutes.

We shall call them 'natives' for the duration, sir.

Craig Young

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:05:19 +1200

Well, yes, obviously there are questions about the possibility of low turnout, relative strength and resilience of rival party organisations and infrastructures in the respective electorates. If Party A wins, then it'll probably be seen as being on the way back. If Party B wins, then it will have won…

Graeme Edgeler

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:28:36 +1200

No-one seems to be extrapolating this to other Maori electorates, currently held by the Maori Party. One wonders why…

Extrapolating what?

We have no real idea what will happen.

Whoever wins, you will be able to make a credible argument that it is a good thing for both Labour and…

Graeme Edgeler

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:22:44 +1200

Graeme, a question you will no doubt be able to answer is this. Will you have to turn comments to this thread off at midnight?

Well, I won't be...

Everyone, please avoid using the words "National", "Green", "Mana", and "Maori" (among others) on the Internet for the next 17 hours…

ScottY

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:49:55 +1200

I'm in the Davis camp and am hopeful he'll win, and even knocked on a few doors for him, but nobody really knows what will happen tomorrow.

Graeme, a question you will no doubt be able to answer is this. Will you have to turn comments to this thread off…

Islander

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:22:46 +1200

By which I mean each of the Maori electorates is different, and to extrapolate from Te Tai Tokerau to Te Tai Toka is not a goer, and I expect each of the other Maori electorates is the same.

What I feel, as a Maori roll voter, is the Maori Party…

Islander

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:58:28 +1200

Te Tai Toka is – organising. Quietly.

Dunno about others.

bmk

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:22:14 +1200

The only thing that I can be certain of is that turnout will be low. Who this will favour I wouldn't know.

Craig Young

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:14:52 +1200

No-one seems to be extrapolating this to other Maori electorates, currently held by the Maori Party. One wonders why...

Steve Curtis

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:51:15 +1200

Davis and labours better organisation will see them win by less than 500 votes.

giovanni tiso

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:34:21 +1200

If there is any accuracy at all in that poll that had them close two weeks ago (and that's a big if, the margin of error was something like 4.5%) then I'd say that Hone is toast.

Graeme Edgeler

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:31:21 +1200

Indeed, I'm so non-confident about making a decision, that I'm not even prepared to say it will be close.

It may be close. Hone could win by 10%+, Kelvin Could win by 10%+.

But feel free to make predictions of your own.

Public Address

Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:31:21 +1200

Discussion from blog post.