http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56_S0WeTkzs

Lets film the Hobbit in NZ.
Dot com moves to NZ
What?
Hey Peter. See if you can get the PM to sort out a meeting.
Mr PM. along with Hobitt, we want to get that megaupload crowd. What with your subsidy we still can't make a…

Knowing Planet Key, wouldn't they be more coked-up than stoned? Chances are Planet Key thinks weed is for filthy hippies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZSUb5wFw8M&sns=fb

I guess they'll need to find one who hasn't already blogged or tweeted what they think ;-)

After…

Actually not so much, IMO. Not revealing the involvement and output of the intelligence services isn't exactly a shocking development when we're talking about a court case where things will be public…

I was thinking of tweeting something similar over the weekend. Why are we granting this clown the benefit of doubt?

A genuinely independent inquiry with broad scope by the Ombudsman or similarly trustworthy agency who can keep genuinely sensitive information secret seems warranted at the…

That this all stems from a "department's fundamental mistake" is improbable.

We are only aware of this GCSB issue as KDC legal team pursued it – we have the Deputy Prime Minister…

The narrow focus was forced on Neazor because of the terms of reference drawn up by the Prime Minister. They had the advantage, from John Key's perspective, of producing a quick report and denying…

That was a concerning image wasn't it?

Utterly implausible. Campbell Live's story five months ago about who knew what is still pertinent – detailing the many people and organisations who would have to have not told Key anything. Here's the PM responding 2 days later. Watch the clips…

Then they got a suppression order from Bill while the boss was away cause they screwed had up.

This was not a 'brain…

Same. And if any person who is entrusted with an oversight role doesn't, then I want them out of the way. This stuff is not some kind of game.

And yeah, there may be no conspiracy to achieve a dastardly aim, but there can still be collusion to hide systemic incompetence.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10837316

Sir Geoffrey Palmer

Sir Geoffrey said Mr Key should have been told from the start.

"I would have thought if the GCSB was using its sophisticated surveillance methods in a situation like this, it would be prudent to tell the minister. I don't understand…

"I prefer not to sue the NZ Government," Mr Dotcom said through his official Twitter account. "We love it here & we don't want to burden tax payers."

He…

and I'd expect them to pay, yes.

Yet our honourable PM has been doing his best today to do exactly that by blaming the…

How much are *the people of New Zealand* likely…

Legal Expenses schmegal expenses.... what about the death of a company (reputedly) valued around $1 billion. (Mega Uploads)

They do try and keep their identity secret however. Hager was able to identify them by looking... can't remember if it was an…

The only cock up was they got found out.

Likely, some of it anyway – and then consider the team gathering the evidence – made up of NZ Police/OFCANZ, GSCB and the FBI gathered the evidence largely in NZ – with the GSCB playing…

If we were a colony of the US, maybe.

But suppose some of the emails were between Kim Dotcom in Coatesville, and counterparties here or elsewhere. The US seized/intercepted them from internet traffic or an ISP. That act had elements located within NZ (sending the email)…

That's the NZSIS you're thinking of, where it is illegal to name staff publicly other than the Director. No such requirement for anonymity applies…

Me too. I presumed from intercepts in US – but maybe NZ in light of GCSB and SIS involvement?

I think that's just an employment issue. The illegality was not stuffing up the call as to what GCSB could do, the illegality was doing it…

So the emails were intercepted in the US?

The seized hardrives that were later cloned and copies inadvertently given to the FBI.

The purpose of the raid being the arrest, and search for and seizure of evidence.

Seizure warrants in the US. It's well-known how that evidence was gathered, and there's nothing dodgy about it. The Feds got warrants, seized computers, gathered evidence. Completely legal and above-board.

Yeah. Although I entirely accept the PM may have other competing commitments, I expect attendance of Parliament to be close to the top in terms of priorities. More so, when you’re the Minister responsible for…

According to the documents, the preferred option for the police was to drop a “primary arrest team proximate to the dwelling” with STG and AOS officers in “lower standard of dress” following in vehicles on…

You do need to factor in a heavily-armed raid on your family and home…

At the time of the raid there was mention of evidence to the contrary to be presented in (US) court, including emails between the arrestees. Now wondering how those were obtained..

Basically, I'm thinking of whoever the poor legal person was at GCSB who made the wrong…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7734184/Dotcoms-lawyers-question-police-statements

The extent of the GCSB surveillance of Dotcom, and what was passed to the United States, is not yet known.

Mr Davison said in court it was "likely" there…

Sooner rather than later is my fervent hope- which, given the numbers, could result in a very interesting situation…

They OFCANZ, GCSB and the minister did not considering the matter of domicile perse – domicile does not determine residency or citizenship eligibility does. But this is not the…

Neazor's finding that the information gathering was illegal opens up that avenue, regardless of what Key's said. See the original post from Graeme for the necessary information about what needs to happen for that…

But who gets the the job to clean them after this gets flushed out of the system, there is more to come. The disclosure thing and all.

He was disappointed in a Plymough Satelitte, Faster…

'Responsible' is no longer a word I would use to describe John Key.

I'd be interested to know what visa he was granted in 2009 – perhaps Mr Dotcom himself might supply a copy by way of clarification?

The system…

I put it to you the very real possibility that to OFCANZ, GSCB and the PM it just wasn't an issue that was…

*snort*

I support a position that GCSB were entitled to rely on an assurance from another government agency. I've called that agency's assurance a fuckup,…

That's a very interesting question, and one I'd love an answer to.

I'm trying to figure out if I qualify as a "foreign national", "resident" or something else.... (I am in practice resident- but what's my legal status?)

I'm of Australian birth, and have an Australian…

Well OFCANZ weren't confused – they state KDC is a NZ Resident.

First Citizen John Key is just too great everybody loves him, men want to be him, women want to be with him and his govt is divine – even…

Please pass the popcorn.

GCSB wasn’t really going to be faulted for relying on OFCANZ’s assurances. If they couldn’t take the word of the Police, something was wrong. He hasn’t said that GCSB didn’t gather information, and he hasn’t said that GCSB’s gathering was, somehow,…

The system is quite simple – there are two main classes of visa, resident and temporary. The former defines "permanent resident" in the GCSB Act. When a person migrates to NZ, they will get a residence visa (usually) with conditions – once those are met, it…

It is not a mistake – it is bullshit.

It may all starts to happen after Justice Winkleman's judgment.- should the judgement rule in favour of disclosure as sought by KDC the govt could unravel – if not Key will smirk his way through to the next election and the nation can then make the choice.

The Nazor…

Which suggests that the US authorities do have such a capability and use it.

I'm interested in the legal liability of NZ authorities (GCSB, police) receiving such information. Legal if the monitoring was done overseas? Even if…

I think this whole Gov't needs to be
advised of what their Legacy will be...
Brownlee is probably happy being reviled,
but…

I'd have thought it was an IPCA matter. Or simply a matter that can be properly dealt with by Justice Winkelmann along with the various other…

Why would it be Neazor's concern, TBH? I would say it's a concern to be raised at the political level by the Justice Select Committee.

So, is this actually going to be part of Neazor's inquiry? Or is the wider problem going to be quietly swept under…

As Graeme has pointed out there is no crime attached to that section. All it does is make it impossible for the interception to be legal, which then presents the options for Crimes Act prosecutions for unlawful interception.

s 14 Interceptions not to target domestic communications
Neither the Director, nor an employee of the Bureau, nor a person acting on behalf of the Bureau may authorise or take any action for the purpose of intercepting the communications of a person…

“that” being storage of ISP customer data (including emails) for two years, compulsion warrants for passwords [ETA: which we already have], and interception requirements for things like Skype.…

The consensus in the Facebook-o-sphere is that Collins' announcement of more parole changes is the "look over there" action in this case. I've seen a National-friendly columnist in Granny pass comment on how obvious it is that National release pointless-but-headline grabbing policies…

I recall being surprised that Money Laundering includes any movement across borders of money you knew to be illegally obtained. I had thought some sort of secrecy or furtive dealings had to be involved,…

Those 'other reasons' seem pretty persuasive to us non-lawyers – principally the timing of the visit by Panetta.

Doesn't the whole extradition case hinge on an alleged criminal 'conspiracy', given that copyright violation on its own is…

In that respect, founding father Benjamin Franklin once wrote that "they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

There is also some evidence to show that the Police are also using Customs extensive search-at-the-border powers to do intelligence gathering for them. We know that Customs allow the Police direct…

It reeks of the GCSB/Police (again!) being Amerikanized by their definition.

So in order to pervert the law you need to know the law?
The labyrinthine by ways of the legal system need…

Me, I'm just stocking up on popcorn. The show has only just begun.