Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: Just get the App, already

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:26:22 +1300

Air NZ Koru benefits:

If you're flying domestically in New Zealand with carry-on luggage only, you can check-in directly at our lounges in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin and Queenstown airports.

And those lounges are mostly airside

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:23:04 +1300

How much of a deterrent is getting a boarding pass to some miscreant? All you have to do is spend a few dollars buying a ticket?

I think the main reason they don't want randoms airside is just crowd control. (It's not so much a problem in NZ, but imagine…

Walter Nicholls

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:38:56 +1300

I've always thought it was silly that guardians of unaccompanied minors don't get to carry some documentation. Given the paranoia that is airport security, it seems quite sensible that anyone without proof of their reason to be air side, should be rapidly escorted to an interview room.

Also, this may…

izogi

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:33:21 +1300

Yes of course. But when people use the app, they have the app and so they have a boarding pass, don't they? (Maybe they haven't gone through the motions of telling it to officially issue the boarding pass?) People not using the app have to print a boarding pass before…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:22:03 +1300

I think the way most pax are now on non-refundable tix reduces that. If the airline's got your money, what do they care if you turn up or not?

Also, I'm told by people that know that a lot of airports have cellphone tracking systems that not only know which…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:26:26 +1300

(nor does the airline know they are in the airport)
Yeah, I'd always thought a big part of the check-in process was so the airline knew the passenger was actually in the building, and able to board the plane.
It seems to me that 'checking in' before getting to the…

Kurt Mastrovich

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:25:39 +1300

In many ways it does as the authority that issue the type certificates and technical standard orders for a great deal of aviation equipment on, in and around aircraft and the very aircraft themselves. Aviation is a very interconnected industry and in NZ as in many countries our regulator often…

Kurt Mastrovich

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:20:01 +1300

The argument here though is that if he'd had the app with the electronic boarding pass then there would be no grounds for an infringement notice.

Matthew Hooton

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 17:25:29 +1300

No, it's no longer standard. Many people use the app so don't have a physical boarding pass (nor does the airline know they are in the airport) until they reach the gate.

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:01:12 +1300

You think that because the ideology of the US is suspect, we should ignore any technical findings (such as that a plane is liable to have its wings fall off) that come from that source?

Paul Campbell

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:36:46 +1300

Oh I don't disagree it's prudent, I think they're completely within their rights to ban them for safety reasons, I just don't think that the FAA has any authority in NZ – legal or moral for that matter

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:52:03 +1300

The FAA was first to issue the warning (being probably the largest and best resourced civil aviation regulator). This would only have been mandatory on US flights, but Air NZ will have prudently applied it across the board.

The CAA probably should follow suit, but haven't I don't think.

Regulation…

izogi

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:53:51 +1300

Thanks, Graeme.

And Gerry Brownlee didn’t have a boarding pass.

Isn't it standard in most/all New Zealand airports for boarding passes to be issued before security? Whether it's at a check-in desk or printing it. Must he have forgotten, or do Ministers typically get special treatment with this sort of…

Paul Campbell

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 06:03:26 +1300

Slightly off topic, but I hear the warnings from the “Federal Aviation Administration” that air NZ is running about Note 7s on domestic flights …. Is it that the NZ CAA missing in action here and ANZ just making do? Or does the FAA actually have some legal authority in…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:27:35 +1300

Actually, the Civil Aviation Rules can be adjusted by the Minister – it doesn't need new primary legislation. Obviously they've been lax in doing this as they don't reflect current practice.

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 25 Oct 2016 17:05:15 +1300

I can't demonstrate this, but I've got a fairly clear recollection that it used to be possible (in Auckland) to get a boarding pass at the gate and/or the Koru Klub, and that there were kiosks at the KK for this purpose. In that case, Air NZ were encouraging a…

Scott A

Tue, 25 Oct 2016 16:52:46 +1300

Thank you for this, Graeme. Quite interesting, from my legal geek perspective. Seems like there's a legislative fix or two required!

Which will probably end up being done by private members bills entered into the ballot by backbench government MPs!

Public Address

Tue, 25 Oct 2016 16:52:46 +1300

Discussion from blog post.