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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Craig</p><p>I certainly don't hate all politicians, nor am I advocating kicking over the sandcastle for amusement. I tend to agree with your unscientific and anecdotal evidence, but can't see any reason not to put it on a much more formal basis with evidence actually gleaned from the people, after…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:00:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote>Furthermore, I also think that if a large majority of people, in a referendum, wanted to 'throw out our electoral system and start again', then that would indeed be a crisis of legitimacy. Since you think we're not facing anything of the sort, then you would surely feel that there's…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:40:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote>Furthermore, I also think that if a large majority of people, in a referendum, wanted to 'throw out our electoral system and start again', then that would indeed be a crisis of legitimacy. Since you think we're not facing anything of the sort, then you would surely feel that there's…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:40:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I don't think you need paralysis or a crisis of legitimacy to periodically check that people are behind a system, any more than you need it to periodically check that they are behind the politicians. If it's just something you do, then it works to restore confidence in good systems,…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:18:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Should keeping electoral promises, even silly ones, be a criminal offence as part of good governance?"</p></blockquote><p>Heh... but no.  Pointing and laughing should be sufficient punishment. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:55:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						"Should keeping electoral promises, even silly ones, be a criminal offence as part of good governance?"
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:51:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think it is. I tend to think it's always time, but for practical reasons questions of such huge impact should probably be decided once per generation...which I guess is something like every 20 years.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, balls... Sorry for the whorish self-promotion, but my PAS piece this week (Sunday, 7pm,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:40:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I'll bite your bump :-0~</p><p>On "Is it time?":<br />I think it is. I tend to think it's always time, but for practical reasons questions of such huge impact should probably be decided once per generation...which I guess is something like every 20 years.</p><p>On "is MMP better than FPP?":…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:38:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Selfishly bumping this to the top 'cos it seems relevant again =)</p><p>I'll be posting more on the issue when I've a bit of time...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:20:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger Ellis</title>
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						<p>"If National were pushing for first past the post to give them a better chance to govern, isn't Labour opposing it because it doesn't want National to have a better chance to govern? "</p><p>Isn't the point that in a democracy the party with more votes should have the first…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:45:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>A S</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A Bi-Caramel system sounds sweet ;-)</p></blockquote><p>Not only that, we'd get to keep our existing stash of Flakes, Jafas, Oddfellows, Allsorts and Bounty bars.   :-D</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:38:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Peter &ndash; wrong thread. I think you wanted to be first <a href="http://www.publicaddress.net/system/newblogtopic,5078.sm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>:-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:29:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						Having only served on one jury and that being here in Scotland the change to electing jury forepersons later in the trial is interesting. In the trial I served on we were not required to select a foreperson until we retired to consider our verdicts, though we had been warned…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:07:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						A Bi-Caramel system sounds sweet ;-)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:13:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>Hmm. Where to start.</p><p>As others said, the Maori party would die a quick death in an FPP system, as a Brash/Key National government would have been in power the last three years and already done away with the Maori seats, most of treaty, the tribunal, and other things they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:02:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim McKenzie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think it's a reasonable question if it comes with a "If New Zealand were to adopt a new electoral system, which would your prefer?" as well. ... if someone wants to search for the original 1992 question I wouldn't be surprised if it looked something like that (Tim?).</p></blockquote><p>Sorry…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:11:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>dave crampton</title>
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						<p>.. they still can, as a list vote, just like Maori who are on the General roll can.<br />If electorate seats are abolished there will be less effective representation for  everyone, as nobody will have an MP and there will be fewer Maori in Parliament.<br />If you have one vote…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:42:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>uroskin</title>
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						<p>MMP can definitely be improved on after the experience with it over the last elections.<br />1. The obvious one is to abolish electorate seats altogether (both general and Maori) and move to a completely proportional system<br />2. The threshold then would be 1/120th of the votes cast for your party…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:38:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>A S</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We had an upper house aeons ago &ndash; the Legislative Council. By the time Sid Holland mothballed it in 1951, it had become little more than a rubber stamp for the Parliament.</p></blockquote><p>I know, hence my suggestion that it would need to be properly structured (to avoid that happening again).…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:54:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps a bi-cameral system could be debated. Structured properly, it might offer a very useful check / balance on the current system to restrict the ability of one arm of government running off in directions for which it never gained a mandate.</p></blockquote><p>We had an upper house aeons ago -…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:18:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>A S</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And if National managed to secure enough votes &ndash; much easier to do under FPP &ndash; they could implement their stated policy of consigning the Māori seats to oblivion.</p></blockquote><p>By the same token, it could equally be possible for the Maori seats to be abolished under MMP. All it takes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:06:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<blockquote>Rather than a maximum of 7 seats in a 120 (or 121, or 123 seat Parliament), the Māori Party's 3-4% of the vote could generate 10% of seats in Parliament, and in close-ish elections (most other than those like we look to be having now) they'd stand a good chance…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:35:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Christiann: Wikipedia.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:32:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>I do have a visceral hatred of FPP, and I do oppose a new referendum on the voting system, but:</p><p>It's not time. It's far too early. Really, to see how good MMP is or is not, whether it needs tweaking or should be replaced, we'll need to get rid…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:04:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Christiaan</title>
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						Is there a good webpage comparing STV with MMP somewhere?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:43:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I realise that the Māori Party considers itself among the "MMP Parties", but it really shouldn't. Its lifeblood is the Māori electorate system. It relies in absolutely no way on the party vote. Whatever Atareta Poananga's hopes, it may never earn a list seat.</p><p>And it would thrive under a…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:58:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>Open lists enable people to cast their party vote next to a particular list candidate to push them up that party's list. I believe Peter Dunne favours this (if we don't adopt his favoured STV), but not many other politicians. It could certainly diminish the list members have no mandate…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:27:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>"Are you satisfied with MMP as a system or would you prefer a change?"</em></p><p>That is self-evidently not a referendum question. It is a customer feedback survey. Graeme is right (in the first reply) to point to this. A referendum is worth discussing. National's proposal is not. It is a…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:15:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>What Rachel said. </p><p>That was just what I was gearing up to type, and she's put it much more clearly than I would.</p>
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				<title>Mark Bennett</title>
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						<p>Interesting post, Graeme. Here are some brief and tentative thoughts:</p><blockquote><p>The electoral system should be of the people and it is right that every so often, the people should have their say, alone in the four walls of the voting booth. Three or four times a century &ndash; once a…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:46:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and I kinda like the idea of open lists</p></blockquote><p>What do you mean by an 'open list' Graeme?</p><blockquote><p>For example: within the Tauranga electorate not enough people might want Winston to represent them, but across the country lots of people might vote Winston in.</p></blockquote><p>This is why they shouldn't put…</p>
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				<title>anjum rahman</title>
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						<p>a couple of things:<br />1.  a lot of the electorate vote for the maori party happened because voters were able to party vote labour.  so they could be assured that they would get maori labour MPs as well as maori party MPs.  without that security, i would predict a large…</p>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<blockquote><p>By the way, what is National's current proposal for the wording?</p></blockquote><p>Here it is:</p><p>"Are you satisfied with MMP as a system or would you prefer a change?"</p><p>That is self-evidently not a referendum question. It is a customer feedback survey. Graeme is right (in the first reply) to point…</p>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>MMP is part of a growing movement for a greater participatory democracy.</p><p>Imperfect and still evolving, devolution of power from central to regional, district, &amp; Iwi (or other) have provisions in law (RMA specifically &ndash; not sure on the rest).</p><p>That Maori &amp; the Maori Party have had a greater voice under…</p>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p>Also, I'm not so sure that Maori party dominance in FPP is guaranteed.  <br />I haven't analysed this in depth, but get the feel Maori electorate voters have been quite sophisticated, and used vote splitting to maximise their representation: vote for Labour in the party vote and vote for Maori in…</p>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<blockquote><p>At our last election a number of MPs were thrown out by the electorate but returned to Parliament &ndash; is that 'democracy'?</p></blockquote><p>.</p><p>YES!!</p><p>I get utterly frustrated by people claiming that it isn't democratic or fair when an MP is "thrown out" by their electorate and gets back in…</p>
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				<title>Nick D&#039;Angelo</title>
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						<blockquote>It is one of the enduring myths of New Zealand politics that voters were destined to have a further referendum to confirm or reject MMP. No promises of such were made before the 1992 plebiscite or the 1993 referendum.</blockquote>Next you'll be telling me that <strong>Eight</strong> glasses of water a day…
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				<title>Christiaan</title>
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						By the way, what is National's current proposal for the wording?
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						<blockquote><p>I can't really fault them for bringing self-interest into the calculus &ndash; political parties are, well, political. But that self-interest is exactly why questions around the voting system must be taken away from the politicians. That is why answering such questions belongs with the people.</p></blockquote><p>It's a good point and…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Just seen your column for PA come up on my news reader, you many need to alter the headline...</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure I can (in system anyway), but it was deliberate. I don't think it's time for a change, but it is time for people who think there should be…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I wanted to see if that ballot paper was as absurd as I remembered it: one question with five choices, one of which was FPP. Of course, it wasn't.</p></blockquote><p>That's my fear over National's current proposal. It appears to be that the second question (if enough people say yes to…</p>
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				<title>dave c</title>
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						<p>Hi Graeme,<br />Just seen your column for PA come up on my news reader, you many need to alter the headline.....</p><p>I think  the Maori Party support the Maori seats more than any electoral system, but you maintain that the Maori party supports MMP &ndash; or any PR system, -…</p>
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				<title>Tim McKenzie</title>
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						You prompted me to search our shelves for the book about the original 1992 vote, <em>Voter's Choice: Electoral Change in New Zealand?</em> by Helena Catt, Paul Harris, and Nigel S. Roberts. I wanted to see if that ballot paper was as absurd as I remembered it: one question with five…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>As a post script, I should add that I find the exact process that seems to have been promised in National's policy somewhat odd.</p><p>If we're to have (the possibility of) two referendums then they should follow the same process used last time.</p><p>The first should ask whether we want…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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