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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>those of us who do operate with disabilities</q></p><p>beware surgeons :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:06:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>After all, companies don’t donate to the National Party out of the goodness of their hearts. They clearly expect a policy return, yet what they pay is a donation.</q></p><p>Euan:  No they don't, just as unions don't donate to the Labour Party for shits and giggles.  You might, however, want…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:54:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Irrespective of whether it was worth something to the station, Key got free radio time; something his party would normally pay for.</q></p><p>Actually, no. Radio time is something National is legally forbidden from paying for (which is why Radio Live will be in trouble if Police get around to charging…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:16:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						Irrespective of whether it was worth something to the station, Key got free radio time; something his party would normally pay for. After all, companies don't donate to the National Party out of the goodness of their hearts. They clearly expect a policy return, yet what they pay is a…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:01:28 +1300</pubDate>
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						<q>Other parties spend the similar staff time/money/ they get to assist, for example, technologically-challenged MPs by printing off all their incoming email and drafting all their emails from dictation. Parties without this technological disability can spend that money on other things, but haven’t seemed to complain that parties with technologically-adept…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:06:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Fall foul in what sense?</p><p>In the sense that a body like the Human Rights Review Tribunal or a Court could look into it and decided whether it had? No. I anticipate that parliamentary privilege/comity between the branches of government tells everyone else to stuff off.</p><p>In the sense that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:07:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I've copied my post to the <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/3360/?p=249110#post249110" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">accessibility thread</a> (which seems more fitting), if you feel moved to respond to it.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:45:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						And Smith was a teacher. As ever NRT has a good point or two <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:25:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>For sure. But everyone would rather get on with the job than waste time on that, I'm sure. </p><p>The core issue as I see it is Lockwood's misunderstanding: it is actually Parliament's accessibility that's being supported, not Mojo's. So it's not a matter of personal support funding. </p><p>The inconsistency over…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:07:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Indeed, but not tabled in parliament?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:07:23 +1300</pubDate>
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						I believe it might.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:48:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						And still on politics and the law, could the non-funding of Mojo Mathers’ digital note-taker fall foul of the Human Rights Act 1993 or related legislation?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:07:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Labour-reveals-PMs-emails-over-radio-show</q></p><p>I understand that the email advice was released before the election on The Standard.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:50:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>"Not to the best of my knowledge," Key replied.<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6417211/Labour-reveals-PMs-emails-over-radio-show" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6417211/Labour-reveals-PMs-emails-over-radio-show</a><br />By any reasonable measure a smoking gun I think.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:23:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>…and Key got to choose his interviewees.</q></p><p>He’s never had an ‘ambush’ interview – read Simon Walker or Stephen Sackur – so long as he’s been within NZ. And once again, if major broadcasting personalities are going to nail their colours to a mast, it’s perfectly OK for them to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:45:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						...and Key got to choose his interviewees.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:58:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						Shearer makes a slick one hour TV programme during which he discusses all sorts of things other than politics, and TV3 agrees to show it during prime time just before the next election, at no charge. TV3 thinks that having a high profile politician on TV during an election campaign…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:59:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						If, at election time, a pro-National businessman were to produce and distribute a bunch of leaflets with a National electoral message on the front and a business advertisement on the back (and having a promoter statement), would this be a donation? Could they argue that the cost was defrayed by…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:37:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>No. Is he corruptly trying to change that body’s vote (or someone else’s)? If not, it’s not treating.</q></p><p>Indeed. Treating is basically bribery, but with food &amp; drink instead of money.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:40:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q>So the Electoral Commission has replied, and basically said they can’t make a judgment on a radio show without seeing a transcript. But they have been pretty clear about putting the responsibility on the broadcaster, <em>which is useful</em>. </q></p><p>Emph. mine</p><p><a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/pms-office-cuts-radio-dead/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://thestandard.org.nz/pms-office-cuts-radio-dead/</a></p><p>That little note about usefulness, made by someone in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:55:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>If Key’s giving his time to a commercial body during an election campaign, isn’t that treating?</q></p><p>No. Is he corruptly trying to change that body's vote (or someone else's)? If not, it's not treating.</p>
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						<p><q>Casino = small pox blanket.</q></p><p>nice</p>
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						<p><q>Will we see Joyce (or Gerry by proxy) suggesting a partnership with the nearby Chch Casino (part owned by Sky City I think)?</q></p><p>I wouldn't be surprised &ndash; though I'm with Graeme on that being just usual business for large projects rather than corruption. Plenty of that elsewhere.</p>
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						<p>If Key's giving his time to a commercial body during an election campaign, isn't that treating? Surely an illegal gift by a politician can't undo an illegal gift to a politician?</p><p>Otherwise you could give them free advertising as long as they pimped your business for free during question time.…</p>
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						Casino = small pox blanket.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Know when to fold...</strong><br /><q>Last month Steven Joyce said he believed <em>“on the balance of probabilities”</em> that the project would go ahead.</q><br />Joyce sounds like Sky City's perfect customer...</p><p><br />...another interesting (and worrying) piece in that story was:<br /><q>The Government sees the conference centre as a boon for overseas visitors.…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:51:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>If Sky City thinks it a good business deal to build a conference venue then why do they need changes to the gambling laws?</q></p><p>That’s not what I was meaning when I said “good business practice”.</p><p>Sky City is intending to build an expensive convention centre as part of its…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:28:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Sound business practice?</q></p><p>If Sky City thinks it a good business deal to build a conference venue then why do they need changes to the gambling laws? how is building a conference venue such a huge favour to the Government that they need a reciprocal bum lick?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:15:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>So Sky City just has to promise to build a conference centre, which no doubt will be used for National’s conferences and Joyce will change the law to suit them. What is that if not pure corruption?</q></p><p>Sound business practice?</p><p>How is that possibly corruption? If National was going to…</p>
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						<p>Joyce is nothing if not an interesting study, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Joyce" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Joyce</a><br />I'd like to know who made the approach to Radio Live for Key to feature on the show.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>A bit off topic but still annoyingly corrupt <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10784252 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> SkyCity conference project back on Joyce radar</a><br /><q>Under SkyCity's proposal, it would meet the full $350 million cost of construction but in return wanted alterations to gambling laws, including moves to extend its licence to 2021 and to have more pokie…</q></p>
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						it will be an interesting case
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q> <em>I am pretty convinced by your argument</em><br />I’m not, but then I’m not a judge.</q></p><p>I'm not convinced either. I just know enough to know that I don't know the answer.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Yet that was exactly what was publicised before the event. Someone changed their minds.</q></p><p>Perhaps it was both. In any event, I don't think it would be determinative. If Key's people suggested it, and Radio Live agreed, that doesn't make them any less in control.</p>
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						<p><q>I am pretty convinced by your argument</q></p><p>I'm not, but then I'm not a judge.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>The suggestion is that Radio Live swapped an hour of radio for an hour of the PM's time, right? And that because there was a swap, it's not a donation. But I don't know if I agree that the PM's time works like that.</p><p>I'd agree that Radio Live did…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:09:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>It wasn’t a cash transaction, but that doesn’t mean the barter wasn’t a fair trade.</q></p><p>(What follows is not perfectly formed.)</p><p>Yeah, that's true. The problem I have is that on Key's side, he was doing it in order to get free publicity. He wasn't giving anything up in order…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:54:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Yet that was exactly what was publicised before the event. Someone changed their minds.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:48:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I imagine the real degree of that will be pivotal, including who made the decision not to take calls.</q></p><p>I imagine that was Radio Live, who were trying really hard not to break the law. If you have the PM taking lots of calls on the radio two months before…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:38:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>But Key wasn’t engaged in any kind of commercial transaction. So that’s a problem. (</q></p><p>The suggestion that Radio Live didn't gain a real and direct benefit from Key's hosting is difficult to sustain. A high profile host, who brings high profile guests, is of substantial value. It wasn't a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:36:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>retained editorial control </q></p><p>I imagine the real degree of that will be pivotal, including who made the decision not to take calls.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:46:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						But Key wasn’t engaged in any kind of commercial transaction. So that’s a problem. (It’s asymmetric. You can imagine on the one end, a real commercial transaction, where the National Party needs some cash, and so rents out Key on business terms to radio stations. That certainly wouldn’t be a…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:35:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>The debate was whether the “free” use of those billboards was a donation or an election expense.</q></p><p>Had he used billboards owned by his company, Clarkson would, in effect, have been depriving his company of money. There would be a financial cost involved, albeit not a cash cost in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:08:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p><q>So a taxpayer donation of Key's valuable time to Radio Live? I guess that's another angle...</q><br />Got to love the way lawyers minds work</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						Wasn't there a case way back in Winston's Tauranga days when Bob Clarkson (?) used billboards for free since he owned them? The debate was whether the "free" use of those billboards was a donation or an election expense. The outcome of that seems relevant to a bill-board/radio broadcast.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:55:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>or were they special ring-ins for the ‘celebrity’ host – I believe the impression was given that they were Key’s friends doing him a favour – perhaps the normal speaking fees of these individuals should be taken into the equation as donations as well</q></p><p>Donations to whom? Key? Why wouldn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:19:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>crowd source proofing...</strong><br /><q>Maybe it’s an inherent feature of politicians that that will (almost) anything for good publicity.</q><br />... <strong>that they will do</strong> (almost) anything...</p><p><br /><strong>running inference...</strong><br />re the guests on that radio show (Branson, McCaw, Jackson...) can we know if they would have been on with the odious Henry,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:49:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>And it would be interesting to see how the arrangement with the station was covered off. What constitutes consideration if no money changed hands?</q></p><p>Of course, there's also the possibility that if this is seen as a commercial transaction between Key and Radio Live, that this increases the likelihood (perhaps…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:40:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<q>This is how this is different from an ordinary donation. If I give a party $100,000 of free polling, I may free up money for them to advertise, I might help them get elected, I might buy "access", I might help be enacted policies they've already announce which I like.…</q>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:10:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>"One of these days... <br />... I'll remember to turn comments on"<br />[guess who got the "classic 39" for Christmas]</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:37:26 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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