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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p>heh heh &ndash; if it wasn't for the last clip I woulda thought it was a pisstake!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOa3sXjqE4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOa3sXjqE4</a></p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>I thought the Scott Watson case turned on the judges determined acceptance and promotion of the planted evidence, rather than an emotive atmosphere.</p><p><br />Super delegates you say. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd deliberately run senator Clin-ton to lose and let McCain keep the war machine grinding away another…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:07:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Here's one up your alley, Graeme: speculation about the Clinton campaign's <a href="http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/hillarys-threatened-lawsuit-in-texas.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pre-emptive tilt at the Texas primary rules</a>.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:42:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<p>... the most I've ever learned about the US "system" since I watched the last episode of WW last year...</p><p>And thank you for confirming my recollection... I kept thinking it was familiar!</p><p>Interesting philosophical issue is raised here around the role of delegates, whether super of NZ Members of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:41:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						Graeme &ndash; thanks for another enlightening post, and also your attention to answering questions posed. I've learnt a lot about the US election process in the last couple of months from reading this blog.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:42:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's another one of those really weird things in American politics...</p></blockquote><p>As far as I can make out the story with Florida was &ndash;</p><p>1. Florida Dems decide they want a bigger share of the action and move to legislate their primary forward.</p><p>2. That legisaltion gets to be an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:20:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It seems to me that there would be a good case to just run the Florida and Michigan primaries again<br />Then there would be an uproar</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure there would be an uproar, but there just isn't enough time to do this.</p><p>Primaries are organised (and paid for) by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:03:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Has there been a case, similar to the one that you described, where the super-delegates effectively changed the nomination, and that nominated person went on to win?</p></blockquote><p>No.</p><p>The nomination didn't used to be decided so openly through primaries &ndash; up until 1968 it was largely decided by party insiders.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:42:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Candidate A beats Candidate B by a narrow margin. But Candidate A is not inaugurated because Congress and The House of Representatives have 'Superdelegate' status and it is their job to question "is this the best person for the job?" and they give their votes to Candidate B.</p><p>Imagine the…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:29:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Could it be that we're seeing series six of The West Wing play out in real life? I mean, insurgent candidate with an inspirational message and an ethnic minority background, up against experienced insider candidate.</p></blockquote><p><em>West Wing</em> writers <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/21/barackobama.uselections2008" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">have recently confirmed</a> that the character of Santos was based on Barrack…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:56:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am not sure why your post is titled "Hillary marches fourth"</p></blockquote><p>A subtle distinction &ndash; but it was <em>Hillary Marches fourth</em> &ndash; the upper-case <strong>M</strong> pointing to the date March 4th &ndash; when Texas and Ohio hold their primaries (both pretty much <em>must wins</em> for Clinton).</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:50:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Damn you Sarah Silverman (NSFW)</p></blockquote><p>Dear oh dear oh dear. Still wiping a tear away about the 'close but no cigar' bit....</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:52:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>According to the Florida Democratic Party's website it was the amendments filed in an effort to change the January 29th date to forestall the DNC's sanctions that were turned down by the Florida Republicans.</p></blockquote><p>It's another one of those really weird things in American politics, that republicans &ndash; presumably through…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>It seems to me that there would be a good case to just run the Florida and Michigan primaries again<br />Then there would be an uproar</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:46:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Conor Roberts</title>
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						Funny thing about Florida and Michigan moving their contests earlier in order to have more influence on the outcome is this: if they hadn’t moved them, they would have had their primaries just after Super Tuesday. With the Democratic race running this late Florida and Michigan would have probably decided…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:07:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>I 'get' that this is a process to select the Democrat nominee for the Presidential election; but imagine if the Presidential election was run along similar lines? The people go out and vote in November for who they want to as President. Candidate A beats Candidate B by a narrow…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:35:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>... A role they played in 1984, when they gave the nomination to insider Walter Mondale over insurgent Gary Hart. ...</p></blockquote><p>And Mondale went on to lose. Has there been a case, similar to the one that you described, where the super-delegates effectively changed the nomination, and that nominated person…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:30:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>The Florida Dems have maintained that it was the Republicans that got them into trouble with the DNC and it's quite hard to find out what exactly went on but on <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Enough/CGjMM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Obama's web site</a> there's this &ndash;</p><blockquote><p>According to the Florida Democratic Party's website it was the amendments filed in…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:23:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						I am not sure why your post is titled "Hillary marches fourth".  She appears to be a very close second at the moment.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:17:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>you can't change the rules to suit you after the game has started</p></blockquote><p>ah but you can &ndash; all you have to do is put this before the Rules Committee &ndash; they can decide to seat Florida &ndash; that's well within the rules.</p><p>Certainly the Dems have an idiosyncratic method…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:51:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						I just find it ironic that the democratic party in America is an aristocracy.  But then, the US is really a monarchy, so its not that surprising.
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						Interestingly, some (but not all) of the West Wing writers claim that Santos was originally going to lose the general election to Vinick. When they had to write out Leo McGarry (due to the death of the actor that played him), they decided that having Santos lose the election and…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:17:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>they act as guardians, to prevent a candidate in a close race from securing the nomination if it's not in the interests of the party.</p><p>The role of the superdelegate is to question "is this the best person for the job?", "does this person – popular within the democratic party…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:11:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Conor Roberts</title>
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						<p>Watching this amazing Democratic race it is amazing how familiar this all seems... I mean it’s all about West Wing Series Six &ndash; Episode "2162 Votes"...</p><p>Could it be that we're seeing series six of The West Wing play out in real life? I mean, insurgent candidate with an inspirational…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:56:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>You have to wonder what the state Democratic parties of Florida and Michigan were thinking.</p><p>I understand that moving your primary forward helps your state and gives more prominence to your issues etc.</p><p>Given that they were forewarned of the consequences however &ndash; isn't having a later primary better than…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<a href="http://www.spike.com/video/2944002" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Damn you Sarah Silverman</a> (NSFW)
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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