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tussock

Thu, 05 Sept 2013 23:14:42 +1200

Interesting problem for the left this sort of thing. When you're all on the side of truth and justice it's common to nitpick and argue trying to find the best expression, where the fascists on the right all just march along to the same mind-numbing propaganda.

Like how the green…

andin

Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:48:52 +1200

I haven’t heard the right rebuttal yet.

You can change your own views :-)

Lilith __

Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:33:04 +1200

I’d like to see Graeme answer Gordon’s reply, particularly to give his response to Gordon’s main point about the erosion of democracy.

I have answered Gordon’s reply as a comment to his piece.

Oh right, cheers.

"chris"

Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:10:04 +1200

I particularly liked this Graeme:

Some of my favourite debates/discussions have been ones where I have ‘lost’. I don’t want my view to win, I want the better view to be my view, and that may mean recognising that the view I was arguing for was wrong. If someone changes…

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:18:04 +1200

I’d like to see Graeme answer Gordon’s reply, particularly to give his response to Gordon’s main point about the erosion of democracy.

I have answered Gordon’s reply as a comment to his piece.

Although I find it odd that the title of this post is a person’s name, not the…

Lilith __

Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:26:26 +1200

telling him to STFU and be a good team player. When does that ever end well?

Sorry Craig, but where is anybody saying that? The only one trying to close down discussion seems to be you.

I’d like to see Graeme answer Gordon’s reply, particularly to give his response to…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:49:41 +1200

I’m guessing you haven’t read Gordon Campbell’s defense of his article, to which Rob Stowell has already linked.

You're guessing wrong. That's how the internet in the hands of grown ups work, and Gordon actually engaging with criticism (not entirely convincingly, IMO, but that's another kete of kai moana) is…

Yoza

Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:27:38 +1200

I’m guessing you haven’t read Gordon Campbell’s defense of his article, to which Rob Stowell has already linked.

Craig Ranapia

Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:42:32 +1200

You’re missing the point: I’ve got no reason to doubt Graeme’s critique of the examples given by Gordon, and it’s a useful critique, but it’s also snide, pedantic and grandiose.

Fucking hell, so it’s now “snide, pedantic and grandiose” to publicly critique a journalist being well… somewhat careless on basic…

Rob Stowell

Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:05:27 +1200

I would love to see those who don’t agree with Graeme’s post provide some on-point rebuttal
Here :)

Graeme Edgeler

Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:43:50 +1200

I agree with Mick. Why not just put these complaints in the comments at Scoop?

I would have if it was just one mistake. Stuff like that happens. It was the multiple errors on the same point that had me exercised in this case.

philipmatthews

Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:11:27 +1200

Why dedicate a blog-post to this when Graeme could have communicated privately with Gordon or posted a comment directly on Gordon’s original article?

I agree with Mick. Why not just put these complaints in the comments at Scoop?

CK Stead’s ‘Smith’s Dream’ was written in the Muldoon era.

My turn…

Mick Rose

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:42:49 +1200

You're missing the point: I've got no reason to doubt Graeme's critique of the examples given by Gordon, and it's a useful critique, but it's also snide, pedantic and grandiose.

Why dedicate a blog-post to this when Graeme could have communicated privately with Gordon or posted a comment directly on…

Mark Graham

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:29:04 +1200

Doesn't the Govt own Mediaworks these days? Apart from John Campbell, it certainly seems the case to me.

"chris"

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:39:54 +1200

I was stoked to finally get the chance to watch Sleeping Dogs.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:54:26 +1200

instead of links to films
Que? I wasn't disagreeing with Graeme, merely a tangential aside triggered by another comment...

Rob Hosking

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:26:54 +1200

I would love to see those who don't agree with Graeme's post provide some on-point rebuttal, instead of links to films and character assassination.

Anyone ???

andin

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:32:50 +1200

4. Token Bill of Rights Act (BORA) yeah No. 4 The last one.

overall thesis
Well Im not sure

No reason is given as to why the Attorney-General is the Government’s “legal puppet”, and I would have thought that the fact Chris Finlayson is making so many reports suggests he…

Yoza

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:38:19 +1200

"No reason is given as to why the Attorney-General is the Government’s “legal puppet”, and I would have thought that the fact Chris Finlayson is making so many reports suggests he probably isn’t a puppet..."

The premise that Chris Finlayson, National Party MP and a Cabinet minister for the current…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:25:00 +1200

Perhaps TV3 could put Sleeping Dogs on the telly for the masses

Why stop at Sleeping Dogs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=durNwe9pL0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4rBDUJTnNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckvDo2JHB7o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_13fFIrhPk

Graeme Edgeler

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:08:59 +1200

I call dibs on this gag.

I did wonder if the name should appear four times :-)

Peter Graham

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:38:53 +1200

Sleeping Dogs is on Youtube. I don't know if the copyright owners have given permission or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ebqw-A6OIc

James Butler

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:19:38 +1200

Those wondering about the title of this article

I call dibs on this gag.

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:06:43 +1200

'Smith's Dream'
Perhaps TV3 could put Sleeping Dogs on the telly for the masses
(I can't see the Gov't owned ones running it at the moment)
and it is such a groundbreaking film for NZ, serious story, great soundtrack, first feature for Roger Donaldson, and early movie for…

Andre

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 00:13:28 +1200

I liked his reasoning which still stands even though (obviously) many of his facts were wrong. CK Stead's 'Smith's Dream' was written in the Muldoon era but the situation it describes seems much more likely today than it did then in my opinion.

Graeme Edgeler

Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:35:27 +1200

Those wondering about the title of this article, probably haven't read the Twitter account that has been set up for Gordon, presumably by someone from Scoop.

Public Address

Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:35:27 +1200

Discussion from blog post.