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Rich of Observationz

Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:40:37 +1200

even if Labour does take back some Maori seats, it’s of limited value.

I think the value is not having the Maori/National party in a position of influence, really.

Kyle Matthews

Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:53:48 +1200

Yes, it gives them more of a chance of “coming through the middle” in the Maori electorates, but this has to be balanced by the possible loss of party votes, and for a big party like Labour party votes are what determine their eventual power in parliament.

Personally I think…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:19:31 +1200

Well, there haven't been many coalition agreements recently. Labour/Progressive? Apart from that confidence-and-supply has been the main way parties have worked together.

Gary Hutchings

Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:16:58 +1200

I don't think this is good news for Labour, and here is my reasoning.

Yes, it gives them more of a chance of "coming through the middle" in the Maori electorates, but this has to be balanced by the possible loss of party votes, and for a big party like…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:02:13 +1200

following this in the media,
it seems that the by-election is over
but the bile action continues...

Stephen Judd

Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:46:33 +1200

Actually I believe Goff ruled out a coalition agreement. That doesn't mean they couldn't cut a more limited deal for confidence and supply,

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:44:41 +1200

Phil Goff thinks he can win all seven Maori seats and that "[Hone's] his ideology was different from Labour's and he was not a stable partner".

So, if after that election Labour have 50 seats, Greens 8 and Mana 4, we'll be seeing a National-led minority government? One…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:47:33 +1200

Yep. Although the Māori Party may not be in on it. It doesn't require collusion, and Hone…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:35:59 +1200

Is that by chance because ether you don’t think they should endorse Hone, the Maori seats, the Maori people as a collective or what?

The Hone factor. I suspect anyone who works with him probably won't take long to do a Peoples Front of Judea on him.

Tim McKenzie

Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:30:19 +1200

Graeme, you seem to be suggesting that (wittingly or not) the Māori and Mana parties are pursuing something like this strategy (with two parties, rather than with one party and lots of independents). And if so, they're doing it in a way that doesn't look like they're gaming the system,…

Alex Coleman

Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:57:14 +1200

I think one of the interesting wrinkles will be what happens with the party vote in the Māori seats.

tussock

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:42:52 +1200

Ah, rorting MMP. Be interesting if they split the Mana-Maori for that end, but not good for the system at a time when everyone else gets a chance to throw it away.

Still, great thing to see the left rise once more, and here's hoping they get rid of that…

Stephen Judd

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:13:42 +1200

Sacha, I have never understood this school of analysis which presents the aggregate vote as somehow a unified voice of the voters sending a message together, as though we all rang each other and said "you vote for him, I'll vote for her, I've arranged for just two of my…

Sacha

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:51:10 +1200

John Armstrong offers some wishful opining from within the Thorndon bubble.

He wanted the voters of Te Tai Tokerau to give him and his Mana Party a fresh and sizeable mandate. They have instead sent Hone Harawira an ultimatum.

Their message is clear. They want something more than someone who seems…

Kumara Republic

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:35:27 +1200

Sue Bradford and John Minto have been previously approached to stand for the Mana Party. They're best to keep their distance and operate outside party politics like Matt McCarten, or maybe even resurrect the Alliance instead.

Stephen Judd

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:36:41 +1200

I am very interested to see the Mana party list, when it comes out. The main parties' selection processes tend to filter out ideologues — while capable and pragmatic operators are necessary to broker the deals that ultimately get shit done, I would love to see some more people with…

Sacha

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:32:37 +1200

the values both Mana and the Maori Party attest
Isn't part of the reason for Mana existing a sense that the Maori Party was not acting consistently with such claimed values? And are they the same anyway?

Nick Kearney

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:23:23 +1200

Two or three electorate seats is worthless for Mana except to avoid the ACT "problem" of relying on an electorate seat for your political survival. Parties need alternatives. Except for that reason, Mana should, if they are smart, focus on as many party votes as possible. That signifies success with…

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:39:48 +1200

What is the status of the Maori Party – Hone deal not to run against each other then? In the scrap bin?

The Maori Party intends to run against Hone. I suspect Mana does not intend to run against the Maori Party.

Kyle Matthews

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:57:29 +1200

What is the status of the Maori Party – Hone deal not to run against each other then? In the scrap bin?

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:48:26 +1200

Pita Sharples just indicated that he intends to stand an electorate candidate in Te Tai Tokerau in November.

Solomon Tipene: the Maori Party's Aaron Bhatnager.

Danyl Mclauchlan

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:36:25 +1200

Without a loss here, it may have been difficult for the Maori Party not to run in Te Tai Tokerau in November. They’re now in a better position to learn the lesson and take the deal.

Pita Sharples just indicated that he intends to stand an electorate candidate in Te…

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Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:36:25 +1200

Discussion from blog post.