Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: Gerry Brownlee is Innocent; or Free the Brownlee Three (updated)

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:44:42 +1300

Entranced...
Stuff and Labour have seen it, but it isn’t up on the CAA website or Scoop.
Stuff has more details here though it seems to have got lost again as other more important news comes to light – like a mid air brawl over a crying baby!
sigh....
(unless…

Rich of Observationz

Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:35:19 +1300

Apparently the report has been released, Stuff and Labour have seen it, but it isn't up on the CAA website or Scoop.

From what I can gather, Brownlee got the staff to open the Koru Club exit door and breezed past them before they could tell him to stop.

Steve Curtis

Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:27:03 +1300

door was merely unlocked, not even opened for him.

Locked doors or not, the words I heard he was knocking on it. But that is not the real issue, as it was part of the departure lounge he received an infringement notice for being in a normal passenger area. This…

Sacha

Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:36:03 +1300

and worse, it turns out the door was merely unlocked, not even opened for him.

Kevin McCready

Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:31:21 +1300

"Lawyerworld is a strange place."
Especially Graeme's. This article unfortunately is a mishmash and needs rewriting, not only for the update but also for the categorical statement of Brownlee's innocence. As has already been pointed out, knocking? on a door and going through when it's opened, is not the same…

Sacha

Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:56:56 +1300

The report is being redacted and released in the face of greater than expected interest, I heard the department's boss say on the radio. Expected it would take a couple of weeks.

Steve Curtis

Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:03:01 +1300

"..has not released its report into the breach. I would quite like to see it, so have requested it under the Official Information Act.'

Good luck with getting that any time before the next election. The reason is three little words.
John Archibald Banks.
The police report was finally used…

Sacha

Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:36:23 +1300

go through security to the Koru lounge

except in Welli that's reversed

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:46:51 +1300

Many hundreds of houses in Ilam/Fendalton are demolitions.

Yes, but there are thousands of houses that are not.

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:44:35 +1300

No, they allow more than that, especially for those with Koru club access. As it says on the link, you can turn up with no documentation beyond some form of ID, go through security to the Koru lounge and check in on a machine or at the counter. I used…

Hebe

Thu, 20 Nov 2014 00:45:30 +1300

Well yes, *most* people in Ilam had fairly minor quake damage.

Many hundreds of houses in Ilam/Fendalton are demolitions.

kw

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 20:05:09 +1300

Ah, but they'll say it's a living language. Or that we should be tolerant of typos. Both of which are true, but if you're paid to write for a living, you should know that there is no such word as layed, and apostrophes should come as easily as breathing, likewise…

Steve Curtis

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:05:37 +1300

So being booked on a flight is regarded as equivalent to having a boarding pass? In that case, then Brownlee had one?

Well no. If you have the booking app, you can check in 'on the day of travel' and THEN you get a boarding pass. As Brownlee was picking…

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:10:26 +1300

And see also:
If you're flying domestically in New Zealand with carry-on luggage only, you can check-in directly at our lounges in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin and Queenstown airports.

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:50:25 +1300

$2000 fee

Matthew Poole

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:40:22 +1300

I think that between the CAA and Brownlee's office they've pretty much dreamt up the $2k fine as a token that Something Was Done.

$200 fee.

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:33:38 +1300

Ah, my mistake, I didn't see the date..

Grant McDougall

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:28:31 +1300

Well yes, *most* people in Ilam had fairly minor quake damage. Fletchers were pretty quick (at least for those I know) to turn up and pull down chimneys, fill cracks, repaint walls and provide signoff. I’m sure they made lots of money doing this and left a majority of voters…

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:40:45 +1300

worked hard for his constituents

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:34:59 +1300

as the individual electronic means are counted as a boarding pass, that would be a no

So being booked on a flight is regarded as equivalent to having a boarding pass? In that case, then Brownlee had one?

I think that between the CAA and Brownlee's office they've pretty much…

Grant McDougall

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:29:19 +1300

At best, Brownlee came across as an entitled jerk.

He does. However, I don't thionkl he's a total mug. A mate of mine stood for Labour against Brownlee in Ilam in the 2002 election. I asked him what he thought of Brownlee and he said "he is a very effective…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:41:32 +1300

At best, Brownlee came across as an entitled jerk.

Steve Curtis

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:34:25 +1300

So are all AirNZ’s customers who don’t check in at the machines in Departures risking a fine?

Well, as the individual electronic means are counted as a boarding pass, that would be a no. Even without bags they have to go through 'security' first, which is of course what Brownlee…

Steve Curtis

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:55:14 +1300

The radio interview makes it clear that the airport employee 'didnt give permission to pass' as they are saying she immediately called a supervisor over the two way radio to advise of security breach.

The real issue is that Brownlee intentionally evaded security, it wasnt that he was lost or…

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:04:16 +1300

From the AirNZ website:
If you don't have any bags to check in, you are able to go straight to the gate to check in by scanning your ePass, Air NZ mobile app or the barcode on your electronic ticket and board your flight.

At Auckland at least, the whole…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:29:34 +1300

Flight Club, the rules....
The trespass offence has probably the strongest argument, but it is still weak, because Brownlee asked for, and received, permission to be where he was, which make his actions the antithesis of trespass.
To do that though he had to first confront a sign saying 'Exit…

Sacha

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:24:44 +1300

Lawyerworld is a strange place.

Graeme Edgeler

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:01:08 +1300

Does knocking on a door, walking through it when opened from the other side, and making a statement of action – not a question – count as that?

There's some chance, yes. And a few other reasons as well. I didn't go into it deeply in my post given that…

Graeme Edgeler

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:59:03 +1300

It seems (let's await the report) Gerry Brownlee didn't (legally) get in trouble for not going through security screening, but for being in a security area without a boarding pass. Which is kind of funny, because it means he would have broken then law even if he had gone through…

Sacha

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:43:51 +1300

Brownlee asked for, and received, permission to be where he was

Does knocking on a door, walking through it when opened from the other side, and making a statement of action – not a question – count as that?

Public Address

Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:43:50 +1300

Discussion from blog post.