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				<title>steve black</title>
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						<p>So let me get this right. You're complaining that an ad isn't 100% pure truth? </p><p>I believe that the Advertising Standards Authority has tested that and decided that is 100% allowed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:22:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>bits and pisces...</strong><br /><q>You can’t ban props! <br />Mabel Howard’s angry ghost <br />will hunt you down!</q><br />Now all I can see is a conflation<br />of bloomers and snapper...</p><p>Eureka! <br />Puffer Fish!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:49:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>why ?</q><br />The way Al Swearengen sez it, it is.<br />You watched Deadwood?<br />And I'm sure your friends are lovely people...</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:17:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Am I wrong in believing that the new amendments wouldn’t have saved Christie?</q></p><p>Akshay Chand was under 20, so had a near autotmatic right to bail. Had the law change been in effect, Police could have opposed bail on the ordinary adult standard, so it would have been more difficult…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:46:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Is it worth submitting? </q></p><p>It is worth submitting. I made a submission last time and got some changes.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:41:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>supermajority required for urgency</q></p><p>Maybe for introducing any legislation that's not appropriations? Otherwise the Opposition would drag the Budget out for years by forcing the government of the day to pass the Budget during ordinary sitting times and with public submissions. Urgency for the Budget is a long-standing tradition conducted…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:38:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Cameron Junge</title>
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						Yeah, what Matt said...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:35:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Cameron Junge</title>
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						<p>Am I wrong in believing that the new amendments wouldn't have saved Christie?</p><p>My understanding is that the tighter bail conditions are for a SECOND offence, while Christie was killed while Akshay was on bail for kidnapping her (his first offence).</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:35:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Has anyone pointed out that the so-called "Christie's Law" wouldn't have protected her, since Chand doesn't appear to have had prior convictions?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:33:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						You can't ban props! Mabel Howard's angry ghost will hunt you down!
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:27:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I notice there are submissions called for on a review of Standing Orders.</p><p>Is it worth submitting? I'd have several suggestions:<br />&ndash; removal of financial veto<br />&ndash; supermajority required for urgency<br />&ndash; a ban on bringing any kind of prop into the parliamentary chamber</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:11:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p><q>'Cocksuckers'</q></p><p>You think this is an insult, why ?</p><p>Some of my best friends ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:56:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>The Ruminator</title>
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						<p>I don't know why this is surprising.</p><p><q>taking credit for the law as it was during the previous government</q></p><p>They've blamed the previous Government for all of the cock-ups, so why wouldn't they take credit for the positive things?</p><p><br />And I use "positive" in the loosest way possible.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:10:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>The bill had a full legislative process.</q></p><p>Didn't see that one coming.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:28:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q><br />added six extra offences to the list of serious offences (basically: <em>underage sex</em><br /></q><br />Including sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 16. Tooooootally something against which society is in desperate need of protection. But I guess it helps make up the numbers.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:27:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>What were the pressing reasons given for passing it under urgency?</q></p><p>That was possibly an unnecessary dig from me. The bill had a full legislative process. The government is &ndash; this time &ndash; basically just using urgency to give themselves more time to pass a whole bunch of laws without…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:19:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><q>And what were the real reasons?</q></p><p>Need to distract from the Labour leadership contest? If the reaction of the National party is any indication, they're really worried Labour might do well out of the whole process.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:07:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>stumps me...</strong><br />What were the pressing reasons given for passing it under urgency?</p><p>And what were the real reasons?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:55:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>statement taking credit for the law as it was during the previous government. And that just seems wrong.</q></p><p>I'm channelling Al Swearengen here<br />'Cocksuckers'</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:21:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:39:10 +1200</pubDate>
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