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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>PRISM<br />N S A Strategic Partners</p><p>Through a glass darkly, indeed...<br />(though I'm not sure I can wait until the end of time to find out the truth...)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2015 09:01:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Glass plates of various Snowden released security documents – on display at the NZ 'Secret Power ‘exhibition’ by Simomn Denny at the Venice Biennale (aka the art olympics).</p><p>SPEARGUN<br />STORMBREW<br />RICE Hack techniques</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2015 08:58:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Taylor.</title>
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						<p>A <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/article/to-understand-project-cortex-look-to-einstein/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ZDNet article</a> compares Project CORTEX to the Department of Homeland Security's EINSTEIN program. </p><p><a href="https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/PIA%20NPPD%20E3A%2020130419%20FINAL%20signed.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">EINSTEIN's privacy impact assessment is public</a> (PDF) and even has sections in it about notice to the public being provided through website privacy policies.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 23:12:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Pattison</title>
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						<p>Maybe the advice that communications may be monitored by Cortex only applies to certain situations?</p><p>For example, presumably an initial inbound email will receive a very high level of scrutiny but, once communication is established, checking is relaxed. For companies ‘protected’ by Cortex, the coverage might apply to communication after…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:48:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>My thought was that it pointed to quite a lot of non-spooky stuff to do.</q></p><p>Yeah, it does, but Cortex doesn't really fit into the NZISM framework because NZISM is aimed at all the things that happen to bits that are not on the public intertubes. Once it's out in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:25:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Eaton</title>
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						Agreed.  My thought was that it pointed to quite a lot of non-spooky stuff to do.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:55:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q> I don’t plan on reading the entire NZISM but it looks perfectly genuine.</q></p><p>NZISM, unless it's changed significantly from the last time I looked at it, is the set of rules that apply to the establishment and operation of computer systems within government vis information security. Things like "you shall…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:12:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>But I wanted to flag that many of the items ripped out of website terms-of-use etc from various agencies, will be generic references to IDS/IPS type behaviors that are likely already-in-place, and likely also have nothing to do with Cortex, so assumptions should not be made.</q></p><p>Oh yes. Operating on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:03:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Foster</title>
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						If one wants to focus on the letter of what was said by Una Jagose, then fine (and i'll be looking forward to seeing what comes out of all of this).  But I wanted to flag that many of the items ripped out of website terms-of-use etc from various agencies,…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 11:55:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I fear paranoia does us a disservice.</q></p><p>I don't particularly care that an email I have sent the DPMC might be monitored by the GCSB computers systems, or even seen by GCSB employees.</p><p>My point is that they have said we would be told if something like this was happening,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 11:47:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Foster</title>
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						I think you can be fairly certain that if you send an email to mil.nz or govt.nz that your email is going to pass through several different checks &ndash; the usual antispam and antivirus checks and perhaps also some keyword checks for various things that are legitimate to their need…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 11:42:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I think Ben is right and there are no keys under this lamp post. </q></p><p>I am not really trying to find out what Cortex does with this blog post. I'm mostly trying to hold (to the extent a blog post and some tweets can) the GCSB and others to account…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 11:10:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Eaton</title>
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						<p>I think Ben is right and there are no keys under this lamp post.  Now, I don't plan on reading the entire <a href="http://www.gcsb.govt.nz/assets/GSCB-NZISM/NZISM-MAY-2015-v2.3.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NZISM</a> but it looks perfectly genuine.  That, and Cortex, seem likely to serve NZ cyber security as touted.</p><p>The task of developing+documenting security policy is significant in itself.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 11:03:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Protection from malware could also cover submissions to websites &mdash; eg, infected Office documents or PDFs. So one could plausibly claim that a website is protected by Cortex if user-generated content is filtered in some way.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 10:19:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>There’s other possibilities. DPMC haven’t got around to it. There is a disclaimer that says:</q></p><p>The alerting of those who are in contact with your computer systems to the possibility of cyber defence monitoring is supposedly a pre-condition to use of Cortex by an agency. If DPMC haven't got around…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:42:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						TBH, I doubt that they do actually sniff panties. More likely they block cyber attacks. It's dull work that needs to be talked up, both in importance and difficulty. Keeping the details secret is a pretty awesome way of doing that.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:37:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Ben, what’s your alternative solution?</q></p><p>What’s the problem, exactly? Finding out exactly how far Cortex reaches? I don’t have a solution. If it’s further than what seems right to people on the inside, I’d expect we’d find out via a whistleblower. But who knows what kind of people would want…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:18:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>But whether this blog post is pointing out the absurdity of Cortex not protecting the DPMC, or if it is pointing out that the DPMC etc. are lying by providing a privacy statement which forswears use of Cortex, or if it is pointing out that Jagose is wrong when she…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:06:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Eaton</title>
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						Well, it has been interesting looking.  Who knew there is a website called protectivesecurity.govt.nz ?  There is a search box there that does not know about "cortex".  There is a 562 page <a href="https://protectivesecurity.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/NZISM-v2.3-MAY-2015.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Information Security Manual</a> there.  All quite "open" really if probably outdated already.  You are in a maze of…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:02:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Frank Macskasy</title>
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						Thanks, Sacha.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:01:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Interesting question. Welcome Frank.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 22:43:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Frank Macskasy</title>
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						Ben, what's your alternative solution?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:58:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Um…presumably you’re all joking? Because:</p><p>In terms and conditions of use, <strong>for example</strong>.</q></p><p>According to <a href="http://www.gcsb.govt.nz/news/news/speaking-notes-for-speech-to-the-technology-and-privacy-forum-by-una-jagose-acting-director-government-communications-security-bureau/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jagose's speech</a>, an __ organisation obtaining the capability must consent to receiving it – and ... advise those who interact with their computer systems (staff, customers) that their communications may be accessed for cyber security…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:31:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Um...presumably you're all joking? Because:</p><p><q>In terms and conditions of use, <strong>for example</strong>.</q></p><p>is not the same is "In the terms and conditions of use, period". You can't infer the absence of Cortex from absence of the terms and conditions saying so. That's even if you're going to hold someone's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:37:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Foster</title>
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						<p>Almost all of these generic 'you may be monitored' clauses (including the ones from NZDF and such) may simply refer to internal monitoring capabilities from within their security departments.  The presence of a generic statement is not a tie to the GCSB.</p><p>I suspect those related to agencies who routinely…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:34:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Frank Macskasy</title>
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						<p>There's this reference in Spark NZ (The Telco Formerly Known As Telecom)'s T&C; </p><p>"The Operator and Spark Digital reserve the right to disclose end user information that it believes, in good faith, is appropriate or necessary to take precautions against liability; to protect the Operator and Spark Digital and others…</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q> My guess, is probably not.</q></p><p>I'm wondering if Paddy Gower is following this. 'You told me this, but Oh Noes', is pretty much his brand.</p>
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				<title>Mark Robinson</title>
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						The Aotearoa People's Network which provides free WiFi through Public Libraries has required acceptance of conditions including "monitoring" for years.
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>compare that to the phrasing we’ve seen so far</p><p><em>may be subject to monitoring.</em></p><p>then the sites found so far are failing to say what use the monitoring is for. What happened to the “for cyber defence purposes” guys?</q></p><p>They are indeed. I wonder if there is any agency that…</p>
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				<title>steve black</title>
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						<p>If I take a strict reading of what we are supposed to be told in the terms and conditions:</p><p><q>You’ll be told that your communications will be screened or may be screened for cyber defence purposes.</q></p><p>and compare that to the phrasing we've seen so far</p><p><q>may be subject to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:38:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.agresearch.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Terms-of-use.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">AgResearch</a> is a no (note: I did not have written permission for that link; Public Address may wish to delete it to avoid packs of rabid AgResearch lawyers trying to enforce the world's most stupid website TOU)<br /><a href="http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/site-help/privacy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Landcare</a> is a no.<br /><a href="http://www.niwa.co.nz/privacy-policy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NIWA</a> is a no (also <a href="http://www.niwa.co.nz/our-services/online-services/satellite-data-services/terms" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>)<br /><a href="http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/page/home/terms-of-use/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Plant &amp; Food</a>…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>And more:</p><p>there is language sufficient to fulfil the precondition about disclosure of monitoring at the <a href="http://www.infrastructure.govt.nz/aboutthissite/disclaimer" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National Infrastructure Unit</a> within treasury, but not <a href="http://www.treasury.govt.nz/aboutthissite/privacy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Treasury</a> itself.</p><p>And the <a href="http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/about-this-site/privacy-statement" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Energy Safety</a> unit within Worksafe NZ says "WorkSafe New Zealand systems to which this website connects and related equipment may be subject to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:52:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349457#post349457</link>
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						<p>Find one, and then Google does your work for you!</p><p>Two further possible Cortex-protectees:</p><p><a href="https://www.charities.govt.nz/privacy-statement/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Charities Service</a>!<br />And<br /><a href="http://www.nzdmo.govt.nz/aboutthissite/crowncopyright" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The New Zealand Debt Management Office</a>!</p><p>Similar language appears in the Privacy Statement on the website of <a href="http://www.maorilandonline.govt.nz/gis/privacy.htm?locale=en_NZ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Maori Land Court</a> which says "The Ministry of Justice systems to which this web…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:30:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349456#post349456</link>
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						<p><a href="https://www.vodafone.co.nz/legal/policy/privacy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Vodafone</a> <em>possibly</em> uses Cortex – section 3 of their Privacy policy. </p><p><q>3. Sharing your information<br />There may be times when we need to disclose your personal information to third parties (some of which may be based outside of New Zealand). If we do this, we will only disclose your information…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:26:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349455#post349455</link>
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						<p>Found one!</p><p>While the Ministry of Defence has not met the preconditions for protection by Cortex, the <a href="http://nzdf.mil.nz/footer-links/legal-notices.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">New Zealand Defence Force</a> has something. It doesn’t mention monitoring for cyber defence in particular, but I guess we can’t be too picky:</p><p><q>The New Zealand Defence Force systems to which this web…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:05:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Eaton</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349454#post349454</link>
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						<p>Orcon (ISP) have wonderfully vague T&amp;C including this labile (sic) one:</p><p>13.6 We may appoint subcontractors to discharge any of our obligations under our Terms and Conditions <br />provided that we will at all times remain primarily labile to you for those subcontractors’ acts and omissions.</p><p>As a matter of fact, Orcon…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:02:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Eaton</title>
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						<p>IRD T&amp;C and Privacy Policy seem quite clear and I could not see anything like this.  T&amp;C cover:<br />www.ird.govt.nz<br />www.kiwisaver.govt.nz<br />www.whatstax.govt.nz</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:50:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>Cortex sounds similar to Gore-Tex©<br />&ndash; blocks transit of hard water in, yet allows vapour out…</q></p><p>Gore-Tex© also doesn’t work anywhere near as effectively as it’s marketed in typical New Zealand conditions, for what it’s worth.  It’s mostly marketed and sold here because NZ just latches onto global demand trends,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:17:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>(Hence also references to <em>Cortext protection; Protect Cortext</em>.)</q></p><p>I typed that pretty much every time, and did correct a lot of them, but it was after midnight, and I had to get up at 5:00am!</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:10:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349448#post349448</link>
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						<p>Hmmm Cortex, a few thoughts….</p><p>Cortex sounds similar to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore-Tex" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gore-Tex©</a><br />&ndash; blocks transit of  hard water in, yet allows vapour out… <br />okay, maybe a stretch….<br />(and we all know John Key swears by PTFEs as well as PPPs.<br />PTFE expands to  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Polytetrafluoroethylene</a> – which makes Key’s favourite compound – itself…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:02:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349447#post349447</link>
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						<p><em>thunk</em> = the sound your brain makes when you try to make it do anything in the wee small hours. (Hence also references to <em>Cortext protection; Protect Cortext</em>.)</p><p>More seriously – now look out for these organisations to hurriedly update their terms and conditions…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:53:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349446#post349446</link>
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						<p>Not the Courts</p><p><a href="https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/utilities/privacy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/utilities/privacy</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:45:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/legal-beagle-crowdsourcing-project-cortex/?p=349445#post349445</link>
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						You'd have thunk, for a blog post I specifically asked for comments in, that I'd remember to turn comments on.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 06:33:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 06:33:22 +1300</pubDate>
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