Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: Breaking News: Man Shot by Police; or the $600 tweet

simon g

Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:35:12 +1200

Here is the media conference (edited extracts) by Supt. Chambers immediately after the shooting, a year ago:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=152969

It's worth noting the differences between the story then and now. Cerven is described as "an armed offender", which he was not. The AOS was not called. The fact that Cerven himself…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 01 Sep 2016 12:53:53 +1200

It's interesting that in the UK, a much scarier country with 15 times our population, there were a historically high four police shootings in the last 12 months (The long term average is around one a year).

In NZ, there have been five.

The UK police actually document publically how…

simon g

Thu, 01 Sep 2016 11:15:29 +1200

So the report is out. Headline exonerates, but the details don’t:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702509

TLDR: police got it tragically wrong, but IPCA can’t bring itself (himself) to say so, despite the evidence, because then there would be consequences. Shame.

There is no Slovakian constituency in NZ, no media voices raised on David’s…

simon g

Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:31:58 +1200

A man has been shot dead by police in Hamilton. It would be entirely wrong to make any judgement about the circumstances of his death, and I am absolutely not doing so here.

I would note, however, that a gun has been found at the location, and this has been…

Lyndon Hood

Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:59:05 +1200

It is difficult to see a distinction that could clearly distinguish a death resulting from someone purposefully stepping in front of a train as self-inflicted, but allowing...

Not completely sure: there's no human agency whatsoever that would stop a moving train in that kind of timeframe – this is quite…

Graeme Edgeler

Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:08:42 +1200

Or as a more common example, a suicide bombing.

That's a much better example. Stealing it from now on :-)

Is there some sort of “in the public interest” override that can be used as a defence against section 71?

Nope. Questions of the public interest are supposed to be…

Jarno van der Linden

Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:02:50 +1200

But the suspicion is there, and it may be that should a similar event happen again, it would be illegal to tell New Zealanders that a plane has crashed, lest the manner of the pilot’s death be revealed.

Or as a more common example, a suicide bombing. Although the more…

Jeremy Andrew

Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:51:42 +1200

For use in spin-detangling: An Interactive Guide to Ambiguous Grammar

simon g

Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:30:23 +1200

It was obvious from the initial police press conference that he was unarmed. Even if we allow for the most unlikely circumstances (e.g. the deceased flinging a weapon a long way from his body just before he died), the scene investigation would have established the truth almost immediately. But the…

BenWilson

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:30:12 +1200

This is obviously ridiculous. The law should not automatically suppress the fact that police have shot and killed someone. Not only should it not automatically be suppressed, I’m not sure it should ever be suppressed. The death of someone at the hands of those exercising state power is an issue…

chris

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:30:46 +1200

He said it was a reminder that people driving alone late at night in areas with bars and hotels should keep their doors locked.

That sounds strangely famliar.

Joe Wylie

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:25:42 +1200

I was drunk m'lud.
But being "from a good family" rates as a get out of jail free card.

chris

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:10:04 +1200

No doubt you’ve caught up with this too. Who are all these people? Why are the heads of their industries coming out to bat for them and in turn tarring any number of prominent people in their industry as possible suspects? Is this suspect the same person as either of the…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:09:17 +1200

There's a bit of a pattern here of NZ banning stuff:
– this and other suicide incidents
– Into the River
– infringements of election rules
– not to mention the unmentionable events in Northland

I'm not convinced that having our free speech curtailed like this is justified by Bad…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:58:52 +1200

It appears that the guy had been granted a $3000 grant by Social Welfare to move to Christchurch to find work, he was unable to secure a job and as a result was charged with benefit fraud and had a warrant out for his arrest.

That whole WINZ 'promotion'…

Steve Barnes

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:14:49 +1200

So, if the cops shoot someone and the coroner suspects the victim may have had suicidal tendencies the whole thing is hushed up. I thought assisted suicide was illegal in this country so it would follow that the police should be charged?
, yes?.
There is this story from the…

Paul Campbell

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:37:14 +1200

Here in Dunedin we have a related case – where a potential suicide commingled with a large theft scandal within the city council and the Coroner’s Act has meant that public discussion of the city’s response to the scandal (for example in the online ODT) has been squashed – there…

Public Address

Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:37:14 +1200

Discussion from blog post.