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		<title>Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: A war crimes inquiry; or why Nicky Hager is wrong</title>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Why do organisations like the NZDF deny, dissemble, distract? Why do they run down the clock?</p><p>Because they know it works. They know it won't be leading the news for long. Even though it is far more important than many "big" stories of today, it won't be leading the six…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<p>And now the Government is being <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/332647/un-asks-nz-to-investigate-2010-afghan-raids" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">prodded by the UN</a>...<br />"Please indicate what measures the State party has put in place to ensure that all allegations relating to 'Operation Burnham' will be fully investigated and addressed."</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:04:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						Tony Blair? George W. Bush? Oh wait... they both got away with it, didn't they.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 15:39:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Can anyone name a single instance where a politician or senior military officer has been successfully prosecuted for a war crime other than after their government has lost a war/revolution?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 15:27:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>like the International Criminal Court, yes</p><p></q></p><p>Which is why English's decision is the dumbest he could make. NZDF being indicted in the ICC is a hundred times worse than being investigated in NZ by a Commission of Inquiry.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 11:31:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>or another authority</q></p><p>like the International Criminal Court, yes</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:05:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the addition of a brief response from Nicky Hager</q></p><p>and if you want to see how pettily mendacious the Harold's editors are being, see the <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1703/S00400/complaint-on-story-published-by-the-herald-and-newstalkzb.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">full response</a> and note what's missing at Granny's site.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:02:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p>Looks like an inquiry is out &ndash; so is it now a possibility for the lawyers representing the villagers to hand over what evidence they have to the Police or another authority that can investigate?</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91163021/no-basis-for-probe-into-hager-book-allegations-says-english" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91163021/no-basis-for-probe-into-hager-book-allegations-says-english</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 20:58:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Do go along. Really compelling presenter in the flesh.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 20:57:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						Something for Chchch readers to do this Thursday evening...
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:27:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>It's interesting that the link in my post above to Soaper's <em>"EXCLUSIVE"</em> no longer works. The story still exists <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=11829546" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> albeit in a modified form with the word <em>exclusive</em> missing from the title and the addition of a brief response from Nicky Hager. </p><p>In terms of jurisdiction, I see the Metropolitan…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:52:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>Barry Soper thinks he has a scoop in today's Herald. Under the headline, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11828849" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Exclusive: Another shadow cast over accuracy of Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson book</a> he calls into question the authenticity of a photograph used in <em>Hit and Run</em>.</p><p><q>The photo shows spent weapon cartridges, and suggests they were found…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:17:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Paul Buchanan makes a <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/31-03-2017/an-inquiry-into-the-hit-and-run-claims-is-now-essential-and-there-is-an-obvious-person-to-lead-it/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">different suggestion</a>.</p><p><q>It has been suggested that the New Zealand Police conduct an investigation of the events that fateful August night. I disagree. The police have an mixed history of when it comes to reviewing the actions of uniformed staff and have a vested interest in…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:05:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Do we have a separation of powers problem here?</q></p><p>The Army has an obligation to investigate allegations of war crimes.</p><p>The Police also have jurisdiction.</p><p>There may be a problem here (perhaps predetermination?) but I don't think it's a separation of powers issue. Investigating crimes is the job of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:26:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p>Anyone else find this comment by Bill English confusing – it seems he is abrogating his responsibility to make this decision on behalf of the electorate (public) that he represents;</p><p><q>"He [Lt Gen Keating] will tell us whether he thinks there is a basis there with any new evidence or…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:09:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Indeed, Mapp makes no mention at all of the book <em>Hit and Run</em> in that post. Which under the circumstances is quite a spectacular feat.<br />Nevertheless <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/30-03-2017/as-a-nation-we-owe-it-to-ourselves-to-find-out-former-defence-minister-wayne-mapp-admits-he-was-a-source-for-hit-and-run/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Spinoff has reported it as an admission</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:12:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Wayne Mapp has posted on Pundit revealing that he was one of the sources for the book.</q></p><p>Wayne Mapp has posted on Pundit that he has been interviewed by Jon Stephenson. He does not say he was one of the sources for the book.<br />(He may well be, but he…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 17:55:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						Wayne Mapp has <a href="http://pundit.co.nz/content/operation-burnham" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">posted on Pundit</a> revealing that he was one of the sources for the book.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 17:52:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><q>They were expecting opposition and interpreted innocent civilian action incorrectly because of the misaprehended context.</q></p><p>My impression is that the SAS got the right houses for the people they were looking for (the ones that had been shooting at NZ soldiers a few days earlier) but that the actual combatants…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:19:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p><q>Have Hager or Stephenson given any indication as to why their coordinates were inaccurate?</q><br />The impression I get is that they knew the villages were in the northern part of the Tirgiran valley so assigned them to those two villages based on satellite pictures.  However, they must've got the scale…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:50:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						"Tirgiran village does not exist" but this is where the NZDF SAS thought they were, such a poor understanding of their location perhaps explains the shoot first ask questions later approach. They were expecting opposition and interpreted innocent civilian action incorrectly because of the misaprehended context.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:11:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p>Have Hager or Stephenson given any indication as to why their coordinates were inaccurate?</p><p>It’s a relatively minor error in a sense but they offered this information as an indication of precision in their overall argument.</p><p>Perhaps someone  just transposed a few numbers.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:00:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>"no dead 3 year olds, then?"</q></p><p>start em young <br />#surgeons</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 17:42:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>they may look stupid but the entire story is now 100% fixed on map locations, village names and not the actual events, you know the actual story/allegations – the spin has spun the story into the realm the public will now zone out of, if they’ve not already… which doesn’t…</q>
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						I wonder if anyone's checked whether the supposed insurgents were removed from any wanted lists after this raid, or whether they were listed as killed in any other, later raids. If NZSAS were working from good intel, they should have names...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:25:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>OK, "no dead 3 year olds, then?". Come on, it's not hard to see the elephant, even with Keating's dust-throwing.</p><p>(the follow-up questions were poor, just listen to them again)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:19:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>The follow-up questions at Keating’s press conference were the first sign the tactic was working (short-term, at least): the assembled journalists kind of forgot to say “So General, no dead people then?”.</q></p><p>He quite clearly stated there were dead people. He said they were all insurgents, one killed by the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:14:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Expect next revelation: dead girl was actually 4 years old. Woo hoo, we're off the hook!</p><p>The follow-up questions at Keating's press conference were the first sign the tactic was working (short-term, at least): the assembled journalists kind of forgot to say "So General, no dead people then?".</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>right now I imagine the comms team and/or PR peeps at NZDF are feeling pretty good about this skirmish</q></p><p>Except that they put Keating in a position where he basically lied, while proclaiming integrity. Not a clever thing to do to the boss.</p>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						they may look stupid but the entire story is now 100% fixed on map locations, village names and not the actual events, you know the actual story/allegations &ndash; the spin has spun the story into the realm the public will now zone out of, if they've not already... which doesn't…
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						<p><q> It just makes them look stupid.</q></p><p>Perhaps it's not just the look...</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><q>After reading Jon Stephenson's rebuttal, I think some comms idiot gave Keating appalling advice. JS makes it clear that the two villages named in the book are part of the area that Keating names. Someone's in trouble at NZDF...</q></p><p>I just can't understand why, having had their arse handed to…</p>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						Not come across that acronym before, makes me very happy. Internet pictures made up out of various scattered letters for light and shade C1989. #soami
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:53:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>But it's been around since forever. Back before the internet had pictures, even<br /> <em> #FuckI'mOld </em></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:01:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						IANAL contender for WOTY.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:34:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						After reading <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-03-2017/hit-run-author-jon-stephenson-responds-to-wrong-village-riposte-from-nz-defence-force/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jon Stephenson's rebuttal</a>, I think some comms idiot gave Keating appalling advice. JS makes it clear that the two villages named in the book are part of the area that Keating names. Someone's in trouble at NZDF...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:03:40 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>David Fisher says the NZDF has destroyed evidence critical of our involvement in Afghanistan to prevent the media getting hold of it.</q></p><p>IANAL but that might put them in breach of the <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345529.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Public Records Act 2005</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:57:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>David Fisher says the NZDF has destroyed evidence critical of our involvement in Afghanistan to prevent the media getting hold of it. </p><p><q>Evidence relied on by the NZ Defence Force to shelve a highly critical report of our decade-long deployment to Afghanistan was destroyed, it has said.</p><p>This means there…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:15:05 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Debatable, if you read the material I linked.</q></p><p>I presume you’re referring to one of my earlier comments Rich &mdash; probably my reference to war crimes. According to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court</a>…</p><p><q>A war crime is an act that constitutes a serious violation of the law…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:10:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<q>Kathryn Ryan said RNZ had discovered a NYTimes report from 2010 – two days after the abortive raid reported in Hit and Run. That report named the same two villages as the book, which suggests that the Defense Department’s “Look… over there… another village” claim is complete and utter bollocks.</q>…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:08:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Debatable, if you read the material I linked.</p><p>The Geneva Conventions were drafted and agreed as a lowest common denominator, covering desperate, 1941 type situations and attempting to provide something that would be accepted by states very far from being liberal democracies. </p><p>One issue here, which could be explored by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:42:06 +1300</pubDate>
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						This is interesting. Speaking with <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201838259/media-commentator-gavin-ellis" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gavin Ellis</a> this morning, Kathryn Ryan said RNZ had discovered a NYTimes report from 2010 &mdash; two days after the abortive raid reported in <em>Hit and Run</em>. That report named the same two villages as the book, which suggests that the Defense Department's __"Look... over…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:35:34 +1300</pubDate>
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						Well, he made a full three-handed shake of that, didn't he :-/
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:58:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>ego and potentially good PR material... </q></p><p>You nailed it in one, Bob.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:15:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						ego and potentially good PR material methinks &ndash; PM got him some guts action
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:55:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>asks why a final green light for the failed operation was ever required from then PM John Key.</q></p><p>I had wondered about that aspect. Was it the obvious potential for civilian deaths?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:50:22 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Whoever in the chain of command found themselves in court could rely on the fact that they had information that the village was a “military objective”.</q></p><p>That excuse wouldn't hold water for the second raid several days later, where they blew up the remaining parts of the civilian homes they'd…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:49:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Seems to me that any prosecution would come unstuck on the "which are not military objectives" bit. Whoever in the chain of command found themselves in court could rely on the fact that they had information that the village was a <a href="https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"military objective"</a>.</p><p>Of course, what is defensible under the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:44:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>limiting the terms of reference of any inquiry</q><br />Or to describe it more correctly....<br />Making sure the shit don't stick.</p><p>You may not have guessed it, but I have a low opinion of people who do this kind of thing, politicians and others.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:03:28 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Dr Jon Johansson, a senior lecturer in politics at Victoria University, discusses the relationship between the military and politicians and asks why a final green light for the failed operation was ever required from then PM John Key. </p><p><q>Bill English, an empiricist if ever there was one, needs to familiarise…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 13:59:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>The illegal and unjustified Police raid on Nicky Hager’s home following the publication of Dirty Politics would tend to suggest otherwise.</q></p><p>Granted. But the lawyers representing the villagers, if unhappy with the outcome of an in-country Police investigation, I assume have remedy to thereafter refer the matter to a higher…</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						I also find it disturbing that Bill English is “not ruling out” an inquiry – but accepts the NZDF position that “the allegations of war crimes now seem to apply to some other place” and therefore (accepting that location difference as fact), it would “very much narrow down the scope…
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						<p><q>The executive branch of government has far less influence in respect of a Police investigation than it would an inquiry, I suspect.</q></p><p>The illegal and unjustified Police raid on Nicky Hager's home following the publication of <em>Dirty Politics</em> would tend to suggest otherwise.</p>
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						<p><q>You may note that I’m suggesting an investigation is the most important thing.</q></p><p>And given the most recent developments, I think an investigation &ndash; as opposed to an inquiry &ndash; is the only way to go. I assume the legal team acting for the villagers can file a complaint with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:52:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>You may note that I’m suggesting an investigation is the most important thing.</q></p><p>Indeed. But given the barely credible spin being employed this morning, can you appreciate my scepticism that either this government or an SAS-dominated military can be trusted to conduct a genuinely independent investigation?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:21:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Sorry Graeme, but you have to forgive those of us who hold a cynical view of “independent” enquiries set up by this government and see them as a convenient way of brushing serious issues under the carpet.</q></p><p>You may note that I'm suggesting an investigation is the most important thing.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 08:40:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Sorry Graeme, but you have to forgive those of us who hold a cynical view of “independent” enquiries set up by this government and see them as a convenient way of brushing serious issues under the carpet. </p><p>As an example, take Judith Collins’ shameful role in <em>Dirty Politics</em>. The facts…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 08:08:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I suspect none of the war crimes investigations carried out by MPs in other countries included allegations against a former Chief of Defence and Governor-General, the current Chief of Defence, the current Chief of the Army, and the Deputy Chief of the Army.</q><br />Allegations against such figures, or their US…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 00:15:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Have any of the countries where you’re suggesting non MP police investigate war crimes actually successfully done so?</q></p><p>None I know of. But I haven't looked very far. I suspect none of the war crimes investigations carried out by MPs in other countries included allegations against a former Chief of…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I guess a better question would be: Have any of the countries where you're suggesting non MP police investigate war crimes actually successfully done so? Has what you're saying ever actually happened, with any success?
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						I'm fine if the govt decide to do nothing and this ends up with the ICC. Screw em.
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				<title>PaulL</title>
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						The serious fraud office perhaps?  They deal with serious and political crimes, and there's arguably fraud here.  A quick read of their website says their remit is largely financial, but you never know.
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>The police prosecution service’s consistent abdication of action on many political matters in recent decades seems highly material. Wouldn’t trust them to put out a fire in a rubbish bin, let alone conduct an investigation into something authority-challenging like this.</q></p><p>Well, the other possible organisation in New Zealand that I…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Article 29—Non-applicability of statute of limitations<br />The crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court shall not be subject to any statute of limitations.</p><p>I couldn’t find authority on our military police being subject to any statute of limitations. Limitation Act 2010 doesn’t mention police, military or war.</q></p><p>The limitation act…</p>
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						<p><q> considered expanding on the likely inadequacies of a police investigation, but</q></p><p>The police prosecution service's consistent abdication of action on many political matters in recent decades seems highly material. Wouldn't trust them to put out a fire in a rubbish bin, let alone conduct an investigation into something authority-challenging like…</p>
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				<title>Kevin McCready</title>
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						<p>The International Crimes and International Criminal Court Act 2000 (NZ)<br />Article 29—Non-applicability of statute of limitations<br />The crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court shall not be subject to any statute of limitations.</p><p>I couldn't find authority on our military police being subject to any statute of limitations. Limitation Act…</p>
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				<title>Kevin McCready</title>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/327353/afghan-raids-evidence-of-cover-up,-lawyers-say" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/327353/afghan-raids-evidence-of-cover-up,-lawyers-say</a></p><p>Hager may be 'wrong headed' Graeme, but his whole legal team et.al? The book has already broken the silence on the deaths in Afghanistan and as you suggest good legal advice, in a criminal proceeding will probably shut the whole situation down for good. An inquiry may be a…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I’m certainly not going to substitute my “reckons” for proper legal analysis, but it’s worth considering how a NZ police investigation would actually happen.</p><p>...</p><p>Perhaps the NZ police would show the same independence and determination as Jon Stephenson. But given their track record on challenging their political overlords, even…</q></p>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p>I would approach the villages involved to see if they would want an investigation of possible war crimes or rather some form of reconcilation process.</p><p>An investigation would take time and money with possibly no satisfactory outcome.</p>
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						<p>I'm certainly not going to substitute my "reckons" for proper legal analysis, but it's worth considering how a NZ police investigation would actually happen.</p><p>They would presumably be transported to Afghanistan by the NZDF, housed and fed by the NZDF, given security at the scene by the NZDF, etc. (or…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:44:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>ETA: I mean the local bobbies investigating war crimes committed abroad by their armed forces. It sounds hopelessly impractical.</q></p><p>Much of the investigation would of course occur in New Zealand. Documents held by the NZDF will be held here, and the intelligence officers and SAS soldiers you would need to…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>With respect to your last sentence, Graeme, why “should we not let that happen”? Meaning, why is it a less satisfactory body to conduct the investigation?</q></p><p>Several reasons:<br />1. This is how it’s supposed to work. Countries that have signed up to war crimes treaties with the intention of meeting…</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						With respect to your last sentence, Graeme, why "should we not let that happen"? Meaning, why is it a less satisfactory body to conduct the investigation?
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						The legal advice to STFU has been closely observed, from the grunts all the way up the food chain to the Minister. The conspiracy of silence, as you point out Graeme, has led to corruption of evidence, crumbling of memory and statutes of limitations being reached. The accused innocents with…
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Thanks Graeme, good to hear some sense on this matter amongst all the bull from both Left and Right.<br />Question , has anyone in the NZ forces been tried for a War Crime?<br />Google doesn't say yes but did throw this up<br />"Date: 29 September 1994 Detective Senior Sergeant Steve…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Has this been done elsewhere in the world?</p><p>ETA: I mean the local bobbies investigating war crimes committed abroad by their armed forces. It sounds hopelessly impractical.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						ps In light of Nicky's comments that he thought Police were not the appropriate organisation to investigate war crimes in New Zealand, I sought comment a few days ago from Crown Law as to whether anyone other than the Police or Military Police could do so. The request was acknowledged,…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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