Public Address | Cafe | Legal Beagle: A rather incomplete submission on the Countering Terrorist Fighters Legislation Bill

NSA

Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:37:19 +1300

In a carpeted existence it’s easy to forget the world of hard floors. What I’d give for a vacuum cleaner and a supple surface to work it over. What’s the bet this guy’s on the watch list, he sounds a bit too Islamic not to be. The authorities, on the ball…

BenWilson

Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:51:24 +1300

Yes, it really sucks.

Kyle Matthews

Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:48:27 +1300

GROUP HUG! Seriously, I was stewing a bit doing the vacuuming just now and I appreciate this.

Fucking vacuuming. I hate it too.

NSA

Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:32:21 +1300

Is anyone gonna even tell him? Someone probably already did.

NSA

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:21:35 +1300

We all know how God is all part of the plot.

And heaven help those who rent their place out to someone on the watch list, that's a heck of an imposition to make on the good honest kiwi's investment and who'd want to live with or rent a place…

NSA

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:41:48 +1300

My apologies I fudged the link explaining Kitteridge’s choice of reading material above (amongst the pages of typos). It’s possibly worth noting that she was not reading from ‘a manual’ per se but from the 4th issue of ISIS’s Dabiq magazine. I’m uncertain whether the SIS are paid subscribers or…

NSA

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 17:38:43 +1300

Stephen is both pedantically and actually correct in his statement.

He is, as I mentioned a similar explanation had been given in that Guardian article.

The Independent says that the hack came through the Gigya CDN it uses, writing that “hackers redirected some users to their site or to display…

Matthew Poole

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:21:50 +1300

For the record: Stuff, per se, was not hacked.

Thanks for that Stephen, though I’m unsure of your professional affiliations here, so I raise an eyebrow at the strictness of interpretation of the term ‘hacked’ that you’re employing.

I'm not sure why Stephen's affiliations are in the least bit relevant.…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:57:57 +1300

What if the SIS was re-purposed to fish for tax evaders and money launderers? It's a safe bet we'll hear a loud a chorus of "KGB!" from those cheering on the law changes going through.

NSA

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:53:00 +1300

dismiss the Prime Minister as an untrustworthy prevaricator who is misleading the country

Hear hear. What keeps me glued to my set is NZMSM’s propensity to regurgitate all this whimsy and jargon with very little in the way of thorough examination of what they’re typing or saying. The new word…

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:16:48 +1300

Trouble up at mill, Guv...
One wonders if it is not time for the Governor General to either refuse to 'rubber stamp' National's rushed increased SIS powers legislation
or
dismiss the Prime Minister as an untrustworthy prevaricator who is misleading the country and thereby the Queen.
(proroguing a gallery of…

NSA

Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:47:28 +1300

@NSA, 13 terrorist attacks in twelve years in China is 1 per billion people per annum. At that rate NZ would expect one every 250 years.

Yes, that’s basically what I’m getting at Tussock, highlighting the difference between a country with an ongoing terrorist threat as opposed to one where…

tussock

Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:59:29 +1300

@NSA, 13 terrorist attacks in twelve years in China is 1 per billion people per annum. At that rate NZ would expect one every 250 years.

Anyway, urgent legislation happens to counter urgent events. The recent urgent event being Kim Dotcom's big show before the election where a reporter showed…

NSA

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:32:52 +1300

Anyway, after much consideration, here’s the flag (fit for purpose).

NSA

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:32:08 +1300

We should be having nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Yeah. On the 3rd of April 2002, a bomb described as a “simple fuse device" detonated in Tianfu Square in Chengdu, Sichuan, one individual was seriously injured, and many others were hurt in the blast. On February 26th 2003 [[http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/node/30109|two…

Stephen Judd

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:41:21 +1300

Anyway no offence intended Stephen and my apologies for any that was caused.

GROUP HUG! Seriously, I was stewing a bit doing the vacuuming just now and I appreciate this.

BenWilson

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:49:13 +1300

That Dominique Prieur and Commander Alain Mafart were only captured with the assistance of a Neighbourhood Watch group is damning evidence that the SIS were well out of their depth when it comes to that which they’re mandated to actually handle.

I see it as evidence that the main way…

NSA

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:32:35 +1300

Of course I am a bit sensitive to the implication that my colleagues have fallen down on the job.

Yeah that was what rubbed me the wrong way I think, I don’t imagine that them having fallen down on the job would be a widely held assumption, given the scope…

Stephen Judd

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:11:55 +1300

I've never been employed by Fairfax. I have run the team that does the tech side of Stuff for Fairfax, working for Catalyst. Hasn't been my gig for about three years though. Of course I am a bit sensitive to the implication that my colleagues have fallen down on the…

NSA

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:42:19 +1300

the Rainbow Warrior

This telling piece by Jane Kelsey paints a remarkably different picture of NZSIS’s priorities compared to say the brief presented by the PM or any of the other propaganda folk are likely to run into. In running such a misguided and chaotic operation, it’s not difficult…

NSA

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:43:38 +1300

Sorry I was at the murder house getting a crown. I'm aware my response above may have seemed abrupt Stephen, it's certainly nothing personal, and an explanation is in order. Please note that my reply is expressly contingent on this layperson's assumption that you may still be affiliated/ employed by…

Trevor Nicholls

Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:34:46 +1300

We have never been attacked by terrorists. We've never intercepted any to foil an impending attack by them.

Just wait for civil unrest and peaceful protest to be reclassified as domestic terrorism. It won't take long.

NSA

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:38:51 +1300

Mea culpa

(Reuters)

– The websites of British and North American media organisations and retailer Wal-Mart’s Canadian unit were hacked on Thursday in a suspected attack by the Syrian Electronic Army,

it’s common enough, depends on the choice of hat.

I also believe him to be someone who knows-of-what-he-speaks and…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:33:23 +1300

I do raise an eyebrow at the strictness of interpretation of the term ‘hacked’ that you’re employing.
Mea culpa:
'twas I that introduced the loose terminology 'hacked' and I believe Stephen was responding to my looseness-of-concept-without-proof.
I also believe him to be someone who knows-of-what-he-speaks and whose clarification and insights…

NSA

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:14:50 +1300

For the record: Stuff, per se, was not hacked.

Thanks for that Stephen, though I’m unsure of your professional affiliations here, so I raise an eyebrow at the strictness of interpretation of the term ‘hacked’ that you’re employing. For users, the site was compromised and unviewable for about fifteen minutes.…

BenWilson

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:51:38 +1300

Yes, I think I'm wrong about there never being any terrorist stuff, depending what you mean. There was also a suicide bombing of the Whanganui police computer in '82, and a bridge blown up in 1951, probably over industrial dispute. But it's been 30 years since any of those things.…

FletcherB

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:10:40 +1300

Yes, that was what I was referring to. It’s as close as we’ve ever got.

Somewhat off-topic, but the 1984 Wellington Trades-Hall bombing might also have been terrorist-ic in nature? (presumably a lone attacker rather than group?)

Stephen Judd

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:31:03 +1300

For the record: Stuff, per se, was not hacked.

Stuff, like many other sites, uses a service called Gigya to do so-called social login and provide commenting services. Gigya’s DNS records were compromised last night – not sure how that happened – and that enabled someone to make gigya.com point…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:19:06 +1300

partisan hacks...
You mean all the news has been substituted for dubious partisan propaganda? It’s always like that…
nice...

I see that APN (NZ Herald) seemingly escaped being hacked – probably as it is so lacking in influence, and is seen as helping the hackers aims rater than hindering them…

Rich of Observationz

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:56:53 +1300

[stuff] seems still to be broken

You mean all the news has been substituted for dubious partisan propaganda? It's always like that...

Paul Campbell

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:23:51 +1300

Tangentially stuff.co.nz was hacked last night,

The Indedendent was showing that an hour ago – maybe they got to some common hosting resource, or maybe the underlying caching infrastructure

EDIT: seems still to be broken

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:00:12 +1300

SIStemic failures...
here's a link to an older article
including the Murdoch Report into NZ Security services from 2009
Threats also included "transboundary criminality, civilisational friction, resource rivalry and energy brinkmanship".

Meanwhile the UK Govt blames Facebook for their own inadequacies...

John Key must have had extra tutoring at the G20...

BenWilson

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:34:13 +1300

Yes, that was what I was referring to. It's as close as we've ever got. It's an astonishing sham that we could be cramming through legislation over something for which there isn't even one single incident in our entire nation's history to justify these powers. We have never been attacked…

Joe Wylie

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:16:49 +1300

we haven’t had an actual terrorist attack since the 1980s

Assuming that you're referring to the Rainbow Warrior, I rather doubt that Key would consider that a terrorist attack. Thatcher certainly didn't. I recall her angrily cutting short questions from a journalist who had the temerity to suggest that it…

BenWilson

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:08:10 +1300

It would be nice to hear from the PM why Terrorism became so urgent, when it wasn't even on the radar as an issue for the election that we just had, and we haven't had an actual terrorist attack since the 1980s, our sole data point of evidence of any…

Matt Crawford

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:34:47 +1300

I managed to submit something just before midnight. Apologies in advance to the committee for the spelling errors – give us a longer period to submit and you wont get something typed half-asleep in bed.

Submitting via the form is incredibly easy – so easy I almost expect in the…

NSA

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:22:48 +1300

Tangentially stuff.co.nz was hacked last night, I began receiving these messages there and only there at about 3:07NZ time. I thought I was a target(?), but a google search revealed that they, whoever they may be, hit news sites, so I blanked my post above, assuming it would be in the…

BenWilson

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:10:56 +1300

Key and co are just using fear to dragoon the country into more draconian control, and I'd warrant at the instigation of others beyond our shores (or at least to curry favour with same).

But can one put that in a submission? Essentially my main problem with it is the…

NSA

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:00:41 +1300

Key and co are just using fear to dragoon the country into more draconian control,

Damn straight Ian, People seriously want to go fight abroad and the Government’s answer to that is confiscating their passports and what? Wait and see if they take kindly to that? Is there travel insurance…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 07:38:55 +1300

if I could turn back time...
Yesterday would have been the day to go here: submissions
There seems to be a mistake in their wording:
This is an omnibus bill, introduced under Standing Order 263(a), that proposes amendments to the Customs and Excise Act 1996, the New Zealand Security Intelligence…

Martin Roberts

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 06:35:48 +1300

You seem to have read the actual text, which is more than I did. Having only caught the news yesterday, and seen that the online submission form was still open, I dashed off a few thoughts based on the introductory notes.

That online form is very handy for short comments.…

NSA

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 03:08:51 +1300

Paul Campbell

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:34:35 +1300

How does one even make a submission? thank's to National's cutbacks mail service from here Dunedin now spends a day in Christchurch before going anywhere

(yes I know one can probably doi it on line, but there's a whole generation or two still around for who that is largely still…

Public Address

Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:34:35 +1300

Discussion from blog post.