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				<title>jon_knox</title>
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						Here's a pretty reasonable telco sector assessment of the <a href="http://www.telco2.net/blog/2008/10/looking_beyond_the_credit_cris.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">impacts of the credit crunch</a> for those interested in Telco trends.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:03:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>speaking of the metaphor in this post title...</p><p>From the <a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-factory3-2008nov03,1,2982466.story" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">LA Times</a>:</p><blockquote><p>First, Tao Shoulong burned his company's financial books. He then sold his private golf club memberships and disposed of his Mercedes S-600 sedan. </p><p>And then he was gone.</p><p>And just like that, China's biggest textile dye operation --…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:58:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						I think the article Gareth Morgan wrote for the listener that David's original post references is this <a href="http://www.gmi.co.nz/pages/content.aspx?PID=29" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one</a>, which wasn't available via the Listener site at the time.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:13:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>I wonder what <a href="http://crikey.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://crikey.com.au</a> Canberra correspondent Bernard Keane has got to say now?</p><p>Do you reckon he reads the SMH? If so, he's in for a bigger shock than when the Aussie cricket team got thrashed by India the other day...</p><p><a href="http://business.smh.com.au/business/world-gives-aussie-dollar-a-walloping-20081026-5910.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">World gives Aussie dollar a walloping</a></p><blockquote><p>The big fall…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:03:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Seamus, I agree with you re: the Greens in the main, We can talk about the history we can compare the imperialism of the <strong>mongolian</strong> yuan dynasty with the crusades or the ming's imperialism with the British,  or we can talk about right now, the 2008 election, in the 21st…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:03:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>I think the main damage to Fonterra's and NZ's reputation will be outside China.</p><p><br />Will be interesting to see how the Chinese government treats Fonterra in the aftermath of the thing though.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:01:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						It's been interesting seeing comment here too on the harm to NZ's reputation from the milk scandal. Anecdotal comment from friends and workmates (some of the latter being specialists in the China export trade) says that NZ has actually come fairly well out of it, and demand for NZ milk…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:45:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>All good points Sam. </p><p>I'm not predicting CCP influence in NZ is going to be changed in any way by the outcome of the comming election.</p><p>Of course the survey is small and unscientific.  That said, the interview comments were interesting, and the findings gel with my experiences of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:15:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>we are not talking about some nebulous fringe element here. We are talking about the majority of PRC-born New Zealanders. Moreover, the inexplicable personal bias in question is completely external to New Zealand.</p><p>Seems remarkable enough to be worth commenting on.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry not to have mentioned on this earlier, but…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:31:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>Jamil,</p><p>I've heard it said before that New Zealand firms should be getting stuck in and helping clean up China's environment.  Sounds great in principle.  A few years ago I had a look around for some NZ firms that might have this kind of expertise and found nothing much (from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:26:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>Mark,</p><p>I mentioned Labor because it is the only other large party in New Zealand.  Personally I see voting Green as the most useful thing I can do with my vote.  They annoy me with some of their policies, but at least they have a fresh take on things and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:11:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote>Your reference to National is silly. I doubt many National voters are motivated primarily by the fact that National leans closer to the USA than Labor does. Loyalty to the USA is just one among numerous features of National Party policy. In any case, Labor is not exactly an enemy…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:12:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JohnAmiria</title>
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						<blockquote>The mentality in the NZ dairy sector appears the same as Wall St. or the City. Fast profits and bugger everyone else when it all (inevitably) collapses. They could have chosen to go down the low-input, organic path, but they chose not to because it would have meant less money…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:37:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>Seamus Harris: Taking the discussion over to your blog.</p><p>Sam F: You're right, but swapping 归 for 龟 turns things pun-wards in my book. Visual representations, be the words or pictures, that I've seen suggest that Chinese people hear the pun, and not just the abbreviation.</p><p>Main laptop is in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:18:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>Thanks for your perspective, Jamil.</p><blockquote><p>NZ should be promoting clean, organic produce and high quality products made from natural ingredients....NZ has missed huge opportunities by not becoming much more of a leader on environmental issues at a much earlier stage.</p></blockquote><p>Except organisations such as Fonterra are not even vaguely onto…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:45:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jamil Anderlini</title>
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						<p>Hi David, <br />Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been busy with the global financial meltdown.</p><p>Here are some answers to your questions:</p><p><br />**Can I ask a few questions?</p><p><em>given the damage that has been done to brand NZ by Fonterra's ill-advised involvement in the poisonous Chinese dairy industry.</em></p><p>How…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:22:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>Indeed, it would be an awful lot of work to try identifying all parts of the electorate who have inexplicable personal biases.</p><p>That said, we are not talking about some nebulous fringe element here.  We are talking about <em>the majority of</em> PRC-born New Zealanders.  Moreover, the inexplicable personal bias in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:18:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote>I'd think that a non-Chinese New Zealander who considered supporting China was the most important thing they could do with their vote had a major screw loose... In the case of the Chinese NZ voter with such feelings I have to question why they even participate. At best their participation…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:49:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>I'd think that a non-Chinese New Zealander who considered supporting China was the most important thing they could do with their vote had a major screw loose.</p><p>That said, a non-Chinese NZ voter who thought this way would (presumably) be in New Zealand by accident of birth rather than by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:28:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Correct me if i'm wrong Seamus, but are you saying Chinese NZers who see supporting China  as the most important thing they can do with their vote in  NZ as less justified than New Zealand New Zealanders  who see supporting China  as the most important thing they can do with…
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						Although, of course, the pun in itself is still tasty. And commiserations on the state of your laptop &ndash; ours is in a similarly dire situation (backlight dead, external monitor only if you want to see anything)...
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And what everybody seems to be forgetting is the delicious little pun in 'haigui'. The hai (海) is reasonably obvious, the gui could be read as either the turtle (龟）or return (归), both of which are gui in the first tone.</p></blockquote><p>Not so much a pun as the origin of…</p>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>A few of thoughts on the issue of separation of government/country in Chinese thinking. . .</p><p>&ndash; The commonly used Chinese word for 'country' ('guojia') is a little ambiguous.  It means state, country, land and nation, all at the same time.   </p><p>&ndash; You have decades of CCP propaganda telling people…</p>
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>Chris, I ended up writing a little piece on the issue of loyalty to China/CCP among Chinese voters in New Zealand on my own website.</p><p><a href="http://bunnyhugs.org/2008/10/12/ccp-style-nationalism-meets-new-zealand-democracy-hillarity-ensues/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://bunnyhugs.org/2008/10/12/ccp-style-nationalism-meets-new-zealand-democracy-hillarity-ensues/</a></p><p>I see it as a little odd.  I think it also raises a few moral issues.</p><p>I think your comparison to New Zealander's in…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>mark taslov, I've been wondering the same thing about the NZ-China Friendship Society wesbsite for a while now. It doesn't help that all my favourite most reliable proxies have been blocked. </p><p>And what everybody seems to be forgetting is the delicious little pun in 'haigui'. The hai (海) is reasonably…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						i'm always fairly proud of our ability to make that separation sam, though i sometimes feel our somewhat apolitical patriotic spirit leaves new zealand a little lacking in nationalist cohesion that could make the place a little merrier (sounds weird but it's too difficult for me have a decent go…
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>'Haigui' literally means 'sea turtle', and refers to overseas Chinese who have returned to China to live and work.</p></blockquote><p>As heard from my partner (and supported by <a href="http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200504/27/eng20050427_182927.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Renmin Ribao</a>, for what it's worth), the phrase has now quickly spawned an offshoot &ndash; "haidai", or seaweed, for returnees who end up…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>question i have is why has new zealand china friendship society website been blocked in china for the last two years. what is written on this website?</p><p>www.nzchinasociety.org.nz</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						true seamus, bit of a freudian there, didn't realise that was wu gui de gui thought it was yang gui zi de gui,  hei was a spelling mistake hence (seaghosts) often make that mistake probably based on my disdain for all similarly xenophobic terms, but i'm sure the point (without…
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						Mark, the term is 'haigui', not 'heigui'.  'Heigui' literally means 'black ghost', and is an impolite way of referring to black people.  'Haigui' literally means 'sea turtle', and refers to overseas Chinese who have returned to China to live and work.  Chinese living in New Zealand are not 'haigui', because…
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						after running a survey of thirty chinese around the neighbourhood, the overwhelming consensus is that we are not all chinese and never will be, the majority seemed adamant that we are laowai 'old outsiders' and the Chinese in new zealand right now are heigui, 'sea ghosts'.
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						<p>agreed simon, sorry chris waugh, early morning had me reading chris as james...</p><p>stephen</p><p>' they' isn't the young urban middle class, it's the Chinese,  most of whom are over 30.<br /> 23% over 50,</p><p>47% 20-50: </p><p>of which the majority are pre one child policy, and probably able to recall…</p>
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						<p>A key thing that perhaps seems to be being sidestepped in this is the lack, in Indonesia and China at least, of personal indebtedness.  It's a massive point of difference between many Asian nations and their western counterparts. </p><p>We do tend to look at this from a western perspective at…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>but they have lived through worse</p></blockquote><p>i would politely suggest that "they" have not lived through worse, if "they" is the urban, young, "middle class".</p><p>what percentage of the Chinese population is old enough to remember the worst excesses of the cultural revolution (i.e. pre-1970) or the famines of the…</p>
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						<p>@Chris Waugh,</p><p>Sure, in a democracy you can have any opinion you like.  However, if you rate loyalty to a foreign one-party government above loyalty to the democracy you are voting in then the whole exercise becomes slightly peculiar.  </p><p>I would argue that it is morally inappropriate to vote if…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>howing leadership and intelligence and thinking about more than just satisfying their immediate, short-term desires. It would also mean NZ finally giving us linguisticky types the respect we deserve</p></blockquote><p>but James they're shackled in democracy...</p>
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						i think the naivety that got Fonterra into their mess wasn't that the streets aren't paved with gold. it's that they trusted their their shoes (and whatever came between them and the gold)  a little too much and weren't prepared to convert the ideals they have offshore into the way…
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Indeed, New Zealand should make good use of the FTA with China, but that would mean NZs business leaders actually showing leadership and intelligence and thinking about more than just satisfying their immediate, short-term desires. It would also mean NZ finally giving us linguisticky types the respect we deserve- despite…
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				<title>Seamus Harris</title>
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						<p>I'd hardly say the streets in China are 'paved with gold'.</p><p>It was naivety along those lines that got Fonterra into its current mess.</p><p>While it sounds nasty, I would also be cautious about relying too much on 'new New Zealanders'.  It seems that the loyalties of those from the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Although this whole "whites only" lols is a little confusing to me at least &ndash; does this include Latin America? Where do we stand with countries that have large white or not white minorities?</p></blockquote><p>I believe the US has a long history of distinguishing between "white" and "non-white" Hispanics. Must…</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Surely as a broader point, any country dependant on the commodities boom should be rather worried &ndash; plenty of non white countries included in that. Although this whole "whites only" lols is a little confusing to me at least &ndash; does this include Latin America? Where do we stand with…
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						<p>Thank you for that Jamil.</p><p>Can I ask a few questions?</p><blockquote><p>given the damage that has been done to brand NZ by Fonterra's ill-advised involvement in the poisonous Chinese dairy industry.</p></blockquote><p>How substantial do you gauge the damage to be?</p><blockquote><p>The financial regulators here have been very conservative about allowing…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I think that's probably good advice, Jamil.</p><blockquote><p>730m of them are peasant farmers with an average income of NZ$800 per year</p></blockquote><p>Who are not going to be taking up the slack on $4k flat screen tellys, though maybe the Warehouse's gumboot supplier could sell a few domestically.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:37:18 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I strongly advise against putting your faith in China to help us through the current crisis.</p><p>As Stephen points out, stock markets in the region have been hammered, led by the decline in the Shanghai market which began before anywhere else.</p><p>It's true the Chinese stock market had increased six-fold…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:25:49 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>So far this is whites-only crisis.</p></blockquote><p>as Goerge points out above, Mr. Keane appears to have some slightly misinformed opinions...</p><p>unless of course the Tokyo Stock Exchange is a now whites-only instituion?</p><p>broadest measure of the TSE is the TOPIX index.<br />it is currently scraping along just under 830. down…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But is he a Ricky Ponting or an Alan Border?</p></blockquote><p>Neither of them are dipped in titanium.</p><p>Meanwhile, from China I've had this message. It's  from a reader whose partner I've been pestering for a while to interview about the expansion of their NZ business there.</p><blockquote><p>The streets here are…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>The only saving grace is that Rudd looks like the sort of guy who loves a challenge – and the more the better.</p></blockquote><p>But is he a Ricky Ponting or an Alan Border?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Kevin Rudd could face the same fate as Scullin, the only other one-term Prime Minister ...</p></blockquote><p>Quoting Crikey just once more:</p><blockquote><p>In short, Rudd has not just got a major economic meltdown to deal with, but the sort of historic problems that would tough nuts even when times were great.…</p></blockquote>
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						Wasn't doubting you, George &ndash; just wondering whether the faith I have in China's prospects was well-founded.
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						<blockquote><p>Kevin Rudd could face the same fate as Scullin, the <strong>only other one-term Prime Minister</strong> ...</p></blockquote><p>They bat longer than us at cricket too.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>In other news, Pakistan is on the edge of bankruptcy. This would normally make headlines, but not right now.</p></blockquote><p>I was meaning to go read up on what that might <em>mean</em>, but it seemed a little bleak for a Friday. I mean, really.</p>
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						<p>Oh, China is well insulated (at least it appears so to me). There's no way I contend that. Australia is also well placed to weather this.</p><p>My point was only to say that many other countries are significantly more exposed to the problems of developed countries.</p>
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						George, how would you assess the balance of Keane's proposition? How much harm could severe contraction in the West do to China's economy?
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						<blockquote><p>So far this is whites-only crisis.</p></blockquote><p>No it isn't. Several days ago Indonesia's stock exchange started to plunge dramatically, losing 10% in only a few hours. Trading has been suspended since then, in attempt to prevent the a repeat of the devastation of 1997.  In that case; a country with…</p>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have been hanging out at film premieres [Guitars From The Leafy Suburbs]</p></blockquote><p>I once read that "leafy suburbs" was Queensland slang used in newspaper "flatmate wanted" ads, to show that it was a <em>certain</em> kind of flat &ndash; what would probably be called "easy-going" or "open-minded" here...</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<p>For that matter, the whole thing is worth quoting. Lest anyone at that publication feel cheated, let me make the plug that you can buy a subscription at <a href="http://crikey.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">crikey.com.au</a> for not much more than a hundred a year. Excellent value, assuming you still have money in your account.</p><p>Right, here's…</p>
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						<p>Bernard Keane at Crikey  argues it this way:</p><blockquote><p>But China relies on exports, people will object, especially to Europe and America. Indeed. But it also has 1.2 plus billion people, in a region with another billion people in rapidly-developing economies (remember that enormous disaster, the Asian economic crisis?). So far…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:30:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>A long period of export led growth by catering to Western consumers is stopping now as all us Westerners have maxxed out our credit.  How will it impact on the popularity of the Communist Party when the growth falters?  </p><p>Interesting times in China?</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						haha, laughing all the way to the bank. good luck with those native speakers, they sure gave fonterra a helping hand...
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						I am reliably informed it is he.
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Firstly, I endorse this YouYube clip.</p></blockquote><p>Do I detect the dulcet tones of Grant Robertson?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>So are our babies included in the count?</p></blockquote><p>Well, they are eligible to join, so not counting them wouldnt be fair...  :)</p><p>While only those starting payed employment are joined up automatically...  anyone can join, including infants...</p>
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						<p>Kiwisaver popularity: Key keeps saying only 1 in 5 belong. <br />5 X 800,000 =4 million. The total population is a bit over 4 million. So are our babies included in the count?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>... too Statist ...</p></blockquote><p>With <a href="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/International_Business/US_may_invest_in_banks_to_shore_up_confidence/articleshow/3577974.cms" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">what's going on in the banking sector</a>, it seems that Statism is the new black.</p>
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						It seems common knowledge amongst the politerati that Bill English can't stand Kiwisaver. When it was introduced he told us no one would sign up. When people signed up he told us it was a lemon. When people ignored him and went ahead anyway, he lapsed into a sullen silence.…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:44:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>Well I think the whole point of free trade sorts of legislation is that tax breaks are a no-no</p><p>What we can do though is intensive handholding of local business &ndash; we have a wonderfull resource in NZ: native Chinese speakers  &ndash; exactly what we need to do biz in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:39:23 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:39:23 +1300</pubDate>
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