Public Address | Cafe | Island Life: The Art of the Deal https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81753#post81753 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81753#post81753 So I presume if MP members are associate ministers then there will also be a principle minister inside cabinet from the National party?

It's kind of an interesting structure. Doesn't it mean that essentially the minister gets to make most of the decisions? And also that MP can't dissent (in…

]]> Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:24:01 +1300 FletcherB https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81651#post81651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81651#post81651 "... to make it harder for criminals awaiting trial to get bail"

So, is this measure designed only to make it harder for people already convicted of something to get bail while waiting for trial of something else...

Or have they just thrown away the whole "presumption of innocence" thing?…

]]> Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:16:18 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81626#post81626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81626#post81626 Is the new Associate Minister of Corrections, Pita Sharples, going to vote for this? I think they agreed to give confidence and supply on "The first 100 days" or anything National campaigned on to get elected which was why they put that reminder at the bottom of the PDF. Now… ]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:10:46 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81624#post81624 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81624#post81624 National have helpfully included, along with the signed agreement between the 2 parties, a reminder of the 'First 100 days' promises that John Key has made. These include:

FIRST ACTIONS ON LAW AND ORDER • Introduce legislation to remove the right of the worst repeat violent offenders to be released…

]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:01:01 +1300 James Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81622#post81622 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81622#post81622

I underestimated the size of their thesaurus. The deal with ACT, just announced, includes an "advisory group" and a "task force". Top work, wordsmiths.
A feasibility study can't be far away. Possibly even a Commission.

Yes. It appears that we are reducing bureaucracy by creating an unprecedented number of advisory…

]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:49:18 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81621#post81621 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81621#post81621

So, they have the right to dissent, except on issues relating to Maori, and health, and education, and prisons, and so on. They're not just in the tent, they're in the sleeping bag.

Yeah, it makes a bit of a mockery of the term "outside cabinent" when they're getting some…

]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:39:40 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81619#post81619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81619#post81619 Wow.

Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples is to become Maori Affairs Minister under his party's deal to support a National government.

Dr Sharples and fellow co-leader Tariana Turia will also get a number of other portfolios.

Mrs Turia will be Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector, Associate Health Minister…

]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:31:14 +1300 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81615#post81615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81615#post81615 And ACT get the outside cabinet positions of... local government, and consumer affairs.

Certainly not the worst that was feared.

]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:01:46 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81614#post81614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81614#post81614

When the details are made public, let's play Deal WordWatch – a fun game for all the family:

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I underestimated the size of their thesaurus. The deal with ACT, just announced, includes an…

]]> Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:00:10 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81555#post81555 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81555#post81555

I saw Goff on Lambton Quay (outside Farmers) about an hour ago. He was sporting a splendid royal blue silk tie.

It's the suit that could do with a colour change. Dear Mr Goff, How are you today? Could I suggest (having a grey haired man myself) that charcoal or…

]]> Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:18:11 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81478#post81478 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81478#post81478

I saw Goff on Lambton Quay (outside Farmers) about an hour ago.

Courting the rural vote already huh?

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:56:51 +1300 Caleb D'Anvers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81459#post81459 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81459#post81459 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:21:14 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81402#post81402 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81402#post81402

That hardly means that Goff — whose party won many more party votes in the Maori electorates than any other — is forbidden to pass any comment that might offend Tariana Turia.

I don't think he's forbidden at all. I just think it was bad politics.

Assuming Maori Party don't…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:36:39 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81389#post81389 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81389#post81389

Then again, this is the man who's style in the 80s was modelled after that paragon of officiousness – the traffic cop.

Oh... the un-ironic 70's porn star 'tash, how I miss three!

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:06:42 +1300 Shep Cheyenne https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81373#post81373 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81373#post81373 If we look back at the evidence of benefits to the enermy over the past two decades.

Labour has been the best friend to the NZDF since WWII. The Air Force Strike Farce was never used but the reequipping came under Labour has been massive. National let it rot away…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:29 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81355#post81355 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81355#post81355

John key seems to be interested in consulting widely, which is very good to see.

Absolutely, I'm very pleasantly surprised – what are the odds he'll consult to the Greens on certain emmissions trading matters where they have such a good base of understanding?
Of course, consult != action so…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:12:40 +1300 Mikaere Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81349#post81349 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81349#post81349 up at the next… ]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:07:15 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81336#post81336 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81336#post81336 Speaking of deals, Key's comments re Kiwisaver after meeting with union leaders this morning have cheered me up a bit.
If they genuinely will take another look at how they've chosen to setup that scheme then I'll hold out hopes for setting it back on a decent footing...

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:47:21 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81332#post81332 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81332#post81332 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:45:02 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81330#post81330 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81330#post81330 Gareth:

What the fuck does New Zealand First have to do with anything? Might me a little more pertinent to point out to Labour that they lost another Maori seat on Saturday night.

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:41:25 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81329#post81329 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81329#post81329

That hardly means that Goff — whose party won many more party votes in the Maori electorates than any other — is forbidden to pass any comment that might offend Tariana Turia.

Forbidden? Please, I encourage Goff to alienate as many potential allies as possible by treating them like innumerate…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:39:10 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81326#post81326 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81326#post81326

I'm kind of struck by how many more words have been written about what he said than he actually said

Amen – I looked through the stories and only found these as his words:
"It has made this decision notwithstanding the fact that in every Maori seat, voters on the…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:35:11 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81325#post81325 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81325#post81325 Out of curiosity, what was the percentage that Labour won in the party vote in the Maori seats? I remember it being in the high 60s for one of them.

@RB: yeah, Turia hasn't exactly been temperate either. Not a good look from either side, really.

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:32:21 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81315#post81315 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81315#post81315

Indeed, hence the rest of my comment about there being "question marks" around him! He seems to evoke a sense of entitlement at the moment, never a good look for a newly chosen leader of a party that's just been ousted out of Government.

I'm kind of struck by how…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:19:12 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81314#post81314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81314#post81314 Irrespective of the merits of Goff's comments re: the MāP, I'd say he was taking a leaf out of Bob Tizard's book and calling a spade "a b---dy shovel".

4 or 5-headed monsters? Sounds a little like the Camera dei Deputati to me.

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:18:32 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81311#post81311 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81311#post81311

Re. "wickedly intelligent" Goff – in a late-80s Listener column Denis Welch described a conversation where Goff used words to the effect of "Well Denis, you and I have both been through University."
To which Welch noted: He's wrong. I haven't.

However 'wicked' Goff's intelligence may be, it still appears…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:10:43 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81306#post81306 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81306#post81306 Re. "wickedly intelligent" Goff – in a late-80s Listener column Denis Welch described a conversation where Goff used words to the effect of "Well Denis, you and I have both been through University."
To which Welch noted: He's wrong. I haven't.

However 'wicked' Goff's intelligence may be, it still appears…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:56:51 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81305#post81305 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81305#post81305

Maybe Phil Goff is just calling it as it its. Maybe he doesn't have his memory erased every three years, like so many commentators, and he can see where this will be heading, because he's seen it all before.

simon g.: Goff might make better use of his time actually…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:53:52 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81303#post81303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81303#post81303 Maybe Phil Goff is just calling it as it its. I'll agree and after all, that is now the job of opposition. Why is it so important for Key to get to Apec? Surely the forming of a tactical coalition is of greater importance for all Parties concerned so why… ]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:33:11 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81299#post81299 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81299#post81299 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:20:45 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81298#post81298 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81298#post81298 To use a dreadful cliché, I think both ACT and the MP know that there's as much risk in being the tail that tries to wag the dog, as being perceived (fairly or not) as neutered lapdogs. I don't think it is risk, they must know they're just a bunch… ]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:18:57 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81297#post81297 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81297#post81297

His first foray as leader was wickedly dumb, he'd better improve and quickly.

Indeed, hence the rest of my comment about there being "question marks" around him! He seems to evoke a sense of entitlement at the moment, never a good look for a newly chosen leader of a party…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:14:26 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81296#post81296 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81296#post81296 There isn't a lot that ACT and the MP have in common.

Don't you think that's kind of the point? To use a dreadful cliché, I think both ACT and the MP know that there's as much risk in being the tail that tries to wag the dog, as being…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:12:28 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81295#post81295 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81295#post81295

He's a wickedly intelligent bloke

His first foray as leader was wickedly dumb, he'd better improve and quickly.

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:10:38 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81294#post81294 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81294#post81294

No, but Goff's sure got a damn funny way of forming a constructive relationship with a party that (as I said) he might be courting himself, and sooner rather than later.

Absolutely. And one that's struck me about Goff is the clear streak of paternialism that he'll have to keep…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:07:24 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81293#post81293 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81293#post81293

There isn't a lot that ACT and the MP have in common.

Don't you think that's kind of the point? To use a dreadful cliché, I think both ACT and the MP know that there's as much risk in being the tail that tries to wag the dog, as being…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:01:55 +1300 Matthew Littlewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81291#post81291 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81291#post81291 Graeme didn't NZF make up the6 needed and if so, wouldn't it have been easier to have the Green vote when it worked for both sides rather than the constant opposition of UF and NZF thus cancelling out all support ? By guaranteeing UF and NZF you get your votes… ]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:51:55 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81289#post81289 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81289#post81289

Well they are not the Party trying to form a coalition are they?You don't need an arrangement to be on the opposition benches.Doh!

No, but Goff's sure got a damn funny way of forming a constructive relationship with a party that (as I said) he might be courting himself, and…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:45:18 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81288#post81288 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81288#post81288 It seems to me that Labour has no alternative government arrangement to offer Maori.Well they are not the Party trying to form a coalition are they?You don't need an arrangement to be on the opposition benches.Doh! ]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:32:32 +1300 Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81284#post81284 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81284#post81284 I'm finding it difficult to reconcile Goff's obvious intelligence with his little outburst. Even if it doesn't ring any alarm bells in his own head, surely he should be getting advice that would temper such folly?

No, that's right...Labour leaders neither seek nor accept advice. 'snot just the pope that's…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:41:05 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81283#post81283 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81283#post81283

OMG – I agree with Tariana Turia!

I know... It's a most uncomfortable place to be, but these are the End of Days. :)

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:21:27 +1300 Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81282#post81282 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81282#post81282 OMG – I agree with Tariana Turia!

Goff's Gaffe.

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:26:34 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81281#post81281 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81281#post81281

[Goff] might actually want the Maori Party's support on legislation one of these days, and one might think there's previous form to show patting Tariana on the head and talking to her like a child with very special needs does not have a happy ending.

No one should be in…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:53:30 +1300 Paul Robeson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81278#post81278 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81278#post81278 It seems to me that Labour has no alternative government arrangement to offer Maori.

Therefore if Maori refuse to be involved the any governing arrangement they lose any true input, and force ACT to be come the only ally has for National.

If National is truly home to any centrist…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:26:31 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81268#post81268 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81268#post81268 After the election, he kept his word, and Labour had an option: Greens or UF? Labour chose UF; hardly "forced".Graeme didn't NZF make up the6 needed and if so, wouldn't it have been easier to have the Green vote when it worked for both sides rather than the constant opposition… ]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:15:25 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81260#post81260 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81260#post81260 Bart @ 1.32pm:

No apologies necessary, and thanks for the clarification.

Caleb D'Anvers @ 1.38:

I think that's an ever so slightly simplistic reading, but I do agree with your conclusion. And I think it's one the MSM has swallowed for far too long. The Labour-Ratana alliance is being taken…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:55:25 +1300 Bryan Dods https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81257#post81257 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81257#post81257

After the election, he kept his word, and Labour had an option: Greens or UF? Labour chose UF; hardly "forced".

Quite right, Graeme. Although you have taken "forced" as a lawyer might, rather than its lighter use, such as "a forced smile".

It was Labour's turncoat style that upset me…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:28:02 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81246#post81246 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81246#post81246

It may all be a cynical ploy by JohnKey

Mouahaha – it's all going according to my plan...

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:26:06 +1300 Dinah Dunavan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81238#post81238 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81238#post81238 Can I just get the cash now instead of the herceptin?

I am in a high risk category (Mum, aunt & lots of female relations with breast cancer and I've never had children) but I'm still skeptical and my mate's mum had severe cardiac damage from it and barely survived. Also…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:32:51 +1300 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81237#post81237 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81237#post81237 And as a foaming at the mouth leftie, I'd add that on Saturday night I was looking at a Key-Dunne-Hide triumvirate, now it's a minority government in which the Act is more than counterbalanced by the Maori Party influence. In terms of the kind of constituencies that the gov would… ]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:32:22 +1300 Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81236#post81236 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81236#post81236 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:22:47 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81231#post81231 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81231#post81231 John Key's first 100 days

So the first test will probably be law'n'order. The Maori Party will vote against legislation on sentencing and gangs, but ACT will provide the majority.

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:56:26 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81225#post81225 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81225#post81225 I must say I agee with page two of this thread a lot more than with page one... Great move by Key, and if it works for the country and for Maori he's sown up re-election in three years, forcing me to say "good on him".

And as a foaming…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:29:12 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81223#post81223 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81223#post81223 This is going to be the fifth post-election deal under MMP.

Now it may be that the Maori Party will be the first minor party to retain its support at the next election, after backing the government of the time. But no party has managed it yet. I'd be interested…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:21:07 +1300 Leopold https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81222#post81222 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81222#post81222 As a lefty, I cannot understand this fuss being made of MP dealing with National – If they stay with the opposition, the left still dosent have the numbers to bring Nat-ACT down.
At least the MP can serve as a counterbalance to the rightwing of the Nats and ACT…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:11:37 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81217#post81217 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81217#post81217 I'm not sure if this is a good play by Goff.

Telling Maori Party MPs what their voters actually wanted them to do post-election, when the Maori Party made it fairly clear they might go with National pre-election.

A hint of colonial paternalism even?

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:47:15 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81215#post81215 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81215#post81215

Maybe that's what John Key is doing.

I'm starting to think that Key might just be quite a smart cookie. If this term works out OK for Maori, they might not go back to Labour for a long time, and at very little cost to National.

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:41:27 +1300 Caleb D'Anvers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81213#post81213 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81213#post81213 livid about the seabed and foreshore issue, and they will have long memories. And let's not even… ]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:38:45 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81209#post81209 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81209#post81209 Sorry Craig

The quotes were mostly because I couldn't think of quite the right word.

And very sorry for giving any impression that my comment was specifically about The Maori Party. Far from it. My comment (admittedly overly cynical) was aimed at them as politicians.

If I have any real…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:32:41 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81199#post81199 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81199#post81199 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:51:59 +1300 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81197#post81197 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81197#post81197 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:43:32 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81196#post81196 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81196#post81196

The bottom line for the Maori Party is they were looking at a clean sweep of all seven of the Maori seats until they started merely flirting with the idea of an alliance with National.

That's balls, Tom. Anyone who thinks Nanaia Mahuta was going to be easy to pick…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:41:29 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81194#post81194 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81194#post81194 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:36:44 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81193#post81193 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81193#post81193

Or, just possibly, they are unscrupulous sh!ts after as much power as they can get and hence will "collaborate" with whomever will give them the biggest piece of pie at the time.

Well, you might be a little easier to take seriously if you could drop the scare quotes and…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:34:37 +1300 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81188#post81188 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81188#post81188

Just like the Grey Chameleon, Peter Dunne. Except that last election his piddle of a party forced Labour to reject all the Green support so that he could grasp some power.

UF promised prior to the last election that they would not work in a government which included the Greens.…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:11:56 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81186#post81186 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81186#post81186 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:06:37 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81184#post81184 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81184#post81184

But surely that is far too cynical

Yes, but you're forgiven. Anyway, not to gloat or anything, but my plan is coming together.

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:53:56 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81181#post81181 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81181#post81181 I don't see that the Maori Party used a blunt club the way other minority parties have in the past. Is entrenchment of seats blunt enough? ]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:48:54 +1300 Bryan Dods https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81180#post81180 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81180#post81180

Last election it was labour, this time it was national, perhaps if ACT were the major party they'd figure out a rationalisation for working with them.

Just like the Grey Chameleon, Peter Dunne. Except that last election his piddle of a party forced Labour to reject all the Green support…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:44:33 +1300 Dinah Dunavan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81175#post81175 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81175#post81175 I don't like the idea of the Maori Party propping up a National led Government, and I know the thought that they might, lost them one vote at the election.

But, which is worse: National going to ACT to get their policies through (bound to lead to a shift right…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:28:53 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81170#post81170 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81170#post81170

I think this is probably very canny for them.

Or, just possibly, they are unscrupulous sh!ts after as much power as they can get and hence will "collaborate" with whomever will give them the biggest piece of pie at the time.

Last election it was labour, this time it was…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:20:22 +1300 Elizabeth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81166#post81166 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81166#post81166

Is that a discount voucher? Or a "buy one Maori kid, get one free" voucher?

LMAO. I omitted the word "schooling" obviously....

Road tolls. Yeah. Love it. That'll go down nicely.

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:16:09 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81158#post81158 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81158#post81158

Is that a discount voucher? Or a "buy one Maori kid, get one free" voucher?

As long as I get 4c a litre off I don't really mind...

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:52:48 +1300 Blake Monkley https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81155#post81155 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81155#post81155 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:45:49 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81154#post81154 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81154#post81154

Is that a discount voucher? Or a "buy one Maori kid, get one free" voucher?

LOL
Buy the Maori Party, get it all for free.

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:40:27 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81151#post81151 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81151#post81151

wait for the announcement that a voucher system will be used for Maori kids.

Is that a discount voucher? Or a "buy one Maori kid, get one free" voucher?

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:35:03 +1300 Nat Torkington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81149#post81149 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81149#post81149 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:34:21 +1300 Elizabeth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81144#post81144 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81144#post81144 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:24:25 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81143#post81143 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81143#post81143 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:22:32 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81142#post81142 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81142#post81142 We'll see if the voters thought it was the right thing to do in three years' time." So, done deal, just have to tell "their people" ]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:20:43 +1300 Mary W https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81137#post81137 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81137#post81137 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:11:22 +1300 Ian MacKay https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81136#post81136 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81136#post81136 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:10:00 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81130#post81130 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81130#post81130 When the details are made public, let's play Deal WordWatch – a fun game for all the family:

Score 1 point for:

have a look at

review

consult

Score 1000 points for:

change the law

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:47:20 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81129#post81129 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81129#post81129 I thought Jim Slater was the guy who started Silicon Graphics and Netscape – got that wrong obviously. Jim Clark apparently.
The story in "The New New Thing" (Michael Lewis followed him round for years) runs that the only reason he built Netscape is because he was going for a…

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:44:01 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81123#post81123 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81123#post81123

And we laugh at Sarah Palin?

Yes — because she's either thick as pig shit (but not as useful) or a pathological liar of almost sociopathic shamelessness.

Shaples and Key are sure looking a damn sight smarter that 90% of the commentariat right now.

]]> Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:16:27 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81117#post81117 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81117#post81117 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:41:50 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81116#post81116 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-the-art-of-the-deal/?p=81116#post81116 Discussion from blog post.

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