Public Address | Cafe | Island Life: My way or the highway https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6854#post6854 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6854#post6854 What a cool discussion.

But

When you folks discuss it you are trading ideas and theories and entertaining the concept of being wrong in part or in whole. You tolerate each others differences of opinion and contribute ideas.

But I don’t believe for a second that John Key has any…

]]> Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:04:48 +1300 Riddley Walker https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6800#post6800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6800#post6800 i think The John is more of a Lord Quimby type – mayoralty is clearly not enough for him is it?

i also agree with those revolted by Toyota Ad Nationalism, it has always been there to sell something, be it toilet paper or an invasion of your neighbours. it…

]]> Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:30:58 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6697#post6697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6697#post6697 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:56:17 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6691#post6691 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6691#post6691

I'm guessing you mean Cornerstone and their proposed development at Waimauku?

I'm not too familiar with Auckland region developments, but from what I can gather from a quick squizz at the website I'd say that the reasonable density and location on a railway line are good, but it's still greenfield…

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:58:39 +1300 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6687#post6687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6687#post6687 Merc – no I didn't mean the Cornerstone development, but thanks for the pointer – another good example.

I guess that the best urban development solution will involve a combination of government and market forces (PPP anyone?).

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:40:49 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6682#post6682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6682#post6682 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:28:36 +1300 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6678#post6678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6678#post6678 Tom,

FWIW, I have seen first-hand that there are a group of developers who are ahead of the government curve on this, and are actually being hampered by local government in their desire to deliver more sustainable, high quality, mixed density housing, in conjunction with existing or planned economic, social,…

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:09:28 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6675#post6675 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6675#post6675

I think I have a bit of an idea what urban sprawl is, but surely it cannot (and will not) continue indefinately, for a whole bunch of good economic and environmental reasons, and that smart developers will (and some already do) recognise this.

It certainly can't continue forever, but when…

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:37:00 +1300 stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6673#post6673 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6673#post6673 Tom's comments yesterday had near the end

But all too often it gets co-opted into the sort of "quarter-acre paradise" vision that helps sell McMansions and SUVs to a populace that claims to love the land while gradually killing it.

As someone who moved to NZ thirteen years ago and…

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:14:41 +1300 Greg Dawson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6670#post6670 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6670#post6670 It wouldn't be too hard to start a John Key/Mayor Quimby meme, with a little bit of guerilla advertising. If someone wants to photoshop up a suitable graphic...

Not that I'd ever suggest such a thing as political activism in polite society.

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:00:08 +1300 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6669#post6669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6669#post6669 Che/Tom

Well, just a little crazy....

But what I was trying to say is, yep I think I have a bit of an idea what urban sprawl is, but surely it cannot (and will not) continue indefinately, for a whole bunch of good economic and environmental reasons, and that smart…

]]> Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:47:31 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6659#post6659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6659#post6659 Ooh no, from wikipedia (meme),
Meme-theorists contend that memes most beneficial to their hosts will not necessarily survive; rather, those memes which replicate the most effectively spread best; which allows for the possibility that successful memes might prove detrimental to their hosts.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:55:49 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6656#post6656 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6656#post6656

I keep wondering when Mayor Quimby is going to pop out.

I propose this for a meme.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:25:21 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6654#post6654 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6654#post6654 What's to get, the hardest job Kaizen Key Way National have is to convince caring people that they arn't just in this for the money.
It's not about the power! Man, I've had enough of them already, I keep wondering when Mayor Quimby is going to pop out.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:02:41 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6653#post6653 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6653#post6653

More so than in the past, we do live in a multicultural society and the challenge for politicians now is how to convince different groups that their needs are going to be represented in decision making.

Recognising the power and timeliness of that idea helped Labour squeak home in last…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:44:55 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6652#post6652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6652#post6652 richard, i think i can channel tom... waitaminute... here it is....

OHMYGODAREYOUJUSTPLAINCRAZY!!!!

(just kidding)

the abiding feature of urban sprawl is uniformity... acres, and acres of uniformity. strangely, diversity comes from getting up close to people.

tom?

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:39:09 +1300 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6649#post6649 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6649#post6649 Tom,

If the 'Kiwi Way' of the future features unrestricted urban development, won't that mean more diversity rather than less?

Assuming that urban sprawl is unsustainable economically and environmentally, and that forecasted population growth in NZ does in fact happen, won't urban development change to reflect the needs of a…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:28:24 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6648#post6648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6648#post6648 Hehe, I was born in Tauranga, lived at the Mount. One day I found myself living in Mangere (East), then I escaped, or thought I did and went the whole world over doing the strangest things, all to escape NZ suburbia.
Now I live in one again (red pavement, dead…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:27:03 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6647#post6647 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6647#post6647

I love suburbia.

careful, thems fightin' words.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:19:52 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6646#post6646 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6646#post6646 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:17:19 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6645#post6645 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6645#post6645

Yeah, but the label could be a lot worse. Reading Grant's quote from the DomPost, I would hate someone to identify me as being part of something called, "middle New Zealand"!

Shudder! I guess that was part of Brash's mistake: he didn't realise that there's a considerable slice of the…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:15:52 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6644#post6644 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6644#post6644

tom, that visit to ten-buck-an-hour tauranga profoundly effected you, methinks

It certainly made me appreciate Wellington even more! But I spent 14 years in the 'burbs of Christchurch, and if it hadn't been for the proximity of the university and the fact that it was possible to cycle into town…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:07:21 +1300 Jason Dykes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6643#post6643 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6643#post6643

Tom: it's phrases like "a core part of what it is to be a New Zealander of whatever heritage" (from your comment, of course, not the full essay, so it may be a straw man) that rankle with me and make me feel excluded.

Yeah, but the label could be…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:06:05 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6642#post6642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6642#post6642 tom, that visit to ten-buck-an-hour tauranga profoundly effected you, methinks.

speaking of quarter-acre hell of endless people-hostile subdivisions:

http://wellurban.blogspot.com/2007/01/great-place-to-live-if-youre-kiwifruit.html

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:53:54 +1300 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6641#post6641 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6641#post6641 I didn't have much of a problem with the content of the JK speech (John Howard lite), but jeez, can't the best speech-writers that the Nats have to offer come up with something a little catchier than 'The Kiwi Way'?

(Shrug) 'Its just the Kiwi Way, innit'.

Sounds less like…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:36:05 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6640#post6640 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6640#post6640

I think King was right when he identified the emergence of the environmental movement as part of a developing sense of nationhood.

True. But there are also different strands of environmentalism, with different levels of emotional attachment to the land. There's the stereotypical hippy who wants to live self-sufficently in…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:22:53 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6634#post6634 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6634#post6634 yeah, the difference between the RB and the Tom Beard comments on NZ identity illustrate my point well. both are completely valid interpretations, and if you imagine a process where Tom sells his idea as one that everyone should share, then you have one nation-building conversation (and vice-versa).

national stories…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:37:32 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6633#post6633 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6633#post6633 Myths, of course, have their own very deep reality, but is that a reality that we can or should hold onto when an "idealised feeling for the land" manifests itself through chopping that land up into quarter-acre blocks and paving the rest of it so that we can drive there?… ]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:36:41 +1300 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6627#post6627 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6627#post6627

On the other hand, 81st Column, you seem to be ruling cultural diversity out of your own definitions. What are these "cultural values that act against nationhood"?

Sorry- my bad, I was really struggling to get round value laden terms like ghetto etc. Perhaps I should put it from my…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:56:20 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6626#post6626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6626#post6626

Ooh, that's a bit harsh. If you read the full essay (the introduction to Great New Zealand Argument), I've cited evidence for the idea ... I think it's a valid observation

You're right, I should read your full essay before engaging in any more depth with the argument. It's certainly…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:49:00 +1300 Grant Robertson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6615#post6615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6615#post6615 slightly off thread, but how is this extraordinary statement from the Dom Post's sycophantic editorial about Key's speech

" Whatever the case National can only benefit from reframing its policies in terms that are less threatening to middle New Zealand. The trick will be to re-assure the party faithful that…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:04:10 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6614#post6614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6614#post6614 from an academic perspective, a slogan like "the australian battler", "the mainstream" or "the kiwi way" are just ways to define the speakers perspective of "the nation".

so to Key, "the kiwi way" is his particular ideal new zealand. there's nothing incipid about it, because nation-building is *always* future-focussed. i've…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:50:11 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6613#post6613 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6613#post6613 Oh I dunno, I ascribe to a sort of, no matter where you go, there you are, ideal. I idealize my other homelands just as much as here. But that's what they are these idealised feelings...idealised feelings, to quote a poet,

I live in a land
inner land
ambivalent.

I…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:40:14 +1300 Span . https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6611#post6611 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6611#post6611 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:22:43 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6610#post6610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6610#post6610

I agree that the concept of "paganus" doesn't seem any more acceptable than that of the "kiwi way".

But why not? You and Merc have just said "I disagree", and I've cited cause for the observation that an an idealised feeling for the land is a component of our national…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:20:33 +1300 Sonic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6609#post6609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6609#post6609 It is weak as water in it's solutions, all that rhetoric and only one concrete proposal that I could see...

Breakfast.

Even the Kiwi Blog gang are failing to whip up much enthusiasm.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:58:09 +1300 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6608#post6608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6608#post6608 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:24:34 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6607#post6607 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6607#post6607 Oh God, in my haste...."Not I, but some child born in a marvelous year / Will learn the trick of standing upright here".
And the spelling errors I have made, I apologise.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:23:19 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6606#post6606 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6606#post6606 RB, ever wondered why the land thing is so prevalent in our literature? Maybe the other issues were subsumed by it? Then there's the funding issue, but that's another story.
You wrote poetry once, there's a world of differnce between literature and poetry.
Not I this child of a favoured…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:15:58 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6605#post6605 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6605#post6605 Iwi/ Kiwi failed National abyssmally. Part of the Distancing Ourselves From Don project is to bury the race thing in the Class thing.
And remember in NZ the most commonly used dog command is,
"Get away back!".
And BTW, Asians and Immo's ain't that easily trumped and nor am I.…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:10:44 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6604#post6604 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6604#post6604 All that 8 tribes malarkey might be shallow, glib and as methodologically rigorous as a Deborah Coddington article, but I like one implication of what they're saying: there is no such thing as "the" Kiwi way. And I have to say that it's not only the right that's guilty of… ]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:09:32 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6603#post6603 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6603#post6603

accompanied by a choir of dog-whistles

that is a great image.

you'd need them to flash mob a 'Best in Show' venue for full effect. or crash a stockyards on sale day.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:57:43 +1300 Juha Saarinen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6602#post6602 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6602#post6602

In NZ The Race card doesn't work

Doesn't it? Seems to be the ace that trumps Immos in general and "Asians" in particular, especially if accompanied by a choir of dog-whistles when played.

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:39:39 +1300 Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6600#post6600 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6600#post6600

The phrase 'The Kiwi Way' is then deployed through the speech as a kind of veiled threat. Disagree with this proposition and you are denying the Kiwi Way. In that respect, it has the same hegemony as the Mainstream New Zealanders argument.

Exactly. Quite apart from any debate about what…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:34:14 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6598#post6598 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6598#post6598 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:10:37 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6597#post6597 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6597#post6597

Talk to anyone at a low decile school and they will tell you that many of the parents do work, some of them several shift jobs, but they just don't earn much doing it.

Absolutely span. And I have a nasty feeling that often when you read a case about…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:02:29 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6596#post6596 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6596#post6596 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:57:10 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6595#post6595 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6595#post6595 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:34:40 +1300 Span . https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6590#post6590 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6590#post6590 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:43:37 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6587#post6587 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6587#post6587 what occurred to me this morning is that before mr. key gets this citizen's vote, how does this 'underclass' argument tie in to all those people who barely earn more than the minimum wage?

are we only focusing on getting dole bludgers into work? or are we talking about raising…

]]> Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:27:54 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6581#post6581 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6581#post6581 - i should also point out that it was a contractor i was speaking to.

– i read your comment RB and agree with it. generally there are some successes in this field, and from hearing sharples on the radio i have confidence that *he's* the sort of bloke who…

]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:32:12 +1300 michael wood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6579#post6579 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6579#post6579 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:07:14 +1300 michael wood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6578#post6578 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6578#post6578 The convergence of National and Maori Party interests around the outsourcing of social service delivery will undoubtedly be an area to watch over the coming year. But I think that National has some work to do.

How do you credibly pursue this line when your best days in opposition have…

]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:06:11 +1300 Felix Marwick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6577#post6577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6577#post6577 I was actually at this event today (returning to my old Chch roots as it were).

What struck me about it all was the audience. Predominantly white and well off. There was a who's who of the Canterbury wealthy in attendance. Had there been a fire at the Burnside Rugby…

]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:58:09 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6576#post6576 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6576#post6576

in another issue: someone at work pointed out to me that the policy of loading bureaucracy onto successful private programmes has the tendency to stifle them with 'deliverables' and onerous reporting. lest we forget the 1990s.

We've been discussing the far-less-accountable employment schemes of the 80s and 90s on Tze…

]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:51:53 +1300 Che Tibby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6573#post6573 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/island-life-my-way-or-the-highway/?p=6573#post6573 my thought exactly chris. it appears key is channelling howard. but spookily, he's also channelling latham.

the ladder of opportunity was a feature of lathams (unsuccessful) putsch.

in another issue: someone at work pointed out to me that the policy of loading bureaucracy onto successful private programmes has the tendency…

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