And look I made a mistake, I only did one 0f these __ hence my sentence didn't turn italic.

Oh well.

Just seeing if this works. Thanks Steven.

Russell. Are you only here to disagree with everything I say?

We should stop encouraging him. I always liked that quote about the oxygen of publicity, Margaret Thatcher was it?

It's called a really lame joke.

I'll roll my eyes if you promise to roll them back when you're done with 'em :)

I have absolutely no idea what this means. Are you flirting Grant?

Roll your eyes if you will, but seeing as how the three of the most powerful people…

I admit that I will always be outdone by people who want to describe conditions where stealing…

But we started with Murder should be illegal.

I started off with, "Do not murder". Of course that should be against the law if murder is defined as unjustified killing or even unlawful killing.

And now you're defining murder as illegal killing.

What would you like me to define it…

Certainly not without context.

Which always changes depending on perspective, and belief.

All one needs is an assumption that the law is just to make the connection.

Do the laws of the land inform your morals totally? really?

I get the distinct impression that people here believe right and wrong…

And now you're defining murder as illegal killing.

So what you're saying is that you have a deeply held moral belief that something thats illegal should be illegal because its illegal...

It's called a circular argument, and strangely, it goes nowhere and…

Justice and justified are not the same word. Neither are justice and law. Unjustified and unlawful are certainly not the same thing.

Certainly not without context. But if you look at the two statements:
Murder is unlawful killing
and
Murder is unjustified killing
All one needs is an assumption that…

Unlike Kyle, I do not feel compelled to educate you,

I couldn't help myself, and even while I was doing it I knew it was a silly thing to do.

Murder is defined as unjustified killing. Go read a dictionary or something if you don't have anything useful to contribute.

Your response tells me that you are, in fact, too stupid to understand what you're saying.

Unlike Kyle, I do not feel compelled to educate you, although heaven knows you…

Russell. Are you only here to disagree with everything I say? Doesn't that take a lot of unnecessary effort?

Pure. Comedy. Gold.

Or if that's a bit cold gravel for you, try mercy, compassion and redemption in the face of grinding hardship and theft in the stories of Les Miserables and The Grapes of Wrath.

Or he could try wandering down the street and wondering who sleeps under that bridge, why is…

have no qualms about sharing it with total strangers. I would consider your past to be very sensitive and would never discuss it.

Oh Grant, that's beautiful. That's just wonderful, it's been ages since I've been exposed to argument of this quality. You make broad sweeping judgemental statements about hugely…

I take it you see no connection between justice and law...

Justice and justified are not the same word. Neither are justice and law. Unjustified and unlawful are certainly not the same thing.

I propose we hold it in Andrew's Touareg.

Ha! You forget the next bit:

I want he and Grant to have a cage match where they cast blanket aspersions on all people they deem morally inferior,

No doubt they'll start with the selfish SUV owner.

I want he and Grant to have a cage match

I propose we hold it in Andrew's Touareg.

Murder is defined as unjustified killing. Go read a dictionary or something if you don't have anything useful to contribute.

I don't think you should tell people to go look at a dictionary unless you've done it yourself, because you look silly when they do and you're wrong.

Murder isn't…

Kyle, are you prepared to blame your bank robbery on a tooth fairy in court? :)

Well I've never robbed a bank, but I'll try that defence. You said:

Nor does it even mean we are justified in lying.

Just pointing out what a silly statement that was, clearly we…

Judging by your surname, you share the same British heritage as many of us, and you ought to know that at various times in the British Isles the poorest people have had neither work, nor charity, nor food, nor any prospect but starvation while the rich ate.

I know that…

Should I pick on this for being weasel fors, or a circular definition. It's both really.

Murder is defined as unjustified killing. Go read a dictionary or something if you don't have anything useful to contribute.

I wonder whether it indicates a genuine confusion of thought or a lack of…

Jackie:

Depends on the circumstances, as others have so eloquently pointed out. I'm intolerant of the people who kill in cold blood. I'm not intolerant of those who kill in selfdefence.

Who, in their right mind, would call self defense murder?

I'm intolerant of those…

Grant, you don't know me at all, although you feel you have the right to judge me.

Right. That does it. I'm now paging that dude from an earlier thread who thinks anyone who smokes pot is an irredeemable narcissistic asshole (or whatever it was he said). I want he…

I define murder as intentional and wrongful killing of another person.

Should I pick on this for being weasel fors, or a circular definition. It's both really.

I wonder whether it indicates a genuine confusion of thought or a lack of honesty in debate?

In any case, I'l cheerfully ad…

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!…

What the hell? How completely ignorant of history can you be? Judging by your surname, you share the same British heritage as many of us, and you ought to know that at various times…

It's tragic that you can be so callous about a thing so sensitive, Emma. My reaction to you would be to tell you how inappropriate you actions are and why.

Grant, you don't know me at all, although you feel you have the right to judge me. I'm not callous.…

Russell. Are you only here to disagree with everything I say? Doesn't that take a lot of unnecessary effort?

not unnecessary lest you end up believing that the lack of a retort implies agreement. This is as you must agree [ in fact you revel in it] a place for…

Kyle, are you prepared to blame your bank robbery on a tooth fairy in court? :)

Nor does it even mean we are justified in lying.

I actively encourage parents to lie to their kids about Santa Claus. I do it myself. And the tooth fairy. Easter Bunny. These are my sins.

It's not something I'm proud of, but it's not something I'm ashamed of, either. My ex-husband is…

When I say, "Do not murder" I define it in the obvious way. I define murder as intentional and wrongful killing of another person. If the laws of men do not…

I agree! There are a very few fundamental truths. I think the ones we can agree on are:
Do not murder.

Assuming we're talking about murder as defined in the law, no.

Do not commit adultery.

I am in a loving relationship of 20 years' standing (actually nearly 30 if…

"Of course ( ) should be illegal, otherwise you're just encouraging it."
Oh, if the case were only that easy to make,
I'm sure we'd all have a little list.

__Sending…

Sending your kids to a single-sex school
Piddling in a crowded paddling pool
Posing and preaching and pulling flies' wings
These…

I'm sorry, but if you cannot find it in yourself to agree that there is nothing wrong with all four of those statements then there is no room left for discussion elsewhere.

Oh thank God.

Hmm. Nope, we only agree on one of those. How messy. Where to now?

Why would it not be other than to cater for those who want to do it?

I find murder immoral and deserving of illegality equally.

I have no problem calling adultery immoral... but illegal?

church and state. the two should never ever mix.

__I must comment, Grant, that despite you being a little more aggressive with your persistence in driving some points home than is normally acceptable you have managed to seem polite all the same, even when being 'attacked'. even though I have obviously…

What was your comment about control in aid of?

perhaps legislation and an attitude toward preserving life would reveal more of those amazing secrets.

thats not really how the current human world works Grant. take into account quality versus quantity of life; less drain on resources; better social structures; more effective sharing of ideas and ideals. how does bigger…

There seems far too much legislation and attitude bent toward "switching off" when perhaps legislation and an attitude toward preserving life would reveal more of those amazing secrets.

Donor stuff is…

So your clause requiring a couple of hours before calling it is not…

My organs are up…

Anyway... I believe that joke was voted (by someone, somewhere) the best joke ever.