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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						National seem to fear the economy at the moment, convinced that our overseas bankers will see through our first world pretensions .I wish Rod Oram was in cabinet.  What would of Cullen have done I wonder?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That is a lie</p></blockquote><p>It would certainly seem so, coming from an international finance expert as it did.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/politics/2450388/Budget-to-break-election-promise" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The irony of hiring bureaucrats to sack bureaucrats</a>... something straight out of Yes, Minister.</p><blockquote><p>But as 70 jobs were axed at ACC yesterday, the cost of the handpicked razor gang appointed to help the Government find savings was under fire. It was revealed that former Treasury secretary Graham Scott is…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:52:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Key just said to Havoc on 95bfm that nobody thought we would have such a recession 6 months ago.</p></blockquote><p>So, Mr Key, nobody said to you during the election campaign. "Dont you think it's unwise or unaffordable to be promising tax cuts with the recession we are now in, that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:50:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Key just said to Havoc on 95bfm that nobody thought we would have such a recession 6 months ago. That is a lie.  Chris Hoquard left the station while he was drivelling on. :)
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I had a listen to the Standard and Poors fellow on the radio the other day, and I sorta skim read Fran O'Sullivan's column (you don't actually have to read her ideological fart columns to know what they will contain) and I guffawed at the drivel from Roger Kerr in…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:31:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>sorry, but demonise i must.<br />and the use of "it's all ACT's fault!" as a way of weaseling out is quite pathetic, imo.</p><p>Key and his merry band of rammers-under-urgency are a disgrace. and a reflection of all that cerebral action on the part of the people who voted for…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						No point in demonising all Nat voters. Act ones on the other hand deserve everyone's congratulations for what they have wrought.
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What exactly did people think they were getting</p></blockquote><p>Ben,</p><p>you're not seriously implying that the people who voted for National actually did so based on "thinking", are you?</p><p>being pre-programmed by the corporate/state-owned media doesn't count as "thinking".</p><p>(sorry, couldn't resist that)</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't see why anyone is surprised that the government is paying such attention to S&amp;P.</p><p>What exactly did people think they were getting when they voted in a foreign exchange trader?</p></blockquote><p>Exactly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:29:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<p>I don't see why anyone is surprised that the government is paying such attention to S&amp;P.</p><p>What exactly did people think they were getting when they voted in a foreign exchange trader?</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>"Message to Substandard &amp; Poorly's: you don't run NZ, NZers do!"</p><p>Seriously, at the next possible opportunity, if anyone of us can appear on TV and put a copy of the S&amp;P report through a paper shredder &ndash; live on TV &ndash; I can't think of a starker gesture of disapproval.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:10:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>@Sacha</p><blockquote><p>Fran O'Sullivan?</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>This week's repeated admonitions by S&amp;P that it would expect the New Zealand Government to start posting Budget operating surpluses over the next three to five years translates to: "Get your affairs in order, Government &ndash; or we'll whack you with a ratings downgrade."</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>"batshit crazy"</p></blockquote><p>LOL</p><blockquote><p>It…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Are we cutting government services to donate the money to the private sector now?</p></blockquote><p>Actually, you're right. I hadn't thought of it like that.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't mind MS what I mind is not being able to use anything else.</p></blockquote><p>Oh well, take that up with your middle management by all means. We're basically free to put whatever we want on our computers, despite there being some costs when things get fubared.</p><p>As one academic…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cutting government investment in services to reduce private sector debt seems like nothing more than magical thinking.</p></blockquote><p>Are we cutting government services to donate the money to the private sector now?</p>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<p>My experience as tech support at A University in the '90s was that there were several professors who fought tooth and nail to prevent their IT being upgraded, 'cos they'd spent huge amounts of time writing WordPerfect macros and didn't want to lose the work. </p><p>OTOH, my experience around various…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>anyone who thinks that S&amp;P is a credible source of creditworthiness information is "batshit crazy".</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10574704&amp;pnum=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fran O'Sullivan</a>?</p><blockquote><p>Credit rating agency Standard &amp; Poor's is exactly the right sort of bogeyman to scare Kiwis into accepting a tough &ndash; but realistic &ndash; Budget.</p></blockquote><p>As an antidote can I highly recommend that <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion/2436669/Discrediting-the-credit-rating-threats" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rod Oram story</a>…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Kyle</p><blockquote><p>because it would be my biggest nightmare from hell.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry for the generalisation. I know there are some very good folks out there trying. But the above comment is one problem I hit, the aim surely is to make the professor more efficient even if it costs you time.…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Sorry Stephen &ndash; I overreacted</p><blockquote><p>like giving your ballerinas standard issue steelcap boots.</p></blockquote><p>Oh that's great Stephen I will steal that and pretend it's mine.</p><p>Sorry about the reaction, it is just an area of frustration about the way we view workplaces in general, &ndash; standardisation is good, all staff…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Because the people making the decisions, usually suit wearing middle managers, are too lazy to use their brains. Or simply don't actually have functioning brains. Or are keen to stamp their mark on an organisation by changing previous decisions.</p></blockquote><p>That's a terrible generalisation. My workplace is one of the largest…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Bart &ndash; I said "much government work", not "all government work." I only wanted to provide a counter to Rich's picture of government work as administration, not to increase your legitimate bitterness about the resources available to you. </p><p>Personally I think research is the last area where you would want…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Stephen</p><blockquote><p>On the third point, much government work is not "knowledge work" per se but more data entry or process orientated. A more restricted computing environment is safer, cheaper, easier to administer and eminently feasible to build (and clone and rebuild and update) on a free software stack.</p></blockquote><p>?!?!</p><p>As…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Oh, and while I agree that support people for open systems cost more they're also historically far more cost-effective for the systems:admin ratio. You need many more MS admins than OSS admins for the same number of servers.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Bart, if we're trying to save costs by going away Windows and Office, why would we then switch from the Microsoft Tax to the Jobs Tax by getting Macs? PC hardware will run Linux just fine, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a Mac. The hardware quality…
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Quite why we persist in sending so much bloody money into the coffers of a foreign company when there are cheaper, viable alternatives is rather beyond me.</p></blockquote><p>Because the people making the decisions, usually suit wearing middle managers, are too lazy to use their brains. Or simply don't actually have…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>For that matter, even Microsoft isn't indistinguishable from Microsoft, in the sense that changes between OS versions and Office versions can be quite marked.</p></blockquote><p>Office 2007, for example. That bloody ribbon drives me up the wall, on the few occasions when I'm forced to use it. Doesn't help that I'm…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Can't speak to the first part of that criticism ;), but as to the second, I don't think that's necessary, as long as there are other benefits. Back in the day when Microsoft didn't have monopoly power behind it, people didn't go to Microsoft products because they were indistinguishable; they…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I think government agencies do cost and analyse FOSS solutions. Most of the ones I deal with do (and in purely commercial terms, it makes sense for IT consultants to recommend open source, as it costs more in implementation rather than license costs).</p><p>I'm not suggesting for a moment that…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What do you chuck overboard?</p></blockquote><p>anyone whose initials are P.H. and whose first name is Paul gets a free one-way ticket to Bagram Air Base.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You've just bought TVNZ for an excellent price. Now to business. What do you chuck overboard?</p></blockquote><p>I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have OpenOffice at home. It's by no means equivalent to MS Office &ndash; maybe 75%, with no features that MS don't provide that I've been able to find. As soon as I can find some sort of semi-hookey MS license, I'm going back to MS.</p><p>I reckon if you…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote>I have OpenOffice at home. It's by no means equivalent to MS Office &ndash; maybe 75%, with no features that MS don't provide that I've been able to find. As soon as I can find some sort of semi-hookey MS license, I'm going back to MS. </blockquote>Open Office runs on…
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hi Rich.</p><p>This from the Herald 28 July:</p></blockquote><p>Yep, that's the sort of thing. Although in my far from perfect recall, there were a few more bits around the same time &ndash; editorials, columnists fulminating, etc. Although it was possibly only Garth George grumping on about how round here in…</p>
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						<p>Can I just point out, that part of that "sabotage" included making it so I could afford to join?</p><p>I dont like all their changes, and I'm hardly a Nat supporter, but the drop from 4% minimum to 2% means I could actually join.  </p><p>I'd be interested to see if…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:18:24 +1200</pubDate>
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						Oh, have <a href="http://www.kiwisaver.govt.nz/media/ks-media-stats-090430.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the reference for that</a>
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						<blockquote><p>A Weekend Herald survey..</p></blockquote><p>In the real world, over a 1 million people (out of that 2 million) are now signed up to Kiwisaver. 66% of those opted in when changing jobs choose to stay in, so one could see this figure climbing to 1.4mln, were it not for NACTs…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>drop Microsoft products</p></blockquote><p>I have OpenOffice at home. It's by no means equivalent to MS Office &ndash; maybe 75%, with no features that MS don't provide that I've been able to find. As soon as I can find some sort of semi-hookey MS license, I'm going back to MS.</p><p>I…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>they use S&amp;P to let them know if a country has gone batshit crazy</p></blockquote><p>anyone who thinks that S&amp;P is a credible source of creditworthiness information is "batshit crazy".</p><p>S&amp;P, et al, are the banksters' bagmen. they facilitated the CDF and MBS meltdown (pyramid scam), which has subsequently seen a massive consolidation in…</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If the world recession gets deeper and longer, expect English to start thinking about selling government commercial enterprises to pay back debt.</p></blockquote><p>You've just bought TVNZ for an excellent price. Now to business. What do you chuck overboard?</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Well, if National's keen on saving money, they could start by doing everything possible to encourage the public sector to drop Microsoft products, in light of <a href="http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/5FA015D542415324CC2575C100804A31" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">failed negotiations with the SSC</a> for an all-of-government discount. Quite why we persist in sending so much bloody money into the coffers of a…
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<p>Hi Rich.</p><p>This from the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/kiwisaver/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501206&amp;objectid=10454300" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald 28 July</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Lots of interest but low uptake for KiwiSaver </p><p><br />Providers blame slow start on apathy and uncertainty about future of scheme if National Party wins general election </p><p>Uncertainty, confusion and just plain apathy are being blamed for an apparently slower than expected uptake of…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Blake Monkley</title>
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						If the world recession gets deeper and longer, expect English to start thinking about selling government commercial enterprises to pay back debt. I do wonder if  the economic hit men are circling.
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The sign-up numbers have been huge to date</p></blockquote><p>On a slight side-note, but does anyone remember the chortling from certain quarters (coughtheheraldcough) when take-up numbers were percieved to be slow just after introduction.</p><p>My memory is of a few stories along the lines of: 'oh look its been available for…</p>
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						Cutting the government contribution to kiwisaver would save far more govt expenditure (short term), but as you say, would have far greater affects politically, and on the future of the country...  I dont forsee it happening this budget.  But if things really keep getting worse in the future, it might…
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Cutting more out of Kiwisaver has a possible risk to political capital though &ndash; "Messing with your future super", "Putting our problems onto our grandkids" etc... <br />And you don't really free up much cash (I'm presuming here).</p><p>I reckon, cut all the Govt contributions, make it compulsory at 4% (which…</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>because my budget prediction is bye-bye to the $1000 sign-up incentive.</em></p><p>I would hope not. The sign-up numbers have been huge to date, so the number of people still out there to signup to recieve that $1000 is relatively small &ndash; it would make relatively little annual impact I should…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2441646/Tight-new-security-to-stop-leaks" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tight new security to stop leaks</a></p><blockquote><p>Unprecedented security surrounds the release of Thursday's Budget amid fears that the details of a massive market-sensitive borrowing programme will be leaked.</p><p>As the Government racks up a mountain of debt, with big implications for interest rates and the dollar, the Treasury has…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well Rod Oram seems to disagree that there's a problem</p></blockquote><p>But he did just say on RNZ that it was outrageous that S&amp;P get to look at the budget 2 days ahead of everyone else &ndash;<br />I'm guessing Moodys et al were not afforded the same "courtesy"...</p><p>yrs<br />Humphrey Dumpty<br />__Pullet…</p>
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<p>Well Rod Oram seems to disagree that there's a problem and points out there are two other agencies who don't seem to have a problem with us...</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion/2436669/Discrediting-the-credit-rating-threats" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Discrediting the credit rating threats</a></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Do they own the country?</p><p>No not quite &ndash; they own the agency that tells the people who <em>do</em>  own the country whether it's time to sell the country off to the lowest er highest bidder.</p><p>Essentially the guys who have lent NZ billions of dollars own most of the…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						You want growth Mr English? you need R&D, you need start up companies, 100s of new ones each year, that means you need VC investment money sloshing around &ndash; our problem in NZ is that compared to everywhere else real estate is too good an investment &ndash; almost everywhere else in…
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						<p><strong>NZ a division of McGraw-Hill?</strong></p><blockquote><p>Do they own the country now?</p></blockquote><p>follow the bouncing ball kids...</p><p>Capital IQ <a href="http://www.mcgraw-hill.com/releases/sandp/20070814a.shtml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">says</a>:</p><blockquote><p>"Our offering has become an essential part of the workflow for many financial professionals at the leading investment banks, investment managers, and private equity firms in North America. We see tremendous…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>because my budget prediction is bye-bye to the $1000 sign-up incentive.</p></blockquote><p>I would hope not. The sign-up numbers have been huge to date, so the number of people still out there to signup to recieve that $1000 is relatively small &ndash; it would make relatively little annual impact I should…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						And Mr Key's "NZ has a growth problem, not a debt problem" has been conveniently overlooked by the usual suspects.
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						<p>Call me a self interested money-grabber....</p><p>I just finally got around to joining KiwiSaver last week, because my budget prediction is bye-bye to the $1000 sign-up incentive.</p><p>Plus, you know, I really should have some long-term savings- it's only prudent, if you can afford to...</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>It was founded in 1860 by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Varnum_Poor" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Henry Varnum Poor</a></p><p>The name has an apostrophe. They're just journalists, basically. I'm not sure what the legality is of giving them enhanced access to unpublished information over say, the NZ Herald, or Public Address.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps now we can start talking about growth engines that actually work.</p></blockquote><p>And don't cost anything.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>From what I've heard on Good Morning this morning it seems like Standard and Poors have had played a large part in the makeup of this weeks budget. They even get a look at the final draft before anyone else. Do they own the country now?</p></blockquote><p>[[http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-attacks-[call-for-new-faces-in-cabinet-1693290.html|Apparently they're now trying…</p>
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						<p>'Right team, here's the name for our new credit-rating agency'</p><p>'Hmmm &ndash; I'm a little worried that one day we may be complicit in enabling a world-wide financial crisis, and this name may somehow be used as the basis of an embarrassing play on words. Perhaps we should run it…</p>
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						<blockquote>From what I've heard on Good Morning this morning it seems like Standard and Poors have had played a large part in the make up of this weeks budget. They even get a look at the final draft before anyone else.</blockquote>Why am I not surprised? Actually wouldn't be surprised if…
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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						From what I've heard on Good Morning this morning it seems like Standard and Poors have had played a large part in the makeup of this weeks budget. They even get a look at the final draft before anyone else. Do they own the country now?
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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