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InternationalObserver

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:51:02 +1300

Heh heh, I was skeptical too Kyle ... but look at the wiki page. I'm now wondering if Mike Moore knew his political future in NZ was toast (Helen Clark was working diligently, and successfully, to position herself for just the right push at the right time) and adding 'PM'…

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:38:33 +1300

who would want to put their career on the line by taking over a party as it begins its nosedive before an election?
er....

Oh well indeed.

But, I meant "with a sane view on their future career as a possible PM for more than a lunar cycle". I dunno…

Grant McDougall

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:32:54 +1300

Will anyone here move against Clark? I doubt it, and they'd probably be right not to, but Clark/Labour face the same problems Howard/the Liberals did. Sure, things are pretty good, but we're just not feeling you any more – maybe it's time for the other lot to have a go?

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InternationalObserver

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:19:40 +1300

who would want to put their career on the line by taking over a party as it begins its nosedive before an election?

er....

Ben Austin

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:55:57 +1300

One thing that does sadden me is that we will probably never experience a PM being evicted from the House after losing their seat while we have the version of MMP we do. I kind of like that it can happen on the odd occasion, it puts the fear into…

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:23:04 +1300

If you take out the word 'soon' I'd say your answer was Phil Goff. Trouble is he's followed the Peter Costello route inasmuch as he's 'playing nice', biding his time, not challenging the leader.

I can't say he does it for me (actually, I can't hear his name without thinking…

InternationalObserver

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:55:32 +1300

in NZ I'd see a primary problem as there not being anyone waiting in the wings who you'd say "I could see them taking over from Clark soon".

If you take out the word 'soon' I'd say your answer was Phil Goff. Trouble is he's followed the Peter Costello route inasmuch…

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:45:08 +1300

Will anyone here move against Clark? I doubt it, and they'd probably be right not to, but Clark/Labour face the same problems Howard/the Liberals did. Sure, things are pretty good, but we're just not feeling you any more – maybe it's time for the other lot to have a go?

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InternationalObserver

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:29:38 +1300

And Peter Costello has joined him on that long walk back to the pavilion. If Howard had of stepped down during his last term as he promised ("I've changed my mind, and everyone agree's with me") the election results may have been different. Costello's failure to force the leadership issue…

Paul Campbell

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:42:21 +1300

Aussie Prime Minister John
Thought he'd carefully pass the baton
But he forced work-choices
Each worker rejoices
As the Aussies just said "begone"

Charles Mabbett

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:56:12 +1300

Another parallel although I don't like it – but I bet John Howard is thinking it because he's a 'cricket tragic'- is Don Bradman's last innings in which he scored a duck. John 'I think I'm Bradman' Howard takes the long walk to the pavilion, robbed of a test average…

Public Address

Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:56:11 +1300

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