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				<title>M Davy</title>
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						Whilst portrayed correctly in early life as a small businessman, AE Davy did have some family connections in politics beyond those of local commerce. Alberts family emigrated to New Zealand in the 1840’s from the area of Bridgend (near Cardiff). His great grandfather was a Captain in the East India…
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				<title>Mark</title>
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						Is this the same Chris Trotter who excused any wrong doing by Labour re electoral funds back in 2005 because it kept those evil Nats who don't think like us away from government? I'm sure he said something about "good corruption". Does anyone have a link for that opinion piece…
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Undie 500 is coming up this weekend so Dunnes beware. <br />Trotter got it so wrong on the Smacking Bill didn't he. <br />If you're gonna be wrong might as well do it from the moral high ground. He wanted status quo and just lament the dreadful bashings of kiddies to continue.…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He also gets the majority of his information from the trade union bar in Auckland, with his sources being whoever happens to be around at the time. This might go to explain how he is so often so incredibly wrong.</p></blockquote><p>In the 1990s he lived in Dunedin, and I think…</p>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						Hageresque? National has not disputed that the emails Hager highlights in his book are true. You're saying., then, Mr Prick, that Trotter is also telling the truth?
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				<title>Insolent Prick</title>
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						<p>What stands out, in Trotter's quest to tell a ripping yarn, rather than recount history, is the tenuous Hageresque threads he draws:</p><blockquote><p>In the course of his sojourn in the US Davy would have become familiar with the ideas of the celebrated political journalist Walter Lippmann. During World War I,…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>When he isn't being melodramatic, Trotter is one of our most perceptive political writers. </p><p>Perhaps this is because demanding proper journalistic standards might actually put him out of a job?</p></blockquote><p>I tend to agree that Chris Trotter is one of our best political writers, putting aside whatever that suggests about…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:26:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>Some extracts:<br />__<br />The President of the United States possesses<br /> more individual power in the way of moving armies and declaring war than any other monarch. This has always been the case.</p><p>It was the habit of Americans to declare that they did not believe in standing armies or fleets.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:34:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, while we are plugging histories of NZ, here is my new favourite, and from one of our greatest Prime Ministers no less!</p></blockquote><p>Wow. Just wow.</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>Well, while we are plugging histories of NZ, here is my new favourite, and from one of our greatest Prime Ministers no less!</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini_2000_-_A_Woman%27s_Destiny " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Introduction</a></p><p><a href="http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-AnnVoge.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> A free, online copy</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:40:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but he's a lot like Christopher Hitchens</p></blockquote><p>except for the height and drinking prowess. But there's a similarity of sorts in their rhetorical style. Sometimes you like what the write even when one disagrees but at others you dislike what they write even when one agrees.</p><p>The main problem I…</p>
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				<title>Tane Wilton</title>
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						Having been involved with two union-related events that Chris Trotter just got <em>completely</em> wrong, and I mean down to the most basic of facts, I can't help but think he's your archetypal armchair socialist, literally banging out his columns from an armchair in front of a blazing fire, glass of…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						OK, that sounded far too harsh &ndash; I doubt Trotter would appreciate the comparison, but he's a lot like Christopher Hitchens: intelligent, literate, writes a feel for language and a bitchy, pugnacious wit I find attractive.  But, every so often, you trip over the peculiar hobby horses and Old Testament…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When he isn't being melodramatic, Trotter is one of our most perceptive political writers.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I thiink today's effort in the DomPost today wasn't so such 'emlodramatic' as pure self-parody.  But let's be honest about it, would Trotter be the media's favourite lefty (as a rather puffy piece in the…</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>And what the exchange rate does to things like petrol prices. </p><p>Oh, and interest rates. They've already de-coupled from the Reserve Bank's official cash rate, and if liquidity really becomes an issue they could go quite high.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						How rich dairy farmers get depends a lot on Fonterra's hedging strategy. Depending on that, they may not get much richer at all. And the poor old meat people are at the mercy of meat companies, who seem strangely reluctant to pass much on...
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Speaking of agriculture, how damn rich did the dairy farmers get yesterday?</p></blockquote><p>Up to their eyeballs in white powder today :-) Scenes from Scarface flash up before me.</p><p>Still, I don't begrudge farmers their time in the sun. As I have said before the lamb growers are having a tough…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My politics may not have changed much over the years but my sense of righteousness has. I think Trotter and other are too convinced of being right and others being wrong to offer much new insight, IMvHO.</p></blockquote><p>I certainly couldn't lure him into any nuance over the reforms of the…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>National has always been (with perhaps a small interregnum of the post-WW2 consensus under Holyaoke) the party primarily concerned with looking after its backers &ndash; farmers and the business elite.</p></blockquote><p>This may be true but behind that concern is surely a belief that those sectors drive wealth and wellbeing. You…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote>But entirely absent from that dispiriting December evening in 1931 is the great surge of hope and relief that will fl ow through the working class communities of New Zealand in four years' time. To be sure, the ravages of the Depression have boosted the size of Labour's 'democratic public'…</blockquote>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>I always read Trotter's work or at least take a look at it, despite coming from the other side of the political divide.</p><p>The occasions I only glance at it are when he gets right into his more melodramatic type of writing. </p><p>Melodrama is always inaccurate. It relies on shining…</p>
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				<title>Gabor Toth</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...and Coates was looking for ways to weather the storm. As the first New Zealand prime minister actually born in this country</p></blockquote><p>Bzzz!<br />The intellectually brilliant Francis Henry Dillon Bell beats Coates as the first NZ born PM (though admittedly it was only for a short time).  Still &ndash; it…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>First stop in the morning is the bookstore!</p><p>I've always been convinced the key difference between Labour and National is Labour is a party at least founded upon a progressive principle; National has always been (with perhaps a small interregnum of the post-WW2 consensus under Holyaoke) the party primarily concerned…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Damn, another book to buy. And I already have too many to read...</p></blockquote><p>And not a short one, either ...</p><p>One interesting thing to emerge from the interview is that characters who are essentially grey men in Michael King's Penguin History emerged quite differently in Chris's book. King found them…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						Damn, another book to buy.  And I already have too many to read...
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				<title>Alastair Jamieson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the pithy observation that modern politics was 'the shadow cast upon society by big business'</p></blockquote><p>And he hadn't even heard of John Key....</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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