I wasn't ready for this thread to die, and I certainly didn't want to be the one who killed it. So can we move…

Can we get PAS declared a cult, so we can get banned in China [thread splice].

Russell Brown or Russell Brand, that is the question.

Oh, well played sir.

One could argue that in this respect, the clear commercialism of Britney Spears is actually more 'authentic' and 'honest' than the apparent affectations of the BDO brand position.

Ok, so I'm reading in larger font now, and this really needs to be slam dunked. Can someone please throw me a…

businesspeople not in the know will still be wondering why so many of their younger staff called in sick this morning

And someone might gently have a word in Mr Dodd's ear about this thing we Earth people call 'the weekend'.

What a twerp.

Ahh, Westie culture.

Way out west, there is the Kai Festival at Kawhia on Feb 6.

They're the opposition. Crowey and me are going to find a paddock and let our respective armies have it out.

My almost sole claim to fame is R Crowe throwing me in the freezer at The Venue on my 16th birthday. So if you want a legionnaire with the bloodlust,…

Crowey and me are going to find a paddock and let our respective armies have it out.

As long as there are no skirts&sandals!

And the idea that…

What the Hell is a 'follower of Russell Crowe'??

They're the opposition. Crowey and me are going to find a paddock and let our respective armies have it out.

Apparently, if my team wins, capitalism's over.

Some of the points it makes are blindingly self-evident (eg 'alternative' is just another genre or marketing slot) but it is interesting that these view are expressed by a marketing type.

As you say, it's jam-packed with the bleeding obvious.

He uses the phrases "counter-culture" and "counter-cultural" 14 times in…

Anyone see Devendra Banhart? He's the one I was most curious about.

Didn't see him, but the alternative stages didn't seem to work very well this year: big crowds, poor sound — not helped by bleed from the relocated Local Produce stage.

Jeez, Campbell Smith was trying it on a…

But yeah, far from the best BDO musically

We covered the Girl Talk-Ladyhawke-Kora clash by seeing a bit of each, ending with Kora, who I thought were tremendous…

I found it very difficult to get inspired by anything after Minuit and Kora,…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk6Y3tLpfQg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIkvii7Hp8k

Dubnobasswithmyheadman is still the one album that I would press upon strangers if provoked.

Testify, brother! Ride those sainted rhythms on the midnight train to Romford!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWuAc4pnYFc

I remeber trying to get a drink at one of the quieter bars (with noisey music) on the strip and this kid (15yrs I think) challenged me to a Crump-off.
As it was one on one I passed, but latter had to do my Pete…

Oh, the sea parts for me and my buddies: that's how much rock 'n' roll we got.

That's not rock 'n' roll. That's whiff of old person. They're hoping you had a sponge bath before you left the home.

Nice chaps, although I wouldn't have picked that they'd become Underworld.

I always thought that the real power behind Underworld's throne was Darren Emerson. Before he joined, they were wandering in the vague pop wilderness. After he left, they got lost in doof doof land. But while he was there,…

it wasn't the Simply Red version which popped into my head – it was this one

Heh. My favourite thing about the David Brent version is that he clearly has never even heard Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes. So it's a derivative cover of a derivative cover. With white…

Anyway, just wanted to say Happy BDO peoples. Don't get too sunburned/wasted/lost. And enjoy milling in a sea of teenagers.

Oh, the sea parts for me and my buddies: that's how much rock 'n' roll we got.

It's a real pity that tosser Mick Hucknall covered 'If You Don't Know Me By Now', too, because the original is so glorious.

Heard the original on the radio yesterday and it wasn't the Simply Red version which popped into my head – it was this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvkEn-6Y5w

A moment for the great Teddy P

Yes, rest in peace Teddy. I love this one – eight and a half minutes of capital-D Drama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdEUoLYBQw

(With *extensive* spoken-word interludes. I am such a sucker for a spoken-word interlude.)

It's a real pity that tosser Mick Hucknall covered 'If You…

But some of you will have come across the Auckland-based journalist and author Chris Bell, who used to play bass for Freur live.

wow. Didn't know that either. Never met Chris in the flesh but have had numerous online exchanges with him. On tax policy and Alvin Stardust, though not…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itUrjWNGnZQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy6iBg0VHcg&feature=related

might have gone down a bit like when Neil Finn responded to Sting singing one of his songs to him back stage with a rendition of de do do do de dah dah dah.

But some of you will have come across the…

wasn't quite so funny when I sat down for a listen. still, interesting musical footnote given where they…

And yeah, you are right, it was a hit in Europe, Canada, and, indeed the US. God knows why.

10 Reasons Jay Reatard Was Cool

It was there for ages. It seemed.

And I think it was a hit in some other countries as well. Canada…

Lalala, lalalala la, lalala, lala lalala...

Anyway, if you won't, I will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVybOXeWnhw

[Redacted] Phew that was close, I nearly posted Kylie doing her remix of Blue Monday, but thought better of it just before the 15 minutes was up... Carry on.

(Prepared to be told otherwise)..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsioyQxePc

and bonus from some years later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Pts7AljZQ

I'm surprised we haven't got here yet, but now…

Whilst we are talking of untimely deaths, the great French filmmaker Eric Rohmer has died, aged 89.

Well, as Sacha has pointed out, I seem to have conflated "I didn't like it" with "It's overrated"

Hey, nothing personal. We were a party to the conflation – that's communication for you. I like Geoff's word "resonance".

Sigue Sigue Sputnik were also good by me, along with easier to…

these must indeed be the final days...

The lineage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC86XGs38tQ&feature=related

Yeah, I know he's almost dead...

Six weeks, if memory serves.

Of course, there probably isn't an apparently unique chord progression anywhere that's never been heard before.

Gerry and the holograms put me in mind of another
digi-didgeridoo-hoodoo is there a Dr in the House?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF2x5IKxmAQ

and I too, will hear no ill spoken of Mistah Vandross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWMn-LW3rCA&feature=related

– what next,…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzttQGJJW0

Of course, there probably isn't an apparently unique chord progression anywhere that's never been heard before.

Indeed, but it's eerily close. The flip side of this is like Being Boiled Pt2, but then the single was meant as a pisstake of the…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9u5rfyTIoo

now, not claiming that because this bunch are from Manchester as well and pre-date BM's release that the progression must have been, ummm, borrowed, but it's interesting none the less. Of course,…

See: Pretty Things in Listener

I was at the New Plymouth concert where the band was lurching around the stage, waving blazing newspapers. They could have burnt down the entire CBD of New Plymouth but at that stage of my life, I wouldn't have cared. In wake of this concert,…

Still, I'll know I've hit rock bottom when I start mainlining Luther Vandross.

Simon, are you there?

Since you brought it up, here's some Alexander O'neil, doing that dancehall classic, Criticize ;-) (Runs, hides...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySYwZNH65I&feature=related

I also liked The Pretty Things
more than the Stones.

that's serious street cred Geoff!

...hell I think Phil May and the boys
may still be banned from most major
metropolitan centres in New Zild
See: Pretty Things in Listener

The Pretty Things featured…

I prefer his version of 'personal jesus', though, staying on the Depeche Mode tip. The Marylin Manson version....not so much.

Incidentally, I reckon Johnny Cash is a gateway drug to…

To mention Johnny Cash doing Hurt would seem almost so obvious as to be irrelevant.

But I suspect some people don't like that either. Do I need to take another nana nap?

As for the third party remixes, that's like putting a $50 spoiler on a Ferrari. You could, but why would ya?

Well, 99% of the time I'd agree with you. Same with cover versions. But 1% of the time you get a glorious reinterpretation that puts a beautiful new twist…

Yes, he was a drugged-out cheeseball, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1tybhgfrHg

I'd guess perhaps I'm a bit too young to 'get' the relevant context.

No offense intended, Rich, but that line always irks me. Amongst my most loved works are the Miles Davis collection, Birth Of Cool, Elvis' Sun Collection, a couple of Charlie Parker albums from the 1940s, an Ellington…

In my youth I was rather snotty about Elvis too, until ( later on) I read Slow Train to Memphis and discovered his early recordings.

That book is what made me go on a road trip to Memphis. I'm so glad I did, as we now have a brick from…

The same for Radiohead.

I'm going to have to go lie down for a bit. Although I do know others who can't stand his whiny voice, but if I displayed my abject idolatry for New Order above, wait until I get started on Radiohead.

No, actually, can't be bothered.

Here's…

Are you all trying to kill me?

Never, never, never Danielle. It is not that I don't like The Beatles but I was just trying to say that they have no personal resonance for me, in terms of stirring memories, reliving old thrills, prickling hairs-on-the-back-of-my-neck. This is no commentary on…

But I also didn't get Portishead until Portishead 3 as I had unwisely considered them to be hairstylists music. The same for Radiohead.

If you got their self-titled album first, rather than Dummy, then you can be excused. It was average. And 3 and Dummy are quite different. A couple…

The Beatles have nil resonance for me

Are you all trying to kill me? Rich doesn't like 'Blue Monday', Geoff doesn't like The Beatles. What's next? Is someone going to tell me they think Little Richard was too over the top? Frank Sinatra isn't a very good interpretive vocalist? Bob…

Looks like we've finally found the PAS equivalent of an HR Bateman cartoon.
"The man who didn't think Blue Monday was all that good".

Well, their charms eluded me too. But I also didn't get Portishead until Portishead 3 as I had unwisely considered them to be hairstylists music. The…

Never seen it before.

New Order notoriously made virtually nothing from Blue Monday in the 1980s (or from their records) although I'm sure they are not short of a few quid, but as of 2009, at least two if them still live in the same street they grew up in.

As the above…

If Rich had just said "I didn't like it" I suspect the intake of breath wouldn't have been so audible.

"The man who didn't think Blue Monday was all that good".

Or so the typically Tony Wilson legend goes ... That might have just been the first pressing.

It was more than that. Any dosh that Factory made from New Order (and there there are bountiful income streams beyond the 12" sales) was largely funneled back into the black hole that…

I'm also impressed that the first track to push the 12'' single vinyl format seems to still be its biggest seller, several decades later. Mind you, might just be that CDs came in at the…

New Order notoriously made virtually nothing from Blue Monday in the 1980s (or from their records)

The story is that they actually lost money on Blue Monday because of the expense of printing the sleeve. Or so the typically Tony Wilson legend goes ... That might have just been the…

We wrote “Le Freak” because we were denied entry to Studio 54 on New Year’s Eve 1977–78. Grace Jones had invited us to see her show, and she assumed…

I'd guess perhaps I'm a bit too young to 'get' the relevant context.

No offense intended, Rich, but that line always irks me. Amongst my most loved works are the Miles Davis collection, Birth Of Cool, Elvis' Sun Collection, a couple of Charlie Parker albums from the 1940s, an Ellington…

Anyhoo, I'm gonna stop because I have clearly reached the point of crusty old musical snob. Rich, the good thing about Musical opinion is that it is, well an opinion. The fact is if I didn't…

Blue Monday is one of those tracks that seems to have been part of the aural landscape since forever. A re-release with a couple of new remixes seems to come around every few years with depressing regularity,…

Gordon flippin' Bennett.

That was rather restrained. Several NO tracks changed the course of modern music, IMNSHO.
Ceremony. Check.
Confusion. Check.
Blue Monday. Check.
Perfect Kiss. Check.
Bizarre Love Triangle. Check.
Should I go on? Ok, so I'm clearly biased, but they are legends. Frankly I think this stuff should…

And I've always thought 'blue monday' was highly overrated.

This shall not stand!

(Oh, Simon already said it. Carry on, then.)

And I've always thought 'blue monday' was highly overrated. But 'crystal' is a tune...

Gordon flippin' Bennett, those orginals changed the face of popular music. Without them, most of the stuff on that You Tube doco simply wouldn't exist. In a way, New Order were far more important than Joy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLwrdp8RV5A

And I've always thought 'blue monday' was highly overrated. But 'crystal' is a tune...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZzyZSjAQxs

Sure it wasn't the rider? Also, does the rule in NZ about not serving "intoxicated" people apply to performers, or is…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN0y-U7Ai8Q

[The Pogues] wanted too much money

Sure it wasn't the rider? Also, does the rule in NZ about not serving "intoxicated" people apply to performers, or is there an exemption for international drunkards of noted talent..

Sad as it may seem, Muse are a bigger draw than Neil Young.

That may be because the target audience for BDO wasn't born when Neil Young was in his prime.

Although I don't do BDO (I've been twice, and the queues and fencing around the bars reminded me of…

That album has some great moments, but I feel like such an old fart listening to it.

I liked some of the Electronic stuff also, possibly more so the third album Twisted Tenderness, but that passed a lot of people by completely I think. Maybe it's a bit 'Breakfast Club',…

I was surprised to find out that they were an English band 'cos I had been living there for years and had never heard of them.

They were much bigger in NZ than anywhere else. My Spine Is The Bassline was a huge club tune in the early 1980s and…

There is an odd disconnect between NO and JD..as if people haven't worked out they are the same band.

I heard Bad Lieutenant on bFm a while back, and I rang up and said, 'Wow, that's Bernard Sumner', and the DJ at the time said 'Who?'

I felt old. And…

Back to the BDO, yeah while I'm a hard core fan of all that is the day in the park, where's the quintessential act?

New Order, Iggy Pop, Neil Young aaaand... Lily Allen. Meh!

I spoke to someone who knows yesterday: sales are ahead of where the BDO was at…

Tackhead (in my top 5) & Jesus and the Mary Chain. Is this getting a bit Facebook-ish?

Of course it is, but who cares...yes Tackhead, of course. Huge.

I've got NO doing Atmosphere at the 2002 BDO, and there is an eerie silence before and after the song,

There is an…

The next time in Auckland was '86 or '87 at the Galaxy, where they famously pulled out Ceremony to a huge response, which meant they could do no wrong after that, and finished with a cover of Sister Ray. I've got a tape of that show somewhere.

Actually, I think…

i'd been old enough to see N.O. at Mainstreet at the end of '82

The eighties were a fairly rich time to be seeing edgy live music in Auckland (and much of NZ, although not all toured south), thanks to a new breed to adventurous promoters both in NZ (Terry…

and if I'm not dreaming, we went to Quay Street for Car Crash Set afterwards. Simon will correct me if I'm wrong ;-)

I went to the '82 gig (and got to spend a fair bit of time with Rob Gretton, who asked if I wanted to distribute Factory..I had…

New Order, Iggy Pop, Neil Young aaaand... Lily Allen. Meh!

Still Dimmer in the Boiler room, Minuit, Kora on the main stage, Mars Volta screaming maniacally…

So the sum total of my knowledge of '80's Chicago house comes from about three tracks and watching a UK Channel 4 series called 'Pump up the volume: a history of house'.

Which, thanks to the wonders of the internet, appears to be available here.

Ah yes. I have a…

certainly those videos make me still wish i'd been old enough to see N.O. at Mainstreet at the end of '82. thanks!

@recordari

NO in NYC, 1981. Completely fucking wonderful (there are a bunch more songs on YouTube from the same gig if you've not seen them).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhNDKZmxRLM

Glad to see Power, Corruption & Lies on the stamps. Might have gone with Closer, but still, something by Peter Saville had to be there.

in the spirit of

Heh.. another welcome returnee

Rich, gotta say: nice to find that it's not just me and Simon here who love this music.

Well, the problem with music is it's like history: they've already made so damn much of it and they keep making more. It was a lot easier to keep up when I…

The most obscure musical reference point ever on PAS?

Unlikely to be intended as a reference to Oz politics, but in the spirit of The Lizard's penchant for multiplicity of meanings:
Feathered Blue Meanies and
Budgie smugglers unite

kill the Coldplay, add the PIL

What woulda been cool is PiL's Album, rendered thus:

Stamp

And that bought me to this (or…

I worry about the rehabilitation of Roger Dean, post Cameron, since Avatar could only exist in a post Relayer universe. There are bigger things that should concern me, but this weighs....

Lucky we are Hip to this Gnosis
otherwise we'd get Vertigo
Feathered Blue Meanies and
Budgie smugglers unite
Yes,…

Rich, gotta say: nice to find that it's not just me and Simon here who love this music.

Oi!

So am I right in thinking that the 1987 Trax release was actually a different production?

That's my understanding but I think that it's all very gray. The song was a work in progress for some years, and like lots of the Chicago stuff was handed to DJs like Knuckles…

That was the Trax release, as dodgy as just about everything else Marshall Sherman did

Trainspotter alert: there were two early versions, both with Jamie Principle on vocals, the first credited to Jamie Principle, the second to Frankie Knuckles, who produced it.

So am I right in thinking that the…

copyright 1987 to Trax Records, according to the inlay I'm looking at.

That was the Trax release, as dodgy as just about everything else Marshall Sherman did..Roy Davis Jr. told me that he and Dj Pierre used to take home-demos in to work when they were stacking shelves in the…

They've got the year wrong though..it was 84 or 85. And poor Jamie Principal loses his credit?

copyright 1987 to Trax Records, according to the inlay I'm looking at.

The youtube version was just the first decent one I could find

Well, since we're getting all Chicago on it...

They've got the year wrong though..it was 84 or 85. And poor Jamie Principal loses his credit?

Avatarred and Feathered?

Firstly, lovely to see you back here..any chance you could stroll over to Joe's and persuade him to emulate?

I worry about…

Heh, what may be the warmest, most comforting and blissful record I own was recorded on cassette in a Chicago bedroom.

Awww yeah. You just made me crank up 'Can You Feel It' in the iTunes. What music.

Well, since we're getting all Chicago on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Q0YfQ5N-Q&feature=related

condensing to stamp size

I liked the look of the London Calling postcard.

No Roger Dean.....*
*thankfully

what a Jolly Rogering...
Mr G are you looking to get
Avatarred and Feathered?
:-)

(for instance, designs that were too dark)

This would work then

And I'd have rather had Heroes for a Bowie

Agreed (or maybe Diamond Dogs.)

Interesting that they say...

Some albums could not be included for operational reasons (for instance, designs that were too dark)

... yet saw fit to include Ziggy.

And I'd have rather had Heroes for a Bowie

No Roger Dean.....*

*thankfully

The fab new UK stamps in all their glory.

Good choices, except for The Division Bell, which is close to the least iconic of all official PF album covers (and far from the greatest of Storm Thorgerson's work.)

I'm still looking for the downside here.

Music doesn't die, it just changes…

Heh, what may be the warmest, most comforting and blissful record I own was recorded on cassette in a Chicago bedroom.

Awww yeah. You just made me crank up 'Can You Feel It' in the iTunes. What music.

are you predicting a downturn from the recession as people spend less on music from having less to spend ?

I think that hit came in the last 12 months figures:

Breaking out total transactions, digital tracks grew 8.3% to nearly 1.16 billion units, which is down from the 26.7%…

some kiwi hiphop, as simon will tell you, also sux balls

i think he previously mentioned dawnraid mastering ?

are you predicting a downturn from the recession as people spend less on music from having less to spend ?

__No I don't think so. that would assume that most…

So, read any Bono this New Year? :)

Unfortunately I have.....

So I wonder who's handed over the cash for the 1.55 billion (yes billion) music transactions in the US last year. I get fucked off when I read this sort of doom-laden ill-informed drivel.

So, read any Bono this New Year? :)

uhhh...not the facebook generation, maybe the corporate licensees ? perhaps he shoulda said bebo generation...

No, because most of those transactions are kids buying tracks from iTunes and other online stores. Single track purchases by fans.

so has there been a decline in the *ahem* mastering standards of mp3's as producers rush their product out to consumers happy to listen on shit equipment whereby the subtle differences aren't noticeable ?

No I don't think so. that would assume that most producers / artists don't passionately care.…

uhhh...not the facebook generation, maybe the corporate licensees ? perhaps he shoulda said bebo generation...

The Facebook generation gets its music for free and doesn't expect to pay for it, and this has helped bring about a musical Dark Age.

So I wonder who's handed over the cash for the 1.55 billion (yes billion) music transactions in the US last year. I get fucked off…

really...do they still make long player albums on vinyl ?

Vinyl sales are increasing every year..up some 36% in the US in 2009. It's become the delivery medium of cool. Most largish rekkid stores,if you can find them, have vinyl again, and not just in the niche genres, and in…

__...In Lanier's eyes, there is no longer a middle realm in which musicians can make music according to their own standards, sell it directly to fans, and not starve. Musicians are either kids in vans making just enough money for the next gig or…

and yep, already been having speaks with Alyn.

which group are you with?

Illuminati Temple. But I didn't tell you that.

< kiwiburn organisy stuff>
Also, register on the website if you want a nice placement, eh!
< / kiwiburn organisy stuff>

I had a blast last year but I'm afraid the bush doof culture rather does my head in, so I've scored myself a generator, trawled through my rekid collection, and will be doing my own thing under my 'house of bamboo'…

and what might they be ?

Psy, trance, house, hardhouse sometimes, electro and breaks occasionally.

The only vinyl outlets in Wellington, to my knowledge, are Groovy, Samaurai (D&B, dubstep) and Slowboat (slow music).

i heard some of the original gatherers formed a trust to buy the original canaan downs site. wonder if [luminate] is them

Almost. The site is, AFAIK, owned by a group of people who encourage festivals up there. Luminate is one such, but I don't think the organisers are in…

and what might they be ?

do they still make long player albums on vinyl

Some dance albums are released as a set of records with around 4 tracks on each.

I used to DJ on vinyl but have moved to digital. The main problem is that most physical DJ record shops have gone out of…

I can't really hear the qualitative difference

A friend once played me the same track on vinyl and CD at same time and flipped the sound source back and forth. Difference clear as day – though through a phone or iPod, maybe not.

And Danielle, I believe it was this…

have they finally got around to making stereos without the twin tapedecks yet ?

Ah the memories.

I remember a college English project that involved an interview – for some reason I tried to put together a radio documentary on tape. I interviewed a family friend using with a Walkman…

Bet they don't still have those at parties

:)

so do they still make blank cassettes and have they finally got around to making stereos without the twin tapedecks yet ?

yup its been a while since i looked a stereos too. do they even call them that these days ?

me neither, especially when listening on a cell phone:)

In between this and the Limp Bizkit thing you're really gunning for excommunication aren't you... :P

I own a handful of vinyl records but have never had a player, so have never heard them – bought more out of curiosity than…

I can't really hear the qualitative difference between a 192 mp3, a FLAC and an LP' thing,

me neither, especially when listening on a cell phone:)

Heh. This is where I do my 'honestly, I can't really hear the qualitative difference between a 192 mp3, a FLAC and an LP' thing, and all the audiophile nerds look at me in abject horror. Sorry guys. :)

You may as well just tell them that you can't tell…

Heh. This is where I do my 'honestly, I can't really hear the qualitative difference between a 192 mp3, a FLAC and an LP' thing, and all the audiophile nerds look at me in abject horror. Sorry guys. :)

I need to video the bass bins on my speakers while…

really...do they still make long player albums on vinyl ?

In some genres (ie: US indie), hell yeah. They'll often come with a redemption code so you can go and download the MP3 version as well.

they also sound fantastic

Heh. This is where I do my 'honestly, I can't really hear the qualitative difference between a 192 mp3, a FLAC and an LP' thing, and all the audiophile nerds look at me in abject horror. Sorry guys. :)

*alphabetically by artist, since you ask. And…

really...do they still make long player albums on vinyl ?

What did you/do you do about the vinyl?

I love the vinyl and still buy it. I know, I'm an illogical freak :)

My earliest purchases are all on vinyl and give me some great memories, they also sound fantastic, while the CDs just remind me of how much I…

I'll probably end up listening to more music now they're all unboxed than I have done with the mp3s – it's easier to idly browse, pull out anything that catches my eye, and give it a spin.

With some kind of album view I really don't see the difference between…

Our household summer holiday project has been ripping every CD we own to a hard drive/media server, and then storing the whole music collection in boxes in the garden shed along with the weedeater. All CDs do is collect dust.

Well, having ripped most of my collection to mp3 3-4…

I recall a show — Ministry of Sound? — at the Aotea Centre that was huge. 5000 kids on a weeknight, I think.

Was that the one where Paul Oakenfold headlined and was given something rather nasty as he placed his first tune on the decks and passed out, only…

longtimers

However for example the Gathering attracted crowds of up to 10k and there were often about a thousand for visiting DJs at Auckland gigs (and that was just drum'n'bass – way more for the house ones).

I recall a show — Ministry of Sound? — at the Aotea Centre that…

My turnaround on this issue is a 180 since the advent of the mp3

Wanna buy 15,000 12" records..some hardly used...

cheap party drugs

As opposed to seventy dollars...

guilty of still buying cds

We bought the Beatles box sets, but I think that's pretty much the end of our physical purchases of music. Our household summer holiday project has been ripping every CD we own to a hard drive/media server,…

I may have been looking on the wrong places, but I get the impression that that sort of...lifestyle?...was fairly slow to catch in here.

You were well and truly looking in the wrong places, Rich. Rave culture spluttered into life here circa '87 and I'd hate to think how many…

been out of the loop for a while but might do a bit of digging and if it is, offer up my services:)

you threw your hands in the air and couldn't bring em back down again cos of the crush

I'd forgotten about that part of the 'experience'.

I get the impression that that sort of...lifestyle?...was fairly slow to catch on here

Nothing near the scale of the UK with their close…

well there is/was PHAT

the G was pretty spesh tho until financial…

mine was clouded by comparison with the superbly-organised Gathering.

A mate from back in the UK was at 'The Gathering' for one of the years. Despite the fact it apprently rained continuously, I've heard nowt but good things. Why is no-one doing anything like that anymore?

The unreasonable bias towards…

Did anyone else see this Greg Dixon column just before Christmas?

I did and I agreed with him, for it fits my sole BDO experience (to see Arcade Fire). But I wonder who the 40,000+ who have bought tickets for this year's bunfight might be.