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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>you'd have thought they could just download the data</q></p><p>Not yet. For years, law has meant that private transport operators 'own' the data for the passengers we all pay them to transport. Integrated ticketing will be quite an improvement for transport planners, not just pasengers.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 18:10:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Don't they have lots of data like that from things like car counters, bus payment cards and the like.</p><p>(although they aren't always well integrated, WRC send people out to do bus usage surveys when you'd have thought they could just download the data from Snapper).</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 16:27:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'd probably agree with Matthew's guess, on the whole, but note that the margin of error in such a prediction could be +- decades.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 10:59:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>progress – regress…</strong><br /><q>Predicting anything related to technology 30 years into the future is optimistic. </q><br />…here’s the new high tech idea for Christchurch – <a href="http://sensingcity.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the sensing city</a><br />and<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/8606956/Idea-to-have-sensors-track-everything-in-city" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">  <em>The Press</em> article</a> and <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/editorials/8611446/Editorial-Sensing-city-just-what-we-need" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">editorial…</a><br />I can see what they are trying to do (though I can find no indication of what…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 08:13:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Predicting anything related to technology 30 years into the future is optimistic. Something that changes the entire dynamic of driving could have considerably faster adoption than just the latest minor conveniences in the next iteration of the BMW. I have never purchased a new car, but a car that could…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 23:09:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Zach Bagnall</title>
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						It's already happening at a driver level since yer average car probably contains a smartphone or satnav with realtime traffic info overlay. Traffic routes around damage.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 22:39:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>My guess is that in 20 years time, cars will all be talking to eachother under the central control of artificial intelligence</q></p><p>You’re optimistic. We’ve been promised something like that for at least the last 20 years. It’ll be probably another decade before we start to even see such cars…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 21:43:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q>We don’t need no steenkin’ rail, says Roughan. Congestion and capacity issues on the roads could be fixed by simply synchronising traffic lights.</q></p><p>Actually I agree with Roughan for once &ndash; well kinda. My guess is that in 20 years time, cars will all be talking to eachother under the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 21:19:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Angus can speak for himself, but I presumed he actually meant west-south</q></p><p><a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-you-can-roughan-but-you-just-cant/?p=285546#post285546" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sayeth Angus</a>: <em>Sans-CRL there could be trains going West-East for much less investment than buying a tunnel. There could be trains running West-South today if the funds were cleared to do so. </em></p><p>So, no, he very definitely…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 18:40:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Angus, the Core Rail Link is not only about the central city &ndash; though it is being incompetently communicated in ways that allow that impression to be spread, so I understand how you may have formed that impression.</p><p>A Transportblog reader has today produced <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/05/01/gerry-brownlee-interviewed-about-transport-issues-in-auckland/#comment-66949" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a pair of diagrams</a> of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 17:31:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>Paying for this plan is going to be objectionable to a majority of people in Auckland, because it is a useless plan for most of us most of the time. It is a plan that is designed to spend money on services that are NOT "convenient, quick, reliable, comfortable and…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 16:49:01 +1200</pubDate>
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						<q>Actually, Angus, it’s a practical impossibility to run trains west-east without the CRL. The switching is already possible through the Parnell yards to have Western Line trains go out east (and vice-versa) instead of through Britomart, but since they’ve already spent nine minutes travelling from Newmarket to the waterfront why…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 16:06:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Katita</title>
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						Brownlee indeed ... I actually had to switch off since his total evasion of <strong>every</strong> question had me frothing at the mouth
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 11:19:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q> Or did I miss the bit where you were anointed Supreme Being of New Zealand?</q></p><p>No, but it is a democracy where I (and a lot of people like me) get a vote.  </p><p>However to find the Supreme Beings of NZ is very simple &ndash; follow the money.  </p><p>The part…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 11:17:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						I have to smile. Gerry on TV3 tonight.  In one breath the gummint is selling the power companies back to us and in another telling Aucklanders that they are not going to pay twice for the roads that are already there.  Say what?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:52:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Sans-CRL there could be trains going West-East for much less investment than buying a tunnel. </q></p><p>Actually, Angus, it’s a practical impossibility to run trains west-east without the CRL. The switching is already possible through the Parnell yards to have Western Line trains go out east (and vice-versa) instead of through…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:33:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>You do not need the CRL to do any of that.</p><p>Sans-CRL there could be trains going West-East for much less investment than buying a tunnel. There could be trains running West-South today if the funds were cleared to do so.</p><p>But the funds are not there, instead they are…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:09:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Patrick Reynolds</title>
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						Angus  you are just exchanging one choke-point [Britomart] for another [Newmarket]. The CRL is critically needed to shift the system limit from 20 trains per hour to upwards of 48 tph. The CRL takes load off Newmarket as well as Britomart by enabling all western line trains to go direct…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:36:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Millar</title>
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						Services going West-East would be useless to the majority of users if you had to bypass the CBD and go through Newmarket-Strand-Eastern line, which is the only way you could do it without the CRL. The CBD has the highest concentration of jobs in NZ, plus tens of thousands of…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:55:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>You do not need the CRL to do any of that.  </p><p>Sans-CRL there could be trains going West-East for much less investment than buying a tunnel.  There could be trains running West-South today if the funds were cleared to do so.  </p><p>But the funds are not there, instead they are…</p>
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				<title>James Millar</title>
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						<p><q>But this plan is to spend the vast majority of funds on getting people to and from the CBD.</q></p><p>Actually the CRL will be of huge benefit to people who don't work in the CBD. The CRL turns our train network into a true 'network', rather than just 4 lines…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>Depends on how well the proposed plan is able to create:</p><p><q>...convenient, quick, reliable, comfortable and affordable public transport options...</q></p><p>..for everyone.  But this plan is to spend the vast majority of funds on getting people to and from the CBD.  </p><p>If people, like me, do not work in the…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>He has never used public transport in Auckland until he went to the Rugby World Cup by train and he was quite shocked at how he got from the Britomart to Kingsland quite quickly… but he still didn’t like it. had to mix with real people….</q></p><p>So in other words,…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t that contradict the first paragraph I’ve just quoted?</q></p><p>Yes. Yes it does.</p>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<p>Another confused editorial from the Herald this morning.</p><p>Firstly it says:</p><blockquote><p>Some may benefit from better public transport, but many would gain little or no direct or indirect advantage.</p></blockquote><p>and the a couple of paragraphs later:</p><blockquote><p>Virtually overnight, there would be less road congestion. Equally, to cater for those induced…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Lou</title>
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						He has never used public transport in Auckland until he went to the Rugby World Cup by train and he was quite shocked at how he got from the Britomart to Kingsland quite quickly... but he still didn't like it. had to mix with real people....
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						I am, as a citizen, increasingly heartened by the increasing availability of good quality information for making one's own comparisons with. So, for example, when the government announces it is getting tough on benefit fraud one can pull the comparison figures on the size of tax fraud and compare the…
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				<title>Rodney Hide</title>
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						<p>Sacha</p><p>Thank you.  That's why I am so dismayed.  The Ombudsman has already made it very clear that the spreadsheets must be provided with his involvement in the Auckland CBD Rail Link Business Case (2010).  The exact same situation now applies to the City Centre Future Access Study (2012).  Auckland…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<q>We are a little lucky we don't have the log rolling and the pork barreling on the scale of the USA. But on the downside being small we tend just to accept weighty reports rather than have them torn to shreds and put back together to see what's driving the…</q>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I figure the Ombudsman is so backlogged it would be months before they would get to it which I guess is what government departments and local councils are now banking on.</q></p><p>Sometimes letting the agencies know that you know the rules is enough to induce a response. I wonder in…</p>
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				<title>Rodney Hide</title>
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						Thanks for that link Sacha.  My next step is to write to the Board Chair Lester Levy who came to the position promising greater transparency.  I figure the Ombudsman is so backlogged it would be months before they would get to it which I guess is what government departments and…
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						<p>So, in that vein, where's the Treasury analysis on the Roads of National Significance, specifically Puhoi-Wellsford and Transmission Gully?</p><p>In the case of the former, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gravina Island Bridge</a> (championed by Alaska Republicans), and Japan's <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/21/us-japan-construction-idUSBRE91K1BM20130221" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Roads to Nowhere</a> (with close ties to the…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Idiot/Savant explains concisely how the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act <a href="http://www.norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/auckland-transport-does-not-understand.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">applies here</a>.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:37:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rodney Hide</title>
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						<p>Hi Matthew</p><p>I think the wider point of whether the OpEx of private cars and trucks should be included is best addressed to Auckland Transport.  I am just working from their assumptions and their spreadsheets.</p><p>However, they do cost the operating cost per train ($2.1m) for the first 24 trains.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:36:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I again appreciate your support for their release.</q></p><p>And I really appreciate your constructive engagement Rodney, especially given that I was a bit tart about your column.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>they either accounted for the operating cost of the second purchase of 26 trains or they didn’t. It turns out they didn’t.</q></p><p>Rodney, we don't budget in the OpEx for additional cars and trucks to make use of the new tarmac when we build or expand a motorway &ndash; and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:06:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rodney Hide</title>
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						<p>Hi Russell</p><p>Than you for your logical and consistent support for Auckland Transport to release the spreadsheet and their model output reports to me.</p><p>The controversy in setting Auckland Transport up was over whether it should be a CCO or a department within the Council.  I am not sure it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:00:20 +1200</pubDate>
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						Oh they must have edited it. Still in the audio they broadcast, including <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2553353/govt-largely-rejects-latest-auckland-transport-funding-options" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">latest story</a> (5 mins, audio options).
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:47:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						I meant the words that <em>I</em> italicised are missing from the report on the far end of your link.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I’m sure there’s plenty of other spots that will get potentially nightmarish as well as centres often near rail build up, at the same time and train frequency increases.</p><p>I’m sure the transport planners have thought of all this though. I have faith in them a damn sight more than…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:39:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Right there with ya’. At least people still seem to remember John Banks’s, ‘Britomart will be a white elephant’ quote, though that didn’t stop Aucklanders voting him in again for another round of, ‘say no to everything’. </q></p><p>The Banks thing was hilarious. He not only changed his mind once he'd…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:33:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I never saw it in italics.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee, <em>who hasn’t read the report</em></q></p><p>Italicised words not in the article as it now shows. Your editing, or theirs?</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>......but the roads and rail need to work together, not ending up with one winning over the other, or being counter productive.</q></p><p>And that goes to the root(ed) national transport policy of this country (along with the power shimozzle). The road and rail are two corridors, run by different groups…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:14:15 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Brownlee has not read the Auckland transport funding options report but <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/133764/govt-%27would-veto%27-fuel-tax,-road-tolls-for-auckland" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">says no, regardless</a>.</p><p><q>Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee, who hasn't read the report, said a regional fuel tax, congestion charges and a road tolls as they stand would never be agreed to.</p><p>Mr Brownlee said New Zealanders won't be paying…</q></p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						They are the opposition (or writers closely associated with) and to oppose something politically means pointing out all the things the governing party does are horrible.
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				<title>Konrad Kurta</title>
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						<p><q>I’d like to see these statements collated after the event, and those who’ve made such statements confronted with them. I have the impression that some people get a lot of publicity for statements about any upcoming change, and that their predictions are mostly wrong.</q></p><p>Right there with ya'. At least…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:09:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Trams can be injurious to your health <br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/local-blogs/tales-from-the-crypt/8581333/Tram-crash-horrific" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> In 1903 a runway tram killed 3 people in Auck</a> .<br />No more double decked trams after that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:21:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Transport Blog has another useful consideration of <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/04/29/misinformation-continues-about-the-crl/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Core Rail Link facts</a> in light of the recent burst of newspaper commentary and last week's well-intentioned Campbell Live story (promoted as 'who should pay' for the CRL).</p><p>Some of us have been asking for many moons for the civic bodies responsible for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:17:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Auckland started as ... maybe a tram city</q><br />No "maybe" about it. In 1953, based largely on the tram network, Auckland had around 110m public transport trips off a population less than a quarter of current. We still haven't recovered to those numbers after decades of automobile-centric sprawl and festivals…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder what Auckland did before cars were invented</q></p><p>Complained an awful lot about horse shit in the streets, hooning cart drivers and the moral menace of women dispensing with the side saddle. <em>Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose</em>. :)</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>For some reason Govts are afraid of a powerful united Auckland</q></p><p>Dealing with another civic body of more similar scale requires maturity. </p><p>This is a mark of how the politicians and backroom operators see their capacity for that. Given some of their other behaviour, maybe it's realistic to be scared…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:43:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>Trains tend to be publicly owned while buses tend to be privately owned. Therefore…ideologically…National and ACT can be relied upon to support the private solution. </p><p>Never mind doesn’t work and won’t scale. Outcomes don’t matter to the faithful. The believing is all that matters. </p><p>A thousand buses / hour into…</p>
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				<title>Tristan</title>
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						<p><q> Auckland is a car city and always will be. </q></p><p>Also what a moronic thing to say..</p><p>I wonder what Auckland did before cars were invented, people must have just sat down in grids of four and wondered what they were missing..</p><p>Auckland started as a waka city, then a horse…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:46:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tristan</title>
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						<p>anyone who comes along fanshaw st in the morning will know you can almost walk form the Air New Zealand building to the tepid baths by stepping from bus to bus now.</p><p>The CBD bus terminal must already be at capacity because Birkenhead buses are forced to turn right at…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						With Len Brown as Cosimo?? Ya gotta larf!
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:17:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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						<p>I guess the Auckland transport issue is something that's mostly for Auckland people to discuss and deal with. (I acknowledge that, since money will need to come from the national coffers, it's reasonable to have some input from everyone.)</p><p>But the thing that resonated with me about this post was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:08:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q>For some reason Govts are afraid of a powerful united Auckland</q></p><p>They are afraid of Auckland becoming a City State like those who ruled Europe for centuries.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Auckland Transport considers itself within the law, of course</q></p><p>Fair point &ndash; and it would be *cough* legally prudent not to suggest anything else, but I do think it's fair comment (and honest opinion) to suggest a disturbingly large number of cases that come to the Office of the Ombudsmen…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:25:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>He’d go to the Ombudsman, because it is an open and shut case. The ombudsman has ruled in the past that agencies must provide information in the format it is requested in, unless it would be contrary to the interests protected by the Act, contrary to a legal duty, or…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:20:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:19:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						<p>Not wanting to hijack the thread, but something is puzzling me about the Nats strategy here. With Auckland being a major chunk of seats in parliament, and a major chunk of the party vote, it seems cognitively dissonant to alienate that large a chunk of votes. <br />For some reason Govts…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:19:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>This isn’t the place for this and I’m not going to sacrifice the disc with ussion to the policing of a vernacular we all, you included, use.</q></p><p>That's a fair call, because I'm still entirely capable of opening my mouth, disengaging my brain and showing my arse with unedifying regularity.…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<q>Hide has had similar problems getting access to the spreadsheets underpinning the 2012 City Centre Future Access Study. Even if he pays the $3850 demanded by Auckland Transport, their position is that they will only send him the printed output. If I ask the question "What would Keith Ng do?"…</q>
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						<p><q>No, Russell, it’s not “pretty basic democracy” it’s OBEYING THE LAW. If Auckland Transport officials don’t like the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act, they should make the case for amending it so potential political inconvenience/embarrassment becomes grounds for declining an OIA request. </q></p><p>Auckland Transport considers itself within the…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						The thing about Roughan and Hide (and David Farrar for that matter) is that for some bizarre reason they see trains not as part of a multi-layered transport solution for a growing city but as some sort of thin edge of a bright red socialist wedge. While we see the…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Hey, Sasha, ableist mental-health shaming? Really? Dude, you know better than that so do better.</q></p><p>This isn't the place for this and I'm not going to sacrifice the discussion to the policing of a vernacular we all, you included, use.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Even if Auckland Transport officials feel that their provision of the data in this form would only lead to faulty analysis, they should provide it on reasonable terms. It’s pretty basic democracy.</q></p><p>No, Russell, it’s not “pretty basic democracy” it’s <strong>OBEYING THE LAW</strong>. If Auckland Transport officials don’t like the…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I really think that Rodney's Grand Plan to rule Auckland via JohnBanks turned to custard when Red Len won the mayoralty. And they have all sucked the kumara since.</q></p><p>Classic case of sour grapes on Hide's part, especially since he's no longer in a position to potentially do a Greater…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>It's frustrating how "mode oriented" public transport debates often are. Buses, trains, ferries and even trams all do different things and it's almost certain we need all of them to complement each other and create a world class PT system for Auckland.</q></p><p>Yup, it's like there's no such thing as…</p>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p><q>He even found the rial network, a hitherto unknown resource, well some level crossings anyway. These need sorting out, cars get held up by them.</q></p><p>I'm all for trains, and buses but reading that reminded me of the rail crossing at Henderson along Railside Ave.  It's quite common for the…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t think I’ve ever read a columnist as willfully and consistently wrong as John Roughan. His shameless dedication to the art of venal, disingenuous, bullshitting really is something to behold.</q></p><p>I think it's important to have commentators who aren't afraid to to be wrong, in that they're willing to…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>Oh where would we be without Aunty John.</p><p>Report</q><br />As a registered great aunt (in all kinds of ways) would you kindly kick the sexism bit and call John Roughan for what he truly is &ndash; a fusty old uncle-</p>
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				<title>Robert Fox</title>
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						I don't think I've ever read a columnist as willfully and consistently wrong as John Roughan. His shameless dedication to the art of venal, disingenuous, bullshitting really is something to behold.
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						This century or the 19th?
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				<title>Ethan Tucker</title>
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						<p>Brent Toderian, president of the Council for Canadian Urbanism, in the Seattle Times, 14 April:</p><p><q>Car-dependent transportation models create self-fulfilling prophecies of gridlock by pushing land uses apart and densities down, leading to communities that are unwalkable and not viable for transit.</p><p>A car-centric model forces people into their cars…</q></p>
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				<title>Patrick Reynolds</title>
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						Roughan will always be last to anything good this century; he is cheerfully still living in the middle of the last one somehow. It's an extraordinary achievement, and one carried out with no apparent self awareness. He holds on to retrograde views on everything then sort of seamlessly upgrades to…
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>It's frustrating how "mode oriented" public transport debates often are. Buses, trains, ferries and even trams all do different things and it's almost certain we need all of them to complement each other and create a world class PT system for Auckland.</p><p>Take a look at somewhere like Vancouver. It…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						I really think that Rodney's Grand Plan to rule Auckland via JohnBanks turned to custard when Red Len won the mayoralty. And they have all sucked the kumara since.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Hide and other neolib loonies are desperate to promote buses as an alternative to the Core Rail Link (which would only get the most out of the region's rail network in conjunction with a major bus route redesign coming soon &ndash; it's not an either/or proposition). </p><p>Doesn't it sound awfully…</p>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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